Touching on what Music Man said, christianity is all about forgiveness
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Touching on what Music Man said, christianity is all about forgiveness
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested.
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Touching on what Music Man said, christianity is all about forgiveness
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should've said rather than implied that they would have jail time and therapy
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should've said rather than implied that they would have jail time and therapy
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Touching on what Music Man said, christianity is all about forgiveness
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should've said rather than implied that they would have jail time and therapy[/QUOTE]
Nah, I got your point. Jail time and therepy definatly, but you can't "cure" pedophelia any more than you can "cure" homosexuality....no amount of jail or therepy can do that. All you can do is control the urge, and when one is fighting a battle like that it's better to keep them away from the temptation to loose control. You wouldn't offer a beer to a recovering alcoholic, would you? Same principal applies.
No offense intended.
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should've said rather than implied that they would have jail time and therapy[/QUOTE]
Nah, I got your point. Jail time and therepy definatly, but you can't "cure" pedophelia any more than you can "cure" homosexuality....no amount of jail or therepy can do that. All you can do is control the urge, and when one is fighting a battle like that it's better to keep them away from the temptation to loose control. You wouldn't offer a beer to a recovering alcoholic, would you? Same principal applies.
No offense intended.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Touching on what Music Man said, christianity is all about forgiveness
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should've said rather than implied that they would have jail time and therapy[/QUOTE]
Nah, I got your point. Jail time and therepy definatly, but you can't "cure" pedophelia any more than you can "cure" homosexuality....no amount of jail or therepy can do that. All you can do is control the urge, and when one is fighting a battle like that it's better to keep them away from the temptation to loose control. You wouldn't offer a beer to a recovering alcoholic, would you? Same principal applies.
No offense intended.[/QUOTE]
No offense taken
This is something that would take 20-25 years, and it would show whether or not the priest is seriously devoted and regretful of his actions
plus the church would claim its rightful spot as the moral leaders of the world
If these pedophile priests get convicted (and they had better), they should be able to pay their debt to society, probably go through the sacraments again and if the pope or higher cardinal persay can absolve them, they should be able to be refrocked[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? That's like letting pedophile teachers go back into a kindergarden classroom after a while! Pedophelia is a disease, and it has one of the highest recidivism rates of all crimes. Even pedophiles will admit they can't be cured...they just control the urge.
There is a vast difference between Forgiving the person and making it easier for them to be tempted to do it again. Forgive them, that's fine, they should be forgiven. But for heaven's sake....Don't let them be alone around kids again!!! If you do, it should be on your concious that you allowed another kid to be molested. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I should've said rather than implied that they would have jail time and therapy[/QUOTE]
Nah, I got your point. Jail time and therepy definatly, but you can't "cure" pedophelia any more than you can "cure" homosexuality....no amount of jail or therepy can do that. All you can do is control the urge, and when one is fighting a battle like that it's better to keep them away from the temptation to loose control. You wouldn't offer a beer to a recovering alcoholic, would you? Same principal applies.
No offense intended.[/QUOTE]
No offense taken
This is something that would take 20-25 years, and it would show whether or not the priest is seriously devoted and regretful of his actions
plus the church would claim its rightful spot as the moral leaders of the world
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]plus the church would claim its rightful spot as the moral leaders of the world[/QUOTE]
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]plus the church would claim its rightful spot as the moral leaders of the world[/QUOTE]
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree with being secular but think, if someone running for congress or president would say "Yeah, Im egnostic(sp) at best, I really dont believe in anything"
They would never get elected
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree with being secular but think, if someone running for congress or president would say "Yeah, Im egnostic(sp) at best, I really dont believe in anything"
They would never get elected
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]plus the church would claim its rightful spot as the moral leaders of the world[/QUOTE]
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree with being secular but think, if someone running for congress or president would say "Yeah, Im egnostic(sp) at best, I really dont believe in anything"
They would never get elected[/QUOTE]
It's spelled agnostic, and what you said is not necessarily true. While he was not elected to Congress or Presidency, former governor Jesse Ventura has always been an athiest.
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree with being secular but think, if someone running for congress or president would say "Yeah, Im egnostic(sp) at best, I really dont believe in anything"
They would never get elected[/QUOTE]
It's spelled agnostic, and what you said is not necessarily true. While he was not elected to Congress or Presidency, former governor Jesse Ventura has always been an athiest.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]plus the church would claim its rightful spot as the moral leaders of the world[/QUOTE]
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree with being secular but think, if someone running for congress or president would say "Yeah, Im egnostic(sp) at best, I really dont believe in anything"
They would never get elected[/QUOTE]
It's spelled agnostic, and what you said is not necessarily true. While he was not elected to Congress or Presidency, former governor Jesse Ventura has always been an athiest.[/QUOTE]
Jesse Ventura is like the Governator, he's just a novelty act now. And he quit when he realized he hated politics.
And thanks, I didnt remember if it was e or a
Anyone in their right mind knows that'll never happen. Far too much of the seccular world disagrees with the church on most issues.
And thank goodness for that.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree with being secular but think, if someone running for congress or president would say "Yeah, Im egnostic(sp) at best, I really dont believe in anything"
They would never get elected[/QUOTE]
It's spelled agnostic, and what you said is not necessarily true. While he was not elected to Congress or Presidency, former governor Jesse Ventura has always been an athiest.[/QUOTE]
Jesse Ventura is like the Governator, he's just a novelty act now. And he quit when he realized he hated politics.
And thanks, I didnt remember if it was e or a
It might be a good idea to read up on him before dismissing him as a novelty act who didn't like politics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you might not be right.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you might not be right.
He's a wrestler, it was like when Hogan tried to get the democratic nomination
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's a wrestler, it was like when Hogan tried to get the democratic nomination
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's a wrestler, it was like when Hogan tried to get the democratic nomination
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.[/QUOTE]
Again, excellent point MusicMan. Unfortunatly that's the reason he won't succeed in politics. The status quo is too ingrained in the whole system....everytime someone good for it actually tries to change it they are run out of the capital by the old conventionalists. My bet it, especially running as an independent, he wouldn't even make it past the primaries to get a party nomination as a Democrat or Republican, and no independent has even garnered enough votes to carry a single state in a national election. Sad, but true. He would make a cool President, though.
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.[/QUOTE]
Again, excellent point MusicMan. Unfortunatly that's the reason he won't succeed in politics. The status quo is too ingrained in the whole system....everytime someone good for it actually tries to change it they are run out of the capital by the old conventionalists. My bet it, especially running as an independent, he wouldn't even make it past the primaries to get a party nomination as a Democrat or Republican, and no independent has even garnered enough votes to carry a single state in a national election. Sad, but true. He would make a cool President, though.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's a wrestler, it was like when Hogan tried to get the democratic nomination
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.[/QUOTE]
Again, excellent point MusicMan. Unfortunatly that's the reason he won't succeed in politics. The status quo is too ingrained in the whole system....everytime someone good for it actually tries to change it they are run out of the capital by the old conventionalists. My bet it, especially running as an independent, he wouldn't even make it past the primaries to get a party nomination as a Democrat or Republican, and no independent has even garnered enough votes to carry a single state in a national election. Sad, but true. He would make a cool President, though.[/QUOTE]
I hope you dont mean Hogan, WCW and Hogan Knows Best are proof that he should not be trusted with money
Interesting path this conversation has taken btw
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.[/QUOTE]
Again, excellent point MusicMan. Unfortunatly that's the reason he won't succeed in politics. The status quo is too ingrained in the whole system....everytime someone good for it actually tries to change it they are run out of the capital by the old conventionalists. My bet it, especially running as an independent, he wouldn't even make it past the primaries to get a party nomination as a Democrat or Republican, and no independent has even garnered enough votes to carry a single state in a national election. Sad, but true. He would make a cool President, though.[/QUOTE]
I hope you dont mean Hogan, WCW and Hogan Knows Best are proof that he should not be trusted with money
Interesting path this conversation has taken btw
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's a wrestler, it was like when Hogan tried to get the democratic nomination
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.[/QUOTE]
Again, excellent point MusicMan. Unfortunatly that's the reason he won't succeed in politics. The status quo is too ingrained in the whole system....everytime someone good for it actually tries to change it they are run out of the capital by the old conventionalists. My bet it, especially running as an independent, he wouldn't even make it past the primaries to get a party nomination as a Democrat or Republican, and no independent has even garnered enough votes to carry a single state in a national election. Sad, but true. He would make a cool President, though.[/QUOTE]
I hope you dont mean Hogan, WCW and Hogan Knows Best are proof that he should not be trusted with money
Interesting path this conversation has taken btw[/QUOTE]
We're talking about Jesse Ventura XD
and the whole "Jessi the Mind Ventura" thing isnt nearly as good as his old one[/QUOTE]
And Ronald Reagan was an actor. Are you saying that if you had a previous career in show business that you are unqualified as a politician? Politics isn't just for lawyers and businessmen.
Ventura, despite being controversial and outspoken in his views (something we desperately need in politics) has maintained some of the highest approval ratings for a governor in United States history. This, even in spite of his small margin of victory for the governorship. He has very definite and reasonable political convictions that he isn't afraid to communicate to the public. I don't know about you, but I think this is the kind of thing that we need in politics.[/QUOTE]
Again, excellent point MusicMan. Unfortunatly that's the reason he won't succeed in politics. The status quo is too ingrained in the whole system....everytime someone good for it actually tries to change it they are run out of the capital by the old conventionalists. My bet it, especially running as an independent, he wouldn't even make it past the primaries to get a party nomination as a Democrat or Republican, and no independent has even garnered enough votes to carry a single state in a national election. Sad, but true. He would make a cool President, though.[/QUOTE]
I hope you dont mean Hogan, WCW and Hogan Knows Best are proof that he should not be trusted with money
Interesting path this conversation has taken btw[/QUOTE]
We're talking about Jesse Ventura XD