[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The USA wished to keep out of the war, in order to profit from the economic chances offered by two large developed powers fighting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Of course, the US did semi-secretly back the allies, but this was for a large part done as a brilliant diplomatic move rather than an idealist one.[/QUOTE]
You can't have your Kate and Edith, too. Stop trying to simplify US history to support your own political beliefs.
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Why, history is always very clear, black and white, now, isn't it? ^-^
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It's a sign of democracy to be critical of our own cultures and governments, but people who live in the West and do nothing but criticize our own policies and almost justify the atrocious killings and repressions done elsewhere are ridiculous. It's funny to see how on these boards, and elsewhere too, people like Thomas will spend hours to speak against their own culture, and say very few words of disgust, if any, about things like terrorist attacks, the condition of women in Arab and certain African nations, the use of human shilds done by cetain dictators, and tons of other crimes they don't seem to care much about.
Wake up! The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation. That in itself is a gift unfortunately not everybody in the world is granted. Be grateful!! Be critical but also grateful...
Wake up! The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation. That in itself is a gift unfortunately not everybody in the world is granted. Be grateful!! Be critical but also grateful...
"The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation."
The only reason why people from countries like Russia or China can express our hatred toward the US so freely is not because the US is a free nation, but because of the other reasons. These reasons also helped my country to not be bombed by USA (with bringing democracy purposes of course)...
Do you really think that USSR vs USA cold war was because we were communistic country? It was because we could do whatever we wanted to do and don't ask the USA permission as a lot of countries are doing now. And USA could do anything without our permission. But we both always remember - there's an equal enemy, who as strong as you are, it was a natural barrier to not do nonsense things on this planet.
It was the only one real reason of the cold war. Two super-powers. Third Newton's law in action. We need in multipolar world. IMHO.
The only reason why people from countries like Russia or China can express our hatred toward the US so freely is not because the US is a free nation, but because of the other reasons. These reasons also helped my country to not be bombed by USA (with bringing democracy purposes of course)...
Do you really think that USSR vs USA cold war was because we were communistic country? It was because we could do whatever we wanted to do and don't ask the USA permission as a lot of countries are doing now. And USA could do anything without our permission. But we both always remember - there's an equal enemy, who as strong as you are, it was a natural barrier to not do nonsense things on this planet.
It was the only one real reason of the cold war. Two super-powers. Third Newton's law in action. We need in multipolar world. IMHO.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation."
The only reason why people from countries like Russia or China can express our hatred toward the US so freely is not because the US is a free nation, but because of the other reasons. These reasons also helped my country to not be bombed by USA (with bringing democracy purposes of course)...
Do you really think that USSR vs USA cold war was because we were communistic country? It was because we could do whatever we wanted to do and don't ask the USA permission as a lot of countries are doing now. And USA could do anything without our permission. But we both always remember - there's an equal enemy, who as strong as you are, it was a natural barrier to not do nonsense things on this planet.
It was the only one real reason of the cold war. Two super-powers. Third Newton's law in action. We need in multipolar world. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
yes. I agree completely. Is it me, or Orwell's vision in 1984 is as real as the cold outside?
The only reason why people from countries like Russia or China can express our hatred toward the US so freely is not because the US is a free nation, but because of the other reasons. These reasons also helped my country to not be bombed by USA (with bringing democracy purposes of course)...
Do you really think that USSR vs USA cold war was because we were communistic country? It was because we could do whatever we wanted to do and don't ask the USA permission as a lot of countries are doing now. And USA could do anything without our permission. But we both always remember - there's an equal enemy, who as strong as you are, it was a natural barrier to not do nonsense things on this planet.
It was the only one real reason of the cold war. Two super-powers. Third Newton's law in action. We need in multipolar world. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
yes. I agree completely. Is it me, or Orwell's vision in 1984 is as real as the cold outside?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Wake up! The only reason why you can express your hatred toward the US so freely is because the US is a free nation. That in itself is a gift unfortunately not everybody in the world is granted. Be grateful!! Be critical but also grateful...
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Well, there are many nations in the west that have as much freedom as the U.S. but for some reason they're not as hated as us. The truth is that thanks to all the assholes at the CIA who are constantly meddling into the affairs of other nations, American citizens have to pay the high price for the rest of the world being pissed off at us.
Just take a look at who once was a close buddy of ours...
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2003/02/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
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Well, there are many nations in the west that have as much freedom as the U.S. but for some reason they're not as hated as us. The truth is that thanks to all the assholes at the CIA who are constantly meddling into the affairs of other nations, American citizens have to pay the high price for the rest of the world being pissed off at us.
Just take a look at who once was a close buddy of ours...
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2003/02/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
Since someone quoted Horwell, ever read "The Animal Farm"? Animals rebel against brutal humans. Then the pigs, the strongest among the animals, in the end become as brutal as the humans once were, against the weaker animals.
No country, no people is so good that they wouldn't do what the US is doing...They simply aren't able to! And so, they become envious. Like Israel and Palestine. The former is a thriving nation, the latter is a desert. So the former hates the latter much more than the latter hates the former.
But try speaking out against your government in China, dear Serry. You know what happens? It's the title of this thread....You get killed, or you're taken to jail in an unknown place away from your families forever. If the US or other Western countries did that, half of their citizens would be executed LOL.
Elections are approaching in Italy and my mailbox is always full of spam messages sent by Leftists with jokes on our Prime Minister, often even offensive since they clearly state that those who vote for him are idiots. Could they do this in China??? Obviously not, since the internet is controlled by the Government there.
So no matter what faults the US and Europe have, comparing them to regimes of any kind is absurd, ridiculous, silly and, allow me, ofensive. I feel it is ofensive toward the people who live under these regimes. It's as if I was complaining to a child starving in a poor African country that I have no chocolate in my cupboard today.
No country, no people is so good that they wouldn't do what the US is doing...They simply aren't able to! And so, they become envious. Like Israel and Palestine. The former is a thriving nation, the latter is a desert. So the former hates the latter much more than the latter hates the former.
But try speaking out against your government in China, dear Serry. You know what happens? It's the title of this thread....You get killed, or you're taken to jail in an unknown place away from your families forever. If the US or other Western countries did that, half of their citizens would be executed LOL.
Elections are approaching in Italy and my mailbox is always full of spam messages sent by Leftists with jokes on our Prime Minister, often even offensive since they clearly state that those who vote for him are idiots. Could they do this in China??? Obviously not, since the internet is controlled by the Government there.
So no matter what faults the US and Europe have, comparing them to regimes of any kind is absurd, ridiculous, silly and, allow me, ofensive. I feel it is ofensive toward the people who live under these regimes. It's as if I was complaining to a child starving in a poor African country that I have no chocolate in my cupboard today.
Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.?
My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc..
Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.
My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc..
Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.
Horwell?
Anyways... Animal Farm would be relevant too, but my point was about 1984, and the political situation there.
Anyways... Animal Farm would be relevant too, but my point was about 1984, and the political situation there.
"But try speaking out against your government in China, dear Serry. You know what happens? It's the title of this thread....You get killed, or you're taken to jail in an unknown place away from your families forever."
Do I have to repeat why Charlie Chaplin left the USA? Do I have to repeat where "McCarthyism" was? Do I have to say where africans couldn't be near white men in the buses? Please, don't rewrite history of USA!
Why do they need to speak against their government? Why? It's a myth that people in USSR, China hated their governments! Why do you think that people need in the Internet there? Why do you try to copy your politic system, your kind of "good life" etc. on other countries? I was happy with my girlfriend living in small flat without PC and TV set few years ago, now I have PC, TV set, the Internet and my flat is larger than it was before - am I happy? No.
"Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.? My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc.."
Envious of what? Of being most hated country on the Earth? I don't think that most of Americans enjoying by that... I remember what Brian wrote about it in his soapbox, he wasn't pleased with the fact that people hates USA and UK because of their governments' decision to bomb Iraq. And people don't piss off on Iran or China, because they have no reasons.
I have nothing against USA and I respect USA - it's still young country (comparing to many others) and it's most powerful country, they can be proud of themselves, but this "anything what they're doing is right and great, anyone who doesn't agree - is an enemy of democracy" pisses me off.
Do I have to repeat why Charlie Chaplin left the USA? Do I have to repeat where "McCarthyism" was? Do I have to say where africans couldn't be near white men in the buses? Please, don't rewrite history of USA!
Why do they need to speak against their government? Why? It's a myth that people in USSR, China hated their governments! Why do you think that people need in the Internet there? Why do you try to copy your politic system, your kind of "good life" etc. on other countries? I was happy with my girlfriend living in small flat without PC and TV set few years ago, now I have PC, TV set, the Internet and my flat is larger than it was before - am I happy? No.
"Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.? My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc.."
Envious of what? Of being most hated country on the Earth? I don't think that most of Americans enjoying by that... I remember what Brian wrote about it in his soapbox, he wasn't pleased with the fact that people hates USA and UK because of their governments' decision to bomb Iraq. And people don't piss off on Iran or China, because they have no reasons.
I have nothing against USA and I respect USA - it's still young country (comparing to many others) and it's most powerful country, they can be proud of themselves, but this "anything what they're doing is right and great, anyone who doesn't agree - is an enemy of democracy" pisses me off.
I don't have a problem with people burning George W. Bush dummies, but I do have a problem with people burning American flags.
You can't hate 300 million because of the actions of a dozen fuckin' morons in our government.
You can't hate 300 million because of the actions of a dozen fuckin' morons in our government.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.?
My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc..
Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.
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However, criticism for the west is highly limited.[/QUOTE]
Why must you always disguise your misguided opinions as fact?? "Criticism for the west" is NOT limited. It is extremely trendy right now for the rest of the world to express their disdain for the U.S. Just read the post below yours by Serry, he calls the U.S. the most hated nation in the world. Now, how can it be the most hated nation in the world if it suffers no criticism?
My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc..
Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.
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However, criticism for the west is highly limited.[/QUOTE]
Why must you always disguise your misguided opinions as fact?? "Criticism for the west" is NOT limited. It is extremely trendy right now for the rest of the world to express their disdain for the U.S. Just read the post below yours by Serry, he calls the U.S. the most hated nation in the world. Now, how can it be the most hated nation in the world if it suffers no criticism?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fairy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why is the world so pissed off at the US and not at China, Iran, etc.?
My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc..
Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.
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It doesn't? Ah, that explains why so many people who speak out against the western regimes are threatened with deportation (examples include, but are not limited to, Imams and critical foreigners).
As for not speaking out against e.g. Iran; there are plenty of people doing that already, I don't need to waste my breath on that. However, criticism for the west is highly limited. Westeners have the unpleasant tendency to measure perfection as how closely something approaches THEIR culture. Which is not just naïve, but highly dangerous as well, as it has led in the past, and will lead in the future, to many instances of the west forcing their 'superior' culture onto others (see: the colonial era, for instance).[/QUOTE]
So...how do you make the 'i' in 'naive' like that anyway?
My answer is that they are envous of the US....and they're not envious of China, Iran etc..
Also, better keep quiet and not speak out against dangerous regimes. Insulting the US does not imply any danger. Besides, it is fashionable.
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It doesn't? Ah, that explains why so many people who speak out against the western regimes are threatened with deportation (examples include, but are not limited to, Imams and critical foreigners).
As for not speaking out against e.g. Iran; there are plenty of people doing that already, I don't need to waste my breath on that. However, criticism for the west is highly limited. Westeners have the unpleasant tendency to measure perfection as how closely something approaches THEIR culture. Which is not just naïve, but highly dangerous as well, as it has led in the past, and will lead in the future, to many instances of the west forcing their 'superior' culture onto others (see: the colonial era, for instance).[/QUOTE]
So...how do you make the 'i' in 'naive' like that anyway?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The second is rather difficult with the US, seeing as they threaten to bomb your country if you don't do as they say [/QUOTE]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=hyperbole
The second is rather difficult with the US, seeing as they threaten to bomb your country if you don't do as they say [/QUOTE]
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=hyperbole
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I really want to know how to make that 'i' with the two dots.