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I wouldn't ask for "all Freddie songs". Young Dudes was a great inclusion as well as Days Of Our Lives and The Show, they couldn't be more appropiate for the moment even if Mercury didn't compose any of them. And Who Wants To Live Forever.

Still, there were more songs by Brian than by Freddie, there were more acts who were friends with Brian than with Freddie (Tony Iommi, for instance). It is true that Metallica etc were influenced by Queen but it wasn't a tribute to Queen, it was (or claimed to be) a tribute to Freddie, where of course Queen were the most important part of his career, but still they should've (in my opinion) focused more on what he wrote for the band. Even in Queen tours there were more songs by Freddie than the others, now in an alleged Freddie tribute there were more songs by Brian. Three or four songs by him would be fair enough imo, but the first 20 minutes of the concert are all of his creations, for instance.

I'm not putting down the concert itself, I think it was a very good one and personally I prefer that Brian-Tribute (with GnR, Hetfield and the Leps) than a truly Fred-Tribute (with Prince, Jacko and Straker). But imo it wasn't a tribute to Freddie, it was a self-promotion device for Mr May.
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
No, no, no, no, no - of course performing of all-time Queen greatest hit ever "Las Palabras De Amor" with the guy on vocals whom Freddie have never heard about was more important than absent performing of "Love Of My Life" (Brian on guitar, Wembley on lead vocals)... Sure!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I wouldn't ask for "all Freddie songs". Young Dudes was a great inclusion as well as Days Of Our Lives and The Show, they couldn't be more appropiate for the moment even if Mercury didn't compose any of them. And Who Wants To Live Forever.

Still, there were more songs by Brian than by Freddie, there were more acts who were friends with Brian than with Freddie (Tony Iommi, for instance). It is true that Metallica etc were influenced by Queen but it wasn't a tribute to Queen, it was (or claimed to be) a tribute to Freddie, where of course Queen were the most important part of his career, but still they should've (in my opinion) focused more on what he wrote for the band. Even in Queen tours there were more songs by Freddie than the others, now in an alleged Freddie tribute there were more songs by Brian. Three or four songs by him would be fair enough imo, but the first 20 minutes of the concert are all of his creations, for instance.

I'm not putting down the concert itself, I think it was a very good one and personally I prefer that Brian-Tribute (with GnR, Hetfield and the Leps) than a truly Fred-Tribute (with Prince, Jacko and Straker). But imo it wasn't a tribute to Freddie, it was a self-promotion device for Mr May.[/QUOTE]

I can see where you come from, but it doesn't make quite a lot of sense.

To look at it from purely a songwriting point of view, yes - there was more May written stuff (I think, I haven't done a check on that).
I always thought the idea was really to just put on a very big show (which in itself is a tribute to Freddie, the master of big-show-putting) and give people one last vestige of that Queen thing (at the time, it was going to be the last one, wasn't it?).

I can respect what you're saying Sebastian, but just because there weren't as many Mercury compositions, doesn't mean that it was a self-promotion tool. It's second-guessing a guy we don't even know to say that he'd use someone he worked with for twenty years to sell records.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Barry © wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Surely Roger and John also had a say in the set list?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'm thinking the same thing...


[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, no, no, no, no - of course performing of all-time Queen greatest hit ever "Las Palabras De Amor" with the guy on vocals whom Freddie have never heard about was more important than absent performing of "Love Of My Life" (Brian on guitar, Wembley on lead vocals)... Sure! [/QUOTE]

Serry, you had a good one there, LOL, and sure Freddie would have loved that Love of my life had been performed in his tribute.
I really don't want to think that Brian used this tribute as a self-promorion of his music.




[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Even in Queen tours there were more songs by Freddie than the others, now in an alleged Freddie tribute there were more songs by Brian..[/QUOTE]

Maybe that's the reason why he included so many of his own creations in this gig?
Not that I agree with that.

Surely Aretha Franklin, Montserrat Caballé and George Michael(who was there and did an excellent job) would have been some of the best Freddie's admired singers to be there at his tribute, and I don't think they are worse than May's friends. Also Mike Moran, where was he?.
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The fact is Brian's songs outnumbered Freddie's by far during the FMT, and the QPR Tour for that matter. Considering Freddie was a much better songwriter and wrote most of Queen's best songs, it certainly is a bit unnverving. I don't think Brian saw the FMT as a mere tool to sell Back To The Light, that's just going too far, but were/are there egos issues involved ? Oh yes. Any band with multiple songwiters, be it The Beatles or Queen, is naturally very competitive. There is no denying that Freddie's death must have been very painful for Brian. But consiously or not, he must have thought something like :"Well, he's gone and I'm here, I stand for Queen's legacy, and MY songs are gonna be in spotlight from now on". Hence the Brian heavy setlists, the Brian heavy Queen releases (TYMD/FBG) etc

Maybe the FMT setlist was also dependant on guest singers demands (like Los Palabres) and few singers (except George Michael !) were willing to tackle difficult Freddie songs. As for the QPR Tour, I'm sure Paul could have handled more Freddie songs, and Brian certainly wasn't pushing him too hard. (No Somebody To Love, no Killer Queen, but when they add ONE new Queen song for the US Tour it's Dragon Attack !)
I mean four songs written by Freddie on a Queen tour, that doesn't make any sense.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fone Bone wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The fact is Brian's songs outnumbered Freddie's by far during the FMT, and the QPR Tour for that matter. Considering Freddie was a much better songwriter and wrote most of Queen's best songs, it certainly is a bit unnverving. I don't think Brian saw the FMT as a mere tool to sell Back To The Light, that's just going too far, but were/are there egos issues involved ? Oh yes. Any band with multiple songwiters, be it The Beatles or Queen, is naturally very competitive. There is no denying that Freddie's death must have been very painful for Brian. But consiously or not, he must have thought something like :"Well, he's gone and I'm here, I stand for Queen's legacy, and MY songs are gonna be in spotlight from now on". Hence the Brian heavy setlists, the Brian heavy Queen releases (TYMD/FBG) etc

Maybe the FMT setlist was also dependant on guest singers demands (like Los Palabres) and few singers (except George Michael !) were willing to tackle difficult Freddie songs. As for the QPR Tour, I'm sure Paul could have handled more Freddie songs, and Brian certainly wasn't pushing him too hard. (No Somebody To Love, no Killer Queen, but when they add ONE new Queen song for the US Tour it's Dragon Attack !)
I mean four songs written by Freddie on a Queen tour, that doesn't make any sense.
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George Michael apparently learnt nearly every Queen song performed at the tribute show during rehearsals to help the process. I think the set obviously did depend on who was able to perform that day, and perhaps if different people had of been there the setlist would have looked different. As someone says, look at the start - Tie Your Mother Down, I Want It All, Las Palabras De Amor, Hammer To Fall - all Brian songs. The first Freddie song to be played is Stone Cold Crazy. I still feel the majority of the setlist should've been Freddie's songs, regardless of who was picked - but then we don't know if Freddie's songs were rehearsed by the artists, perhaps they couldn't manage them successfully? Lisa Stansfield and Paul Young for example, are more suited to the pop side of Queen (Break Free, Ga Ga) rather than say, Liar or Flick Of The Wrist.

Another aspect is that they wanted the setlist to be positive, so I don't think Death On Two Legs, for example would have been considered....I do know Brian suggested I Want It All to Roger Daltrey after he rang offering his services (watch the 10th anniversary DVD 2nd disc), I'm sure James Hetfield wanted to do Stone Cold Crazy...I think The Miracle would have been nicely done by someone like Paul Young, but it's all hypothetical now....thank goodness Peter Straker did not perform that night, as well..
> give people one last vestige of that Queen thing (at the time, it was going to be the last one, wasn't it?).

Then it could have been named "Ex-Queen's Farewell Concert" or something like that, not actually focused on Freddie. Footage was all right and everything, and then to invite May mates and to sing his songs wouldn't be as hypocrit.

> doesn't mean that it was a self-promotion tool.

I agree to disagree.

> It's second-guessing a guy we don't even know to say that he'd use someone he worked with for twenty years to sell records.

Surely Brian never tried to use Freddie's (or the band's) name in order to justify something he did for himself. That's why he didn't release Driven By You the week Mercury passed away, that's why he's brave enough to use his own name (and Roger's) on the tour with Paul, and that's why he never has to say Fred admired Paul (sort of a secret for thirty years).

> No, no, no, no, no - of course performing of all-time Queen greatest hit ever "Las Palabras De Amor" with the guy on vocals whom Freddie have never heard about was more important than absent performing of "Love Of My Life" (Brian on guitar, Wembley on lead vocals)... Sure!

I couldn't agree more. What about having Metallica and GnR there ... I love the bands but I do know Fred did not. Then they could have labelled it "Queen Tribute" and so it would be ok. IMO.

> Surely Aretha Franklin, Montserrat Caballé and George Michael(who was there and did an excellent job) would have been some of the best Freddie's admired singers to be there at his tribute, and I don't think they are worse than May's friends. Also Mike Moran, where was he?.

Mike played piano on Somebody To Love and sang along with the other at the end. Too few imo.

> The fact is Brian's songs outnumbered Freddie's by far during the FMT, and the QPR Tour for that matter.

I can't complain about the Paul Rodger's thing, after all Brian is the main force behind that and (nobody's gonna convince me otherwise) he's craving for fame and glory to himself through it. Then, if Fred's family and John Deacon are stupid enough to let Brian and Roger carry on as "Queen", then they've got the right to perform as many of their own (or Paul's) songs as they want, or put Eminem on the intro. But the Tribute is a different matter.

> Considering Freddie was a much better songwriter

I disagree. Actually my top 5 Queen tracks are all Brian's: '39, Dreamer's Ball, Good Company, Teo, Save Me (in that order).

> and wrote most of Queen's best songs

Perhaps not "best-songs" in an absolute way. But most of the hits were his, yes.

> I don't think Brian saw the FMT as a mere tool to sell Back To The Light

Neither do I. I didn't mean "self-promotion" in a financial milieu, but concerning his desire to be on papers, TV and so on.

> Any band with multiple songwiters, be it The Beatles or Queen, is naturally very competitive.

To be fair, I think Brian has always been very respectful to Freddie in that matter. For instance when he admits Mercury composed 'Was It All Worth It' and others. Brian and Roger could have easily re-written history and put a lot of lies on a dead man's mouth in order to steal respect (and for a very minimal extent I think they have), but they keep telling how wonderful musician he was and it's wonderful from them imo.

> There is no denying that Freddie's death must have been very painful for Brian. But consiously or not, he must have thought something like :"Well, he's gone and I'm here, I stand for Queen's legacy, and MY songs are gonna be in spotlight from now on".

Yes. From a personal point of view, of course, even if we don't personally know the chap, it's obvious that losing a friend is not easy. But from a leadership sort of way it sorted all of his problems.

> Hence the Brian heavy setlists, the Brian
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
All that is great, Sebastian,good post.
Even if I don't agree that Brian wrote the best songs, I rather prefer listening to Freddie's songs, my favourite are Freddie's.
But then again,returning to the tribute concert, Roger and John must have had something to do also with the setlist of the concert, I can't believe that Brian would say: "hey, guys, we'll play this song, that one, that one..."

And the others just said: "OK, dude, as you like it":?
There must have been a mutual agreement as to which songs would be performed that day.
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"Then it could have been named "Ex-Queen's Farewell Concert" or something like that, not actually focused on Freddie."

But he spent 20 years of his life in Queen! Please don't tell me that the Mr. Bad Guy album would've been a grand sendoff, of the kind one would broadcast around the world.

"I agree to disagree."

Aye, and I can understand why, you've made yourself clear. I can but say - we don't *know*, do we? I know how it can look, and it can look like many many things, depending on what you want to see in it, but I'm not Brian May, you're not Brian May... we don't know for sure.

"That's why he didn't release Driven By You the week Mercury passed away"

But Freddie *encouraged* him into releasing it as a single. And aren't release dates determined a little in advance? I know it sounds like bunk, but they probably had a schedule for some kind of release well before they knew Freddie would die *right then*.
Maybe I'm wrong. But that's unfair of you to virtually say that Brian May marked out Freddie's death-day on the calendar like that.

"that's why he's brave enough to use his own name (and Roger's) on the tour with Paul"

Now this, I can sort of agree with. However, it is mostly 'Queen' music. I don't see how they can avoid throwing it in the title.

"and that's why he never has to say Fred admired Paul (sort of a secret for thirty years)."

This one, yeah - I always wondered why suddenly Paul Rogers was a hero, when he'd never been mentioned before.

"There are several Fred's compositions Roger could have sung beautifully."

Bah to that, he should've sung "Man on Fire".

(I'm kidding by the way).

"I mean four songs written by Freddie on a Queen tour, that doesn't make any sense."

I agree with this, but at the same time they're up against a wall with that. Look at Bohemian Rhapsody - they use a tape for the intro because, well... LOOK what happened when Elton John murdered it???

Ok look in summation - yes, I can see where people come from when they criticise the setlist, because I agree with it. But these catchcries of 'self-promotion' don't sound at all fair to me, considering none of us actually know the guys. Can we not give them the benefit of the doubt?
If it were just a case of Freddie leaving the band, for instance, and they were being obviously bitchy, then sure - it'd be fair to say maybe something dodgy is going on. But a guy died, they knew him for twenty years, and I refuse to just assume that they had only their own interests at heart (with the Tribute at least).

I still think Roger Daltrey was best in show.
> There are several Fred's compositions Roger could have sung beautifully

I meant Daltrey, of course. Although Taylor's a brilliant singer as well. In other words: any Roger not surnamed Waters sings well.
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]> There are several Fred's compositions Roger could have sung beautifully

I meant Daltrey, of course. Although Taylor's a brilliant singer as well. In other words: any Roger not surnamed Waters sings well.[/QUOTE]

Hahah right on.
Brian is too much of a kind and gentle person to be capable of such auto tribute to himself using the name of Freddie, who was like a brother to him.
I can't take that. The three of them, Roger and John included must have had the setlist decision done together.
Period.
God, Amazing powerful musicians""
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inmsthebest wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Brian is too much of a kind and gentle person to be capable of such auto tribute to himself using the name of Freddie, who was like a brother to him.
I can't take that. The three of them, Roger and John included must have had the setlist decision done together.
Period.[/QUOTE]

The thing that bugged me wasn't really the setlist. I felt that much was appropriate.

It was the choice of singers + bands that played the thing. Guns'n'Roses? GUH. And Elton John might've been a pal, but really... he screwed up everything he touched that day.
Basically, from what I've gathered, when bands and artists heard about the tribute they put themselves forward because they admired Freddie or were influenced by him.

Now Brian, John and Roger obviously wanted the day to go as well as possible with some entertaining music and I'm sorry but Freddie's music is so complicated and sung in such a high range that they are very few singers who can do it justice!

I'm sure that the band just wanted the songs to sound good and if people couldn't pull them off then I say give them songs that they can manage and won't make the audience cringe! Look at Plant with Innuendo - everyone says what an embarrassment it was and artists didn't want that especially considering it was being broadcast to 1 billion people.

Who are Brian, Roger and John to tell people like Guns n' Roses and Metallica that they cannot pay tribute to an artist they loved just because their style of music wasn't Freddie's cup of tea! How crushed would you be as a band if you were told that and I'm sure Bri, Rog and John are too gentlemanly to do such a thing.

People on here must have a very low opinion of Brian if you think that after the death of a close friend the first thing on his mind is self-promotion. This is someone who I've only ever heard speak of Freddie in the highest terms, almost in an adoring tone. So there's my two pence, take it or leave it.