At first it was interesting. Then it became annoying. Now it is embarassing.
Mr Jingles I am completly with you on this.
I can't even begin to argue about the Tribute concert. Read MrJingles' posts once more if you don't get it.
Brian, Roger, John and Freddie are Queen. Look at the banner up to the left on this page. See how they are one. A group. Queen.
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to the total asswipe that suggested that Roger and John were only 5% of Queen each:
What kind of MORON are you, I would dearly like to slap you, and then see you say that to Roger or John's FACE, you stupid coward who has to post nonsense over a fucking forum. Stop spewing complete BULL, Roger, in my opinion, wrote some of the most beautiful songs, some of which I love very much. Tenement Funster for example, is one of my favourites, aswell as Breakthru and Radio Gaga. As for John, Misfire, You and I, Another One Bites The Dust, Back Chat, all great songs that I love! To say Queen would have been the same without these two, is completly and totally untrue. And you call yourself a FAN, my god, who would want a fan like YOU!
There is NO denying Brian and Freddie, Freddie probably yes, a bit more so than Brian, were major components of Queen, but so were Roger and John.
You, my dear, can suck it.
What kind of MORON are you, I would dearly like to slap you, and then see you say that to Roger or John's FACE, you stupid coward who has to post nonsense over a fucking forum. Stop spewing complete BULL, Roger, in my opinion, wrote some of the most beautiful songs, some of which I love very much. Tenement Funster for example, is one of my favourites, aswell as Breakthru and Radio Gaga. As for John, Misfire, You and I, Another One Bites The Dust, Back Chat, all great songs that I love! To say Queen would have been the same without these two, is completly and totally untrue. And you call yourself a FAN, my god, who would want a fan like YOU!
There is NO denying Brian and Freddie, Freddie probably yes, a bit more so than Brian, were major components of Queen, but so were Roger and John.
You, my dear, can suck it.
amen.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]doeeyes wrote: [/QUOTENAME]amen.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. :)
Thank you. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]WhatMustHeThink wrote: [/QUOTENAME]to the total asswipe that suggested that Roger and John were only 5% of Queen each:
What kind of MORON are you, I would dearly like to slap you, and then see you say that to Roger or John's FACE, you stupid coward who has to post nonsense over a fucking forum. Stop spewing complete BULL, Roger, in my opinion, wrote some of the most beautiful songs, some of which I love very much. Tenement Funster for example, is one of my favourites, aswell as Breakthru and Radio Gaga. As for John, Misfire, You and I, Another One Bites The Dust, Back Chat, all great songs that I love! To say Queen would have been the same without these two, is completly and totally untrue. And you call yourself a FAN, my god, who would want a fan like YOU!
There is NO denying Brian and Freddie, Freddie probably yes, a bit more so than Brian, were major components of Queen, but so were Roger and John.
You, my dear, can suck it.
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*claps* Thanks for saying what some of us can't quite seem to word. You speak the absolute truth.
What kind of MORON are you, I would dearly like to slap you, and then see you say that to Roger or John's FACE, you stupid coward who has to post nonsense over a fucking forum. Stop spewing complete BULL, Roger, in my opinion, wrote some of the most beautiful songs, some of which I love very much. Tenement Funster for example, is one of my favourites, aswell as Breakthru and Radio Gaga. As for John, Misfire, You and I, Another One Bites The Dust, Back Chat, all great songs that I love! To say Queen would have been the same without these two, is completly and totally untrue. And you call yourself a FAN, my god, who would want a fan like YOU!
There is NO denying Brian and Freddie, Freddie probably yes, a bit more so than Brian, were major components of Queen, but so were Roger and John.
You, my dear, can suck it.
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*claps* Thanks for saying what some of us can't quite seem to word. You speak the absolute truth.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fiendishly Yours wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]WhatMustHeThink wrote: [/QUOTENAME]to the total asswipe that suggested that Roger and John were only 5% of Queen each:
What kind of MORON are you, I would dearly like to slap you, and then see you say that to Roger or John's FACE, you stupid coward who has to post nonsense over a fucking forum. Stop spewing complete BULL, Roger, in my opinion, wrote some of the most beautiful songs, some of which I love very much. Tenement Funster for example, is one of my favourites, aswell as Breakthru and Radio Gaga. As for John, Misfire, You and I, Another One Bites The Dust, Back Chat, all great songs that I love! To say Queen would have been the same without these two, is completly and totally untrue. And you call yourself a FAN, my god, who would want a fan like YOU!
There is NO denying Brian and Freddie, Freddie probably yes, a bit more so than Brian, were major components of Queen, but so were Roger and John.
You, my dear, can suck it.
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*claps* Thanks for saying what some of us can't quite seem to word. You speak the absolute truth.[/QUOTE]
thank you, its very nice being validated for telling the disillusioned asswipes what I think of them.
What kind of MORON are you, I would dearly like to slap you, and then see you say that to Roger or John's FACE, you stupid coward who has to post nonsense over a fucking forum. Stop spewing complete BULL, Roger, in my opinion, wrote some of the most beautiful songs, some of which I love very much. Tenement Funster for example, is one of my favourites, aswell as Breakthru and Radio Gaga. As for John, Misfire, You and I, Another One Bites The Dust, Back Chat, all great songs that I love! To say Queen would have been the same without these two, is completly and totally untrue. And you call yourself a FAN, my god, who would want a fan like YOU!
There is NO denying Brian and Freddie, Freddie probably yes, a bit more so than Brian, were major components of Queen, but so were Roger and John.
You, my dear, can suck it.
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*claps* Thanks for saying what some of us can't quite seem to word. You speak the absolute truth.[/QUOTE]
thank you, its very nice being validated for telling the disillusioned asswipes what I think of them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This is by far one of the dumbest threads I've seen on this message board.
There's been countless numbre of times when Brian has mentioned how corageous and brave Freddie was when it came to make the decision to keep recording despite his illness. Brian has also mentioned that Freddie could only work for a few hours everyday during the sessions for 'Innuendo' and 'Made In Heaven' and he deeply appreciates the enormous effort he made to keep working until he could not possibly give any more. Brian has also mentioned how proud he felt of Freddie for writing 'I'm Going Slightly Mad', and how dissapointed he felt at the fact that it was just a minor hit. Do you guys still think Brian is making up a bunch of bullshit stories to make himself look like the leader of the band?
About Brian trying to take the lead, Brian does admit many times that there's been discussions in between band members about the musical direction they want to take, but guess what people?... that happens on every single fuckin' rock band because as individuals there will always be differences and disagreements.
Brian also wanted to take a more hard rock direction during the 80s, while the rest of the band decided to take a more mainstream pop approach. Yet we never hear Brian ranting about the final outcome of their work, and he always mentions to feel very proud of all Queen has done and he has no regrets.
I think you people are very ignorant, and choose to interpret comments in the most negative way.[/QUOTE]
Silly Boy
There's been countless numbre of times when Brian has mentioned how corageous and brave Freddie was when it came to make the decision to keep recording despite his illness. Brian has also mentioned that Freddie could only work for a few hours everyday during the sessions for 'Innuendo' and 'Made In Heaven' and he deeply appreciates the enormous effort he made to keep working until he could not possibly give any more. Brian has also mentioned how proud he felt of Freddie for writing 'I'm Going Slightly Mad', and how dissapointed he felt at the fact that it was just a minor hit. Do you guys still think Brian is making up a bunch of bullshit stories to make himself look like the leader of the band?
About Brian trying to take the lead, Brian does admit many times that there's been discussions in between band members about the musical direction they want to take, but guess what people?... that happens on every single fuckin' rock band because as individuals there will always be differences and disagreements.
Brian also wanted to take a more hard rock direction during the 80s, while the rest of the band decided to take a more mainstream pop approach. Yet we never hear Brian ranting about the final outcome of their work, and he always mentions to feel very proud of all Queen has done and he has no regrets.
I think you people are very ignorant, and choose to interpret comments in the most negative way.[/QUOTE]
Silly Boy
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=330066><bold>old barrow-boy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]At first it was interesting. Then it became annoying. Now it is embarassing.
Mr Jingles I am completly with you on this.
I can't even begin to argue about the Tribute concert. Read MrJingles' posts once more if you don't get it.
Brian, Roger, John and Freddie are Queen. Look at the banner up to the left on this page. See how they are one. A group. Queen. [/QUOTE]
And read Sebastian's... it was NOT a tribute to Queen, it was a tribute to FREDDIE!
Mr Jingles I am completly with you on this.
I can't even begin to argue about the Tribute concert. Read MrJingles' posts once more if you don't get it.
Brian, Roger, John and Freddie are Queen. Look at the banner up to the left on this page. See how they are one. A group. Queen. [/QUOTE]
And read Sebastian's... it was NOT a tribute to Queen, it was a tribute to FREDDIE!
Wow, when I started this original post, I thought I may get a few responses, then forgotten about....
5 pages later, we are way off topic.
My original post was not about whether or not John & Roger were key members in Queen.
My original post was not about why Brian chose to play only 4 Freddie songs at the Freddie Mercury tribute concert... which is kind of odd since Freddie wrote 58% of all Queen songs, and 68% of the top 40 hits... but anyway...
The original post was about how I feel that while doing it tactfully, and respectfully, lately I feel that Brian has played up his own role he played in Queen, and downplayed Freddie's.
I do not think that Brian should kiss Freddie's ass.... nor do I think Brian should act like Freddie was some god of all music.
Brian's guitar choir wall of sound is a very key role in the Queen sound.... as is John's bass playing (underated) and Roger's drumming (who I personally prefer over Neal Peart and Keith Moon).
Brian, Roger, and John were all key members... all important, any one of the them gone, it wouldn't be the same.... and while its not up for discussion that Freddie was indeed the chief songwriter/arranger, some of all of our favorite Queen songs were written by John, Roger or Brian, and simply wouldn't have happened without them.
I personally feel however, that without each of those 3 men meeting Freddie Mercury, the world would have never known the Thunder of "We Will Rock You".... The pure Rock Raspy vocal, and killer 6/8 timing of "I'm in love with my car".... and John's "Best Friend", or "Spread your Wings" would have never been known by the world, had it not been given a voice by Mr. Mercury.
And Freddie didn't too bad either... I mean what singer would not want to have John Deacon, Roger Taylor, and Brian May as the band supporting their singing????
But it is my belief that had there never been a Freddie Mercury, fame absolutely would have never happened to John, Brian, or Roger.
Like I have stated before, Brian is an intelligent, down to earth, world class musician... I just don't care for the down play of Freddie contribution, and especially his recollection of the 1989-1991 time frame, where as Sebastian has pointed out 300 or 400 times, these are essentially Freddie Mercury albums, with some assistance from the others...
In the past, in his usual clues and riddles way of speech, Brian has hinted that perhaps Freddie was "mostly out of it" while he (Brian) wrote a lion's share of the work those last years.... which we now know the opposite was true.
5 pages later, we are way off topic.
My original post was not about whether or not John & Roger were key members in Queen.
My original post was not about why Brian chose to play only 4 Freddie songs at the Freddie Mercury tribute concert... which is kind of odd since Freddie wrote 58% of all Queen songs, and 68% of the top 40 hits... but anyway...
The original post was about how I feel that while doing it tactfully, and respectfully, lately I feel that Brian has played up his own role he played in Queen, and downplayed Freddie's.
I do not think that Brian should kiss Freddie's ass.... nor do I think Brian should act like Freddie was some god of all music.
Brian's guitar choir wall of sound is a very key role in the Queen sound.... as is John's bass playing (underated) and Roger's drumming (who I personally prefer over Neal Peart and Keith Moon).
Brian, Roger, and John were all key members... all important, any one of the them gone, it wouldn't be the same.... and while its not up for discussion that Freddie was indeed the chief songwriter/arranger, some of all of our favorite Queen songs were written by John, Roger or Brian, and simply wouldn't have happened without them.
I personally feel however, that without each of those 3 men meeting Freddie Mercury, the world would have never known the Thunder of "We Will Rock You".... The pure Rock Raspy vocal, and killer 6/8 timing of "I'm in love with my car".... and John's "Best Friend", or "Spread your Wings" would have never been known by the world, had it not been given a voice by Mr. Mercury.
And Freddie didn't too bad either... I mean what singer would not want to have John Deacon, Roger Taylor, and Brian May as the band supporting their singing????
But it is my belief that had there never been a Freddie Mercury, fame absolutely would have never happened to John, Brian, or Roger.
Like I have stated before, Brian is an intelligent, down to earth, world class musician... I just don't care for the down play of Freddie contribution, and especially his recollection of the 1989-1991 time frame, where as Sebastian has pointed out 300 or 400 times, these are essentially Freddie Mercury albums, with some assistance from the others...
In the past, in his usual clues and riddles way of speech, Brian has hinted that perhaps Freddie was "mostly out of it" while he (Brian) wrote a lion's share of the work those last years.... which we now know the opposite was true.
SomebodyToLove makes a good point when he says that all four band members in fact were not equals. He is right. I mean, Roger Taylor even admits that Freddie Mercury basically re-wrote some of his songs for him. Freddie did the same thing for John as well, in some instances. This is not to say that Roger and John were not talented as well. They just do not have the same songwriting and musical talent as Freddie. That is also probably why the other two do not seem to be so threatened by Freddie. After all, they never got the idea in their heads that they could be on the same level.
Two other things about Brian also bother me. In the first place after Freddie died, he made some comment about how Freddie possessed a "touch of genius." I mean, what the fuck is that supposed to
mean? Why does he have to hedge around like that? Either make a generous comment or don't say anything at all! Another thing was when Brian got really defensive after an interviewer asked whether Freddie was not often the lead musical force in Queen. The interview saw the "Magic Years" video that shows Freddie dictating to Brian and Roger how to play in a way that a producer would. Brian actually accuses Freddie of basically showing off in front of the camara! But yet some other producers who worked in the studio with Queen say that Freddie really did play that type of role a lot.
It just seems sad that Brian has to get so defensive. It is though his ego is more important than the memory of Freddie. It also does not surprise me that Brian says that he is so very depressed all of the time. If he were humble like John Deacon, he would he a lot happier.
Two other things about Brian also bother me. In the first place after Freddie died, he made some comment about how Freddie possessed a "touch of genius." I mean, what the fuck is that supposed to
mean? Why does he have to hedge around like that? Either make a generous comment or don't say anything at all! Another thing was when Brian got really defensive after an interviewer asked whether Freddie was not often the lead musical force in Queen. The interview saw the "Magic Years" video that shows Freddie dictating to Brian and Roger how to play in a way that a producer would. Brian actually accuses Freddie of basically showing off in front of the camara! But yet some other producers who worked in the studio with Queen say that Freddie really did play that type of role a lot.
It just seems sad that Brian has to get so defensive. It is though his ego is more important than the memory of Freddie. It also does not surprise me that Brian says that he is so very depressed all of the time. If he were humble like John Deacon, he would he a lot happier.
anyone who says queen were four equals of importance are full of shit. Brian even said if it wasn't for bo rhap queen would have broken up, also when queens popularity was waning in 1984, it was freddie performance at live aid that got queen going again. Freddie was the chief songwriter/arranger of the band, he took over johns and rogers songs and made them worldwide hits. I do think roger and john had a much greater impact than only 5%, that's absurd!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]anyone who says queen were four equals of importance are full of shit. QUOTE]
We are all full of shit!
We are all full of shit!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Messenger Of Leah wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=330066><bold>old barrow-boy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]At first it was interesting. Then it became annoying. Now it is embarassing.
Mr Jingles I am completly with you on this.
I can't even begin to argue about the Tribute concert. Read MrJingles' posts once more if you don't get it.
Brian, Roger, John and Freddie are Queen. Look at the banner up to the left on this page. See how they are one. A group. Queen. [/QUOTE]
And read Sebastian's... it was NOT a tribute to Queen, it was a tribute to FREDDIE![/QUOTE]
And read this post...It was a tribute put together by Queen. And how many singers will choose to sing Millionaire Waltz or Bicycle race in a stadium concert when they can try on Hammer to Fall or Radio Ga Ga? And singing any Queensong is a tribute to Freddie, since Freddie is associated with those songs. You know the world can not tell who wrote I want to break free. But when it is played on the radio we all think of Queen and remember Freddie.
Mr Jingles I am completly with you on this.
I can't even begin to argue about the Tribute concert. Read MrJingles' posts once more if you don't get it.
Brian, Roger, John and Freddie are Queen. Look at the banner up to the left on this page. See how they are one. A group. Queen. [/QUOTE]
And read Sebastian's... it was NOT a tribute to Queen, it was a tribute to FREDDIE![/QUOTE]
And read this post...It was a tribute put together by Queen. And how many singers will choose to sing Millionaire Waltz or Bicycle race in a stadium concert when they can try on Hammer to Fall or Radio Ga Ga? And singing any Queensong is a tribute to Freddie, since Freddie is associated with those songs. You know the world can not tell who wrote I want to break free. But when it is played on the radio we all think of Queen and remember Freddie.
But, really. This Tribute thing is off topic, like you said in your last post, Scott_Mercury. It should have its own silly thread ;P
I think we should not overestimate some interviews. Let's not forget that interviews are often done to promote a product.
For example, the statement that Freddie said "write me anything etc" was made in connection with the release of Made In Heaven. It would have been odd if they had called it "Made In A Computer" instead and if Brian would have said "Freddie did not give a damn about the left over material but Roger and I feel like having a No.1 album again" (I am NOT saying Brian felt that way!). Brian was fending off a lot of criticism for MIH and to suggest that they were doing Freddie a favour by helping him to work and forget about his illness for some hours was the best possible strategy to silence the critics. And there was sure some truth in it, too.
Such interviews are re-used for documentaries all over and fans keep dissecting some casual words decades later. It's always good to remember the context and not to forget that sometimes they were just some ad hoc comments.
Strangely, that is never done to Freddie. We could fill books with dismissive and rude comments by Freddie but being dead he is not criticized by the fans for them. Instead poor Brian is held accountable for any slight slip of the tongue by the purists of the fan base.
We should look at what the band actually did and judge them for that instead of some interviews. They did stay together for 20 years which proves that they appreciated the importance and musical skills of each other. On the recent tour they had tributes to Freddie all over the set acknowledging his important role in the band 15 years after his death.
For example, the statement that Freddie said "write me anything etc" was made in connection with the release of Made In Heaven. It would have been odd if they had called it "Made In A Computer" instead and if Brian would have said "Freddie did not give a damn about the left over material but Roger and I feel like having a No.1 album again" (I am NOT saying Brian felt that way!). Brian was fending off a lot of criticism for MIH and to suggest that they were doing Freddie a favour by helping him to work and forget about his illness for some hours was the best possible strategy to silence the critics. And there was sure some truth in it, too.
Such interviews are re-used for documentaries all over and fans keep dissecting some casual words decades later. It's always good to remember the context and not to forget that sometimes they were just some ad hoc comments.
Strangely, that is never done to Freddie. We could fill books with dismissive and rude comments by Freddie but being dead he is not criticized by the fans for them. Instead poor Brian is held accountable for any slight slip of the tongue by the purists of the fan base.
We should look at what the band actually did and judge them for that instead of some interviews. They did stay together for 20 years which proves that they appreciated the importance and musical skills of each other. On the recent tour they had tributes to Freddie all over the set acknowledging his important role in the band 15 years after his death.