[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable.
Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.
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Not to burst your bubble or anything, but 90% of all discussion and practice is, by your definition, a waste of precious time.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ravenetta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i do. i also believe there have been civilization...hard to explain but youd think im crazy
i think its annoying to have ppl preach fake shit like this...
http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
its sad but hilarious. these people....i tell ya.[/QUOTE]
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Like our old mate Roger I believe religion does fuck people up.
i think its annoying to have ppl preach fake shit like this...
http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
its sad but hilarious. these people....i tell ya.[/QUOTE]
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Like our old mate Roger I believe religion does fuck people up.
This is turning into one of my Moral Philosophy seminars.........sigh...
And i thought it was the Christmas holidays...
And i thought it was the Christmas holidays...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haystacks Calhoun wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Perhaps God created Evolution???
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That is a great sentence even though I am a devout, born-again Atheist.
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That is a great sentence even though I am a devout, born-again Atheist.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable.
Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.
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Not to burst your bubble or anything, but 90% of all discussion and practice is, by your definition, a waste of precious time.[/QUOTE]
And that's what concerns me deeply. I stand by what I said. I can't believe that we, the intelligent species we are, often have nothing better to do than worry about metaphysical things and ideas that will never be proven. Every minute wasted talking intelligent design, or selfishily focusing on one's "personal salvation", is a minute not spent doing something that actually may make a difference. I won't be bothered to make a list of what those things could be in this needy world of ours. Anyone who is aware should know.
Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.
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Not to burst your bubble or anything, but 90% of all discussion and practice is, by your definition, a waste of precious time.[/QUOTE]
And that's what concerns me deeply. I stand by what I said. I can't believe that we, the intelligent species we are, often have nothing better to do than worry about metaphysical things and ideas that will never be proven. Every minute wasted talking intelligent design, or selfishily focusing on one's "personal salvation", is a minute not spent doing something that actually may make a difference. I won't be bothered to make a list of what those things could be in this needy world of ours. Anyone who is aware should know.
Come on, we all know evolution is real (or atleast should know). Things change over time, there's numerous cases of species changing within even the last couple of hundred years. I remember reading about a species of particular group of bats which suddenly had no set of predators and lived in a dark cave who lost their site completely because it wasn't needed. There's other cases which I can't draw from the top of my head but that should definitely make anyone think twice about dismissing evolution. Evolution is just those environmental changes over a very long period of time. I don't see how anyone can seriously listen to a-holes pitting religion against evolution because one thing has very little to do with the other. Who's to say a God didn't create things to evolve.
It seems to me that bible thumpers are so insecure about the validity of their fate that they attack all science without sitting down to think about how it could relate to their religion.
It seems to me that bible thumpers are so insecure about the validity of their fate that they attack all science without sitting down to think about how it could relate to their religion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ibanez122 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable.
Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.
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I'm having triple thoughts of what I originally posted.
Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.
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well said![/QUOTE]
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I'm having triple thoughts of what I originally posted.
If anyone needs proof of evolution, just look at the George Forman grill and its endless spin-offs.
I believe in evolution. Creation just makes absolutely no sense to me...there's too many holes in it as a theory.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kdj2hot wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It seems to me that bible thumpers are so insecure about the validity of their fate that they attack all science without sitting down to think about how it could relate to their religion.[/QUOTE]
You're looking at it far too deeply. Here's the situation:
They believe the bible was written by an invisible man in the sky, who has the final word on everything past, present, and future. Anyone or anything that negates this "last word" must go. And they believe that if they themselves question this "eternal truth", then they will go to a place of burning after they die. If they accept this "truth", they will go to a happy place after they die, and they will meet everyone who agreed with them. People like Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama will not join them.
Kind of sounds like a fairy tale to me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm having triple thoughts of what I originally posted.[/QUOTE]
Don't leave us in suspense now!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gunpowder Gelatine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I believe in evolution. Creation just makes absolutely no sense to me...there's too many holes in it as a theory.[/QUOTE]
But it is still a valid theory, from a philosophical perspective. Anything is welcome in the field of philosophy until it can be proven to be false. That's the beauty of philosophy. It only gets out of hand when people use philosophies (i.e. religion) to impede on the progress of the scientific world, discriminate against others, etc. But back to the subject at hand - intelligent design certainly cannot be entertained as a science. I hope that this and subsequent generations of kids all grow up to see this distinction between science and non-science.
You're looking at it far too deeply. Here's the situation:
They believe the bible was written by an invisible man in the sky, who has the final word on everything past, present, and future. Anyone or anything that negates this "last word" must go. And they believe that if they themselves question this "eternal truth", then they will go to a place of burning after they die. If they accept this "truth", they will go to a happy place after they die, and they will meet everyone who agreed with them. People like Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama will not join them.
Kind of sounds like a fairy tale to me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm having triple thoughts of what I originally posted.[/QUOTE]
Don't leave us in suspense now!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gunpowder Gelatine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I believe in evolution. Creation just makes absolutely no sense to me...there's too many holes in it as a theory.[/QUOTE]
But it is still a valid theory, from a philosophical perspective. Anything is welcome in the field of philosophy until it can be proven to be false. That's the beauty of philosophy. It only gets out of hand when people use philosophies (i.e. religion) to impede on the progress of the scientific world, discriminate against others, etc. But back to the subject at hand - intelligent design certainly cannot be entertained as a science. I hope that this and subsequent generations of kids all grow up to see this distinction between science and non-science.
there have been many debates in our chapel services between the Rev. and a very passionate science teacher of ours about this. our school teaches both because we're an Anglican school, however, it is clearly obvious that none of our science teachers are fully Christian... we kind of skipped creationism "accidentally", and spent alot of time on evolutionism. However, i quit biology, so i no longer give a crap. (note: im clearly not Christian in any shape or form)
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