Assassin isn't the same as Innuendo..
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Assassin isn't the same as Innuendo..[/QUOTE]
I always thought it was a working title for 'The Hitman'. Seems more logical (assassins and hitmen).
I always thought it was a working title for 'The Hitman'. Seems more logical (assassins and hitmen).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote:
With your argument, you might as well walk into a Burger King and demand they feed you for free. "I want a Whopper!" When they tell you how much it costs, you're outraged - "I want it for free! Do you feel superior to me because you have the Whopper that I want? If I had Whoppers, you can bet I would give them out to anyone and everyone!"
People spend a large portion of their lives collecting things for their own sakes, not to entertain give out as freebies to other people. If you build a good relationship with a collector, maybe he or she will send you a rare file every now and then; but they are under no agreement or obligation to do so.[/QUOTE]
lol, i am sorry but that sounds silly. we are talking about a song (which is probably not good enough for the audience, because if it was it has been relesed) and not about somebody's life.. well maybe i am different, but although i love queen i am willing to share the material (also the rare one which was hard to get) i have, and when i paid much for it i would be willingly to trade, but keep it such a secret i think it's silly. because what's the sense for keeping it just for me? do i make the queen members happier when me is the only one with the demo song? is it for me a better feeling to be the only one with this song? no it isn't. for me it is only important to get it for myself, and when i have it, i don't care about if i spent lots of time and money to find it, i would share or trade it. well, but that's only my opinion, everybody can do like he wants, and so i understand your arguments.
With your argument, you might as well walk into a Burger King and demand they feed you for free. "I want a Whopper!" When they tell you how much it costs, you're outraged - "I want it for free! Do you feel superior to me because you have the Whopper that I want? If I had Whoppers, you can bet I would give them out to anyone and everyone!"
People spend a large portion of their lives collecting things for their own sakes, not to entertain give out as freebies to other people. If you build a good relationship with a collector, maybe he or she will send you a rare file every now and then; but they are under no agreement or obligation to do so.[/QUOTE]
lol, i am sorry but that sounds silly. we are talking about a song (which is probably not good enough for the audience, because if it was it has been relesed) and not about somebody's life.. well maybe i am different, but although i love queen i am willing to share the material (also the rare one which was hard to get) i have, and when i paid much for it i would be willingly to trade, but keep it such a secret i think it's silly. because what's the sense for keeping it just for me? do i make the queen members happier when me is the only one with the demo song? is it for me a better feeling to be the only one with this song? no it isn't. for me it is only important to get it for myself, and when i have it, i don't care about if i spent lots of time and money to find it, i would share or trade it. well, but that's only my opinion, everybody can do like he wants, and so i understand your arguments.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: If you build a good relationship with a collector, maybe he or she will send you a rare file every now and then; but they are under no agreement or obligation to do so.[/QUOTE]
i don't agree with that. i want to have relationships because i like people, and not just because they own something i want to have. it sounds like building a relationship to a collector, and when i got the thing i want, i break up again? no! that's very unfair. that's like when you marry a very very old rich man/woman who is going to die soon, just to take all his/her money, i think that shows a false character.
when i have a good friend who has for example a rare queen song i want to have and he don't want to give me, i wouldn't break up the relationship just because of that. relationships and business are different things and i don't want to mix them.
but we are far away now from the topic i started, - i wanted to read if somebody has any tip where to find/buy the songs, - but we can also start another thread where we discuss what do we think about different characters of people :)
i don't agree with that. i want to have relationships because i like people, and not just because they own something i want to have. it sounds like building a relationship to a collector, and when i got the thing i want, i break up again? no! that's very unfair. that's like when you marry a very very old rich man/woman who is going to die soon, just to take all his/her money, i think that shows a false character.
when i have a good friend who has for example a rare queen song i want to have and he don't want to give me, i wouldn't break up the relationship just because of that. relationships and business are different things and i don't want to mix them.
but we are far away now from the topic i started, - i wanted to read if somebody has any tip where to find/buy the songs, - but we can also start another thread where we discuss what do we think about different characters of people :)
All we need is a little teaser. A 10 sec sample would be enough to confirm it's existence. ;-)
that's the point.
Let me state this challenge:
"I think they don't exist. Is anybody able to demonstrate that they do?"
Collectors are often jealous of what they collect... but also proud of them. You can't be proud of something whose bare existance is negelected, or at least discussed.
so... let's wait and see if someone has the courage to share 10-15 seconds of those Chymeras.
that's the point.
Let me state this challenge:
"I think they don't exist. Is anybody able to demonstrate that they do?"
Collectors are often jealous of what they collect... but also proud of them. You can't be proud of something whose bare existance is negelected, or at least discussed.
so... let's wait and see if someone has the courage to share 10-15 seconds of those Chymeras.
I agree with Lester's comments. It's the same with concerts too. Take Dallas 78 for example. I downloaded that in flac from Dimeadozen long before it was shared here, and it was a rarity (and a trading tool)....now everyone can get it so it's less of a gem to have now. Houston 77 is the same, but I believe only an mp3 version was shared here...so a lossless bootleg is still rare.
I think that sharing is not a legitimate option for those that paid a lot of money for their rare items.
However I do not think that those who obtained free copies of items entitles them to withhold them from the general public forever. Queen Productions already does a fine job of that. How many years have these items been under trading restrictions? Is there a statute of limitations?
Perhaps, a trader could sell a predetermined amount of a song for a dollar or so plus postage (ala Barry Mitchell) if giving it away to leechers is such a concern.
However, as there is already some complaining in the trading community about traders who withhold and take forever to make a trade, I doubt that most of these songs will ever be for general consumption, seeing that Queen productions has no genuine intentions of ever selling the box sets (seeing that they are content with selling recycled product).
However I do not think that those who obtained free copies of items entitles them to withhold them from the general public forever. Queen Productions already does a fine job of that. How many years have these items been under trading restrictions? Is there a statute of limitations?
Perhaps, a trader could sell a predetermined amount of a song for a dollar or so plus postage (ala Barry Mitchell) if giving it away to leechers is such a concern.
However, as there is already some complaining in the trading community about traders who withhold and take forever to make a trade, I doubt that most of these songs will ever be for general consumption, seeing that Queen productions has no genuine intentions of ever selling the box sets (seeing that they are content with selling recycled product).
Well I happen to think blah blah blah, in a hundred years none of this shit will matter. Upload it all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A collector who has amassed a huge collection should be proud of what he or she has. Once a rare track leaks, then the collection becomes all the more obsolete.
[SNIP]
it's not the responsibility of those who do have them to share them - it's Queen Productions'. They have the songs in perfect quality, and know that the fans want the rarities, so it's only a matter of time before these songs will become available.[/QUOTE]
Hear hear...I also will be looking forward to that time when they are released. And they will be.
Then I think a lot of the friction that occurs (especially) in here, will disappear.
[SNIP]
it's not the responsibility of those who do have them to share them - it's Queen Productions'. They have the songs in perfect quality, and know that the fans want the rarities, so it's only a matter of time before these songs will become available.[/QUOTE]
Hear hear...I also will be looking forward to that time when they are released. And they will be.
Then I think a lot of the friction that occurs (especially) in here, will disappear.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol, i am sorry but that sounds silly. we are talking about a song (which is probably not good enough for the audience, because if it was it has been relesed) and not about somebody's life.. well maybe i am different, but although i love queen i am willing to share the material (also the rare one which was hard to get) i have, and when i paid much for it i would be willingly to trade, but keep it such a secret i think it's silly. because what's the sense for keeping it just for me? do i make the queen members happier when me is the only one with the demo song? is it for me a better feeling to be the only one with this song? no it isn't. for me it is only important to get it for myself, and when i have it, i don't care about if i spent lots of time and money to find it, i would share or trade it. well, but that's only my opinion, everybody can do like he wants, and so i understand your arguments. [/QUOTE]
Please, quit while you're far behind. You haven't got the slightest clue about collecting. In a perfect world it may work like you suggest, but the collecting world is a place to quietly seek the goods, people's trust, and occasional luck. One obtains something rare by offering something equally rare in exchange. The only time a "rare" song hits a public place like this is when it has made its rounds through the collectors and they have nothing left to gain, since it was traded around for months, or even years.
If you are a fan, then enjoy the officially released music and the demos and concerts shared here. If you want more, then you need to make your way into the collecting world. It's not easy, but it's the way it works. In the long run, few things will be shared here in comparison to what's out there. Everything isn't going to be handed to everyone on a silver platter. Don't flame me for this. I'm just reporting it as it is.
Please, quit while you're far behind. You haven't got the slightest clue about collecting. In a perfect world it may work like you suggest, but the collecting world is a place to quietly seek the goods, people's trust, and occasional luck. One obtains something rare by offering something equally rare in exchange. The only time a "rare" song hits a public place like this is when it has made its rounds through the collectors and they have nothing left to gain, since it was traded around for months, or even years.
If you are a fan, then enjoy the officially released music and the demos and concerts shared here. If you want more, then you need to make your way into the collecting world. It's not easy, but it's the way it works. In the long run, few things will be shared here in comparison to what's out there. Everything isn't going to be handed to everyone on a silver platter. Don't flame me for this. I'm just reporting it as it is.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:
Please, quit while you're far behind. You haven't got the slightest clue about collecting. In a perfect world it may work like you suggest, but the collecting world is a place to quietly seek the goods, people's trust, and occasional luck. One obtains something rare by offering something equally rare in exchange. The only time a "rare" song hits a public place like this is when it has made its rounds through the collectors and they have nothing left to gain, since it was traded around for months, or even years.
If you are a fan, then enjoy the officially released music and the demos and concerts shared here. If you want more, then you need to make your way into the collecting world. It's not easy, but it's the way it works. In the long run, few things will be shared here in comparison to what's out there. Everything isn't going to be handed to everyone on a silver platter. Don't flame me for this. I'm just reporting it as it is.
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sry but that is really silly! i am also a collector, not queen items but i have a completely different item collection and i know, how hard is it to get rare items. i also spent much money for my collection, - but is that a reason to keep everything for oneself as a secret? well it's just money, and if you have enough you don't care about how much you spent for your collection, - you are just happy that you have your collection complete. btw does it make a song to you worse, when other people also have that? it sounds like you only like your demo song when you are the only one who has it, and when anyone else has it too, it makes that song for you worse. that are the points i don't understand: if you have money, you don't care anymore how much you spent for the collection, you are just happy that you have it yourself, - and when you love the band, you are happy to share you collection so that the fan community grows.
well, but again: we can open a new thread continue discussing on this topic, - the thread i started has anything to do with what was written the last 15 posts....
Please, quit while you're far behind. You haven't got the slightest clue about collecting. In a perfect world it may work like you suggest, but the collecting world is a place to quietly seek the goods, people's trust, and occasional luck. One obtains something rare by offering something equally rare in exchange. The only time a "rare" song hits a public place like this is when it has made its rounds through the collectors and they have nothing left to gain, since it was traded around for months, or even years.
If you are a fan, then enjoy the officially released music and the demos and concerts shared here. If you want more, then you need to make your way into the collecting world. It's not easy, but it's the way it works. In the long run, few things will be shared here in comparison to what's out there. Everything isn't going to be handed to everyone on a silver platter. Don't flame me for this. I'm just reporting it as it is.
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sry but that is really silly! i am also a collector, not queen items but i have a completely different item collection and i know, how hard is it to get rare items. i also spent much money for my collection, - but is that a reason to keep everything for oneself as a secret? well it's just money, and if you have enough you don't care about how much you spent for your collection, - you are just happy that you have your collection complete. btw does it make a song to you worse, when other people also have that? it sounds like you only like your demo song when you are the only one who has it, and when anyone else has it too, it makes that song for you worse. that are the points i don't understand: if you have money, you don't care anymore how much you spent for the collection, you are just happy that you have it yourself, - and when you love the band, you are happy to share you collection so that the fan community grows.
well, but again: we can open a new thread continue discussing on this topic, - the thread i started has anything to do with what was written the last 15 posts....
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]rosedewitt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]sry but that is really silly! i am also a collector, not queen items but i have a completely different item collection and i know, how hard is it to get rare items. i also spent much money for my collection, - but is that a reason to keep everything for oneself as a secret? well it's just money, and if you have enough you don't care about how much you spent for your collection, - you are just happy that you have your collection complete. btw does it make a song to you worse, when other people also have that? it sounds like you only like your demo song when you are the only one who has it, and when anyone else has it too, it makes that song for you worse. that are the points i don't understand: if you have money, you don't care anymore how much you spent for the collection, you are just happy that you have it yourself, - and when you love the band, you are happy to share you collection so that the fan community grows.[/QUOTE]
Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this:
I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops.
That's why things aren't shared until they've made their rounds. There is demand for things that are not easy to get. If it's out there for anyone to get, then it no longer has collectible value. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you. But it's the way music collecting has been working for decades. You're not going to be spoonfed the gems. You need to go out there and find them yourself. Collecting music is a long journey.
Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this:
I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops.
That's why things aren't shared until they've made their rounds. There is demand for things that are not easy to get. If it's out there for anyone to get, then it no longer has collectible value. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you. But it's the way music collecting has been working for decades. You're not going to be spoonfed the gems. You need to go out there and find them yourself. Collecting music is a long journey.
Bob is right, And excuse me, but if you ask where you can download or buy Assassin or Face it Alone you can't be that much of a trader.
Totaly agree with sir GH.
I just got into trading thanks to the Queen Traders Forum that created a place where I can post my trade list and be sure people see it.
By the way my nickname there is great_pretender if you want to contact me.
Of course I would like to listen to the rae stuff, but I know I will have to be patient.
For now I'm quite happy to find people who, just like me, are starting and have small collections.
trading with these people is a lot easyer as we almost always have stuff we can trade.
In just a few weeks I have completed three trades successefuly, and have three more in progress right now.
If you want to get into trading follow these simple tips.
Don't be to insistent. If you don't get a reply right away, just whait, people might just be too busy to answer right away.
Start trading for the most comon recordings first. that way you can build bonds of trust with people, not to mention that some of the best recordings aren't that rare.
I'm perfectly happy right now if I can upgrade a gig I already have on MP3. (Milan 1984 comes to mind right now, have to get those).
Trading is suposed to be fun. So HAVE FUN
I just got into trading thanks to the Queen Traders Forum that created a place where I can post my trade list and be sure people see it.
By the way my nickname there is great_pretender if you want to contact me.
Of course I would like to listen to the rae stuff, but I know I will have to be patient.
For now I'm quite happy to find people who, just like me, are starting and have small collections.
trading with these people is a lot easyer as we almost always have stuff we can trade.
In just a few weeks I have completed three trades successefuly, and have three more in progress right now.
If you want to get into trading follow these simple tips.
Don't be to insistent. If you don't get a reply right away, just whait, people might just be too busy to answer right away.
Start trading for the most comon recordings first. that way you can build bonds of trust with people, not to mention that some of the best recordings aren't that rare.
I'm perfectly happy right now if I can upgrade a gig I already have on MP3. (Milan 1984 comes to mind right now, have to get those).
Trading is suposed to be fun. So HAVE FUN
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:
Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this:
I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops.
That's why things aren't shared until they've made their rounds. There is demand for things that are not easy to get. If it's out there for anyone to get, then it no longer has collectible value. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you. But it's the way music collecting has been working for decades. You're not going to be spoonfed the gems. You need to go out there and find them yourself. Collecting music is a long journey.[/QUOTE]
well we have different opinions then. i think your example doens't work, - when you share your three rare songs and then find a fourth rare one it would work when the person with that 4th song also share his song without any problem, - it would be a queen-fan-community, when they would work together and not against each other. ok, maybe we are not in a perfect world, but it could be an aim trying to reach that vision.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Bob is right, And excuse me, but if you ask where you can download or buy Assassin or Face it Alone you can't be that much of a trader.[/QUOTE]
i never said i am collecting music, and i am really not. i was just interested in that demo songs i heard about just to hear, but it doesn't matter at all now, and i really have to say i don't believe that they exist. and i am trading and sharing my queen stuff, and i really don't have a problem to share also the rare things which were hard to get, and there were some i also spent money for. well, you can't say that i'm a bad trader or something like that, i would say that's a kind of an exemplary character, - i love the band and i share my adoration and ecstasy with every queen fan, i don't want to make it hard for any queen fan to listen to the music of the band he adores.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]MDNA wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Totaly agree with sir GH.
I just got into trading thanks to the Queen Traders Forum that created a place where I can post my trade list and be sure people see it.
By the way my nickname there is great_pretender if you want to contact me.
Of course I would like to listen to the rae stuff, but I know I will have to be patient.
For now I'm quite happy to find people who, just like me, are starting and have small collections.
trading with these people is a lot easyer as we almost always have stuff we can trade.
In just a few weeks I have completed three trades successefuly, and have three more in progress right now.
If you want to get into trading follow these simple tips.
Don't be to insistent. If you don't get a reply right away, just whait, people might just be too busy to answer right away.
Start trading for the most comon recordings first. that way you can build bonds of trust with people, not to mention that some of the best recordings aren't that rare.
I'm perfectly happy right now if I can upgrade a gig I already have on MP3. (Milan 1984 comes to mind right now, have to get those).
Trading is suposed to be fun. So HAVE FUN[/QUOTE]
thanks for your tips :)
Again, in a perfect world, what you're saying would be absolutely true. But that's not where we are, unfortunately. Consider this:
I obtain 3 ultra-rare songs, and I share them online for everyone to enjoy. A month later, I'm offered a fourth rare song in a trade. What can I offer for it? Stupid me shared the three rare songs... oops.
That's why things aren't shared until they've made their rounds. There is demand for things that are not easy to get. If it's out there for anyone to get, then it no longer has collectible value. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you. But it's the way music collecting has been working for decades. You're not going to be spoonfed the gems. You need to go out there and find them yourself. Collecting music is a long journey.[/QUOTE]
well we have different opinions then. i think your example doens't work, - when you share your three rare songs and then find a fourth rare one it would work when the person with that 4th song also share his song without any problem, - it would be a queen-fan-community, when they would work together and not against each other. ok, maybe we are not in a perfect world, but it could be an aim trying to reach that vision.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Bob is right, And excuse me, but if you ask where you can download or buy Assassin or Face it Alone you can't be that much of a trader.[/QUOTE]
i never said i am collecting music, and i am really not. i was just interested in that demo songs i heard about just to hear, but it doesn't matter at all now, and i really have to say i don't believe that they exist. and i am trading and sharing my queen stuff, and i really don't have a problem to share also the rare things which were hard to get, and there were some i also spent money for. well, you can't say that i'm a bad trader or something like that, i would say that's a kind of an exemplary character, - i love the band and i share my adoration and ecstasy with every queen fan, i don't want to make it hard for any queen fan to listen to the music of the band he adores.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]MDNA wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Totaly agree with sir GH.
I just got into trading thanks to the Queen Traders Forum that created a place where I can post my trade list and be sure people see it.
By the way my nickname there is great_pretender if you want to contact me.
Of course I would like to listen to the rae stuff, but I know I will have to be patient.
For now I'm quite happy to find people who, just like me, are starting and have small collections.
trading with these people is a lot easyer as we almost always have stuff we can trade.
In just a few weeks I have completed three trades successefuly, and have three more in progress right now.
If you want to get into trading follow these simple tips.
Don't be to insistent. If you don't get a reply right away, just whait, people might just be too busy to answer right away.
Start trading for the most comon recordings first. that way you can build bonds of trust with people, not to mention that some of the best recordings aren't that rare.
I'm perfectly happy right now if I can upgrade a gig I already have on MP3. (Milan 1984 comes to mind right now, have to get those).
Trading is suposed to be fun. So HAVE FUN[/QUOTE]
thanks for your tips :)