[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]stateside fan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]oh piss off you twit.[/QUOTE]
Ok I'll get right on that...
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jcrawford79 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think the lighting rig is pretty impressive.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I was very impressed...
I agree, I was very impressed...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]knebworth wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Put it another way.
One single varilight costs £1000
One single Par56 cost £50
you do the math
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i am absolutely sure that the stuff is rented.
but anyway... i like the lightshow a lot. simple and great. [/QUOTE]
Of course the gear is rented, well hired to be accurate, however the cost in percentage terms is the same, it is much more expensive the hire varilights than standard Par cans.
I was just using the value of the equipment to purchase as an example. the fact remains that to build a big rig these days is several times the price of the old days due to the technology.
That being said I understand the thread starters point, and I think Queen made a decision to produce a smaller less extravigant show this time out. It makes the point this is not the same as before, we are now Q+PR which is a different animal, they treat the songs in a different way and hence the show too.
Now as we know some here seem to rant about the fact they have changed, but frankly they our just kids that can't get their heads around the fact that as you grow you have to change and evolve.
These people display a basic ignorance and clearly don't have any concept of what it's like to be a musician. but I digress.
One single varilight costs £1000
One single Par56 cost £50
you do the math
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i am absolutely sure that the stuff is rented.
but anyway... i like the lightshow a lot. simple and great. [/QUOTE]
Of course the gear is rented, well hired to be accurate, however the cost in percentage terms is the same, it is much more expensive the hire varilights than standard Par cans.
I was just using the value of the equipment to purchase as an example. the fact remains that to build a big rig these days is several times the price of the old days due to the technology.
That being said I understand the thread starters point, and I think Queen made a decision to produce a smaller less extravigant show this time out. It makes the point this is not the same as before, we are now Q+PR which is a different animal, they treat the songs in a different way and hence the show too.
Now as we know some here seem to rant about the fact they have changed, but frankly they our just kids that can't get their heads around the fact that as you grow you have to change and evolve.
These people display a basic ignorance and clearly don't have any concept of what it's like to be a musician. but I digress.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]knebworth wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Put it another way.
One single varilight costs £1000
One single Par56 cost £50
you do the math
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i am absolutely sure that the stuff is rented.
but anyway... i like the lightshow a lot. simple and great. [/QUOTE]
Of course the gear is rented, well hired to be accurate, however the cost in percentage terms is the same, it is much more expensive the hire varilights than standard Par cans.
I was just using the value of the equipment to purchase as an example. the fact remains that to build a big rig these days is several times the price of the old days due to the technology.
That being said I understand the thread starters point, and I think Queen made a decision to produce a smaller less extravigant show this time out. It makes the point this is not the same as before, we are now Q+PR which is a different animal, they treat the songs in a different way and hence the show too.
Now as we know some here seem to rant about the fact they have changed, but frankly they our just kids that can't get their heads around the fact that as you grow you have to change and evolve.
These people display a basic ignorance and clearly don't have any concept of what it's like to be a musician. but I digress.[/QUOTE]
"Now as we know some here seem to rant about the fact they have changed, but frankly they our just kids that can't get their heads around the fact that as you grow you have to change and evolve."
I agree with you completely.
One single varilight costs £1000
One single Par56 cost £50
you do the math
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i am absolutely sure that the stuff is rented.
but anyway... i like the lightshow a lot. simple and great. [/QUOTE]
Of course the gear is rented, well hired to be accurate, however the cost in percentage terms is the same, it is much more expensive the hire varilights than standard Par cans.
I was just using the value of the equipment to purchase as an example. the fact remains that to build a big rig these days is several times the price of the old days due to the technology.
That being said I understand the thread starters point, and I think Queen made a decision to produce a smaller less extravigant show this time out. It makes the point this is not the same as before, we are now Q+PR which is a different animal, they treat the songs in a different way and hence the show too.
Now as we know some here seem to rant about the fact they have changed, but frankly they our just kids that can't get their heads around the fact that as you grow you have to change and evolve.
These people display a basic ignorance and clearly don't have any concept of what it's like to be a musician. but I digress.[/QUOTE]
"Now as we know some here seem to rant about the fact they have changed, but frankly they our just kids that can't get their heads around the fact that as you grow you have to change and evolve."
I agree with you completely.
hmmm, i agree with stateside in a way, it isnt nearly as big a show as it used to be, but then again the biggest showman isnt there so....
when i went to see them it wasnt that they werent good, they were i guess, it was just, i thought, they lacked a freshness, the lights were just there and i dont think added anything, and the show was more akin to karaoke really. it was all a little self congratulatory. BUT i looked around and everyone was having a great time, lots of smiles and clapping and that ultimately is the barometer. you and i stateside can complain forever but them selling out everywhere tells its own story
when i went to see them it wasnt that they werent good, they were i guess, it was just, i thought, they lacked a freshness, the lights were just there and i dont think added anything, and the show was more akin to karaoke really. it was all a little self congratulatory. BUT i looked around and everyone was having a great time, lots of smiles and clapping and that ultimately is the barometer. you and i stateside can complain forever but them selling out everywhere tells its own story
I think there are also two other points here, firstly when they designed the rig they were really just considering one or two dates, not a whole tour worldwide as they didn't know how well they would go down and if fans still wanted to see they.
And secondly, I think they also made a decision to not try to copy the old days too much, as this was the start of something new.
Who knows, now they have established they there is indeed a huge Q+PR market they might do things differently next time around!
And secondly, I think they also made a decision to not try to copy the old days too much, as this was the start of something new.
Who knows, now they have established they there is indeed a huge Q+PR market they might do things differently next time around!
togg its always great to see what you have to offer and we appreciate your expertise on this subject.perhaps a few new wrinkles for 2006 are in the works.
G2000 you are probably right.maybe this glass is half full.
light show during Last Horizon was amazing, especially the mirror ball, but I keep wondering -- where are the clouds of dry ice & flashpots?
Well I can tell you that there is no shortage of smoke going around.
I played a gig with my band recently, I usually have a smoke machine under the kit at the back, during the point when it was meant to go off, nothing seemed to be happening, so I kept going whilst trying to set the thing off.
About three or four mins later there was a loud pop from under my seat and more smoke came out that I have ever seen, I spent the next ten mins trying to play through thick fog, the rest of the band were trying not to fall into eachother on stage or even off stage for that matter. Eventually it cleared and I have now purchased another machine.
Anyone know how to repair a defective smoke machine?
I played a gig with my band recently, I usually have a smoke machine under the kit at the back, during the point when it was meant to go off, nothing seemed to be happening, so I kept going whilst trying to set the thing off.
About three or four mins later there was a loud pop from under my seat and more smoke came out that I have ever seen, I spent the next ten mins trying to play through thick fog, the rest of the band were trying not to fall into eachother on stage or even off stage for that matter. Eventually it cleared and I have now purchased another machine.
Anyone know how to repair a defective smoke machine?
"Brian has said there are no gimmicks this time-but isnt that what we love?The over the top experience of a Queen show"
Queen never used gimmicks on stage. The only thing they don't do now what they did when they were with Freddie are pyro and dry ice.
Queen never used gimmicks on stage. The only thing they don't do now what they did when they were with Freddie are pyro and dry ice.
No major band uses single gel lights anymore...they're so old and tacky.
And...what lighting effects could anyone do these days that would blow previous attempts out of the water? It seems bands like Queen and Pink Floyd (both innovators in concert lighting) both realize that they reached the zenith of lighting technology, and now the only thing to do is scale it back and make it more intimate.
And...what lighting effects could anyone do these days that would blow previous attempts out of the water? It seems bands like Queen and Pink Floyd (both innovators in concert lighting) both realize that they reached the zenith of lighting technology, and now the only thing to do is scale it back and make it more intimate.