Maybe they never really went. They probably made it up just to piss people off.
PS. Did they play Man in the Shadows or Hiding in Public?
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Madman
For me it's still to much gigs in South Africa... and don't see a reason to play about 11 gigs there. Well myabe except this that if this venue is only for ~6000 people they wanted to play for more people - each venue in Europe in this time have capacity about 15000 so it will be some reason. 2 concerts and 12000 so like one gig in Europe but... no, it's still to much for one country.
But there is another confusion - for What people they played ? I know that this town is quite rich and probably only for "rich" people they played. But why if Queen idea was to play for "all people" so also for primeval peoples in this continent - but they are poor and don't will be have lot's of money to buy ticket... Realy don't understand...
And don't forget about funny incident on African savanna. So for sure they are week in South Africa.
Lesley Ann Jones in his book mentioned that after that night where Freddie lost voice they have 4 days break.
So if Freddie lost voice 7th then next concert was at least 12th. So Martin's theory is right here.
And who for the first time write concertography when this dates - from 5th to 20th October - was showed ? Ken Dean, press, fan club ?
Brian May for sure don't help use ;)
But there is another confusion - for What people they played ? I know that this town is quite rich and probably only for "rich" people they played. But why if Queen idea was to play for "all people" so also for primeval peoples in this continent - but they are poor and don't will be have lot's of money to buy ticket... Realy don't understand...
And don't forget about funny incident on African savanna. So for sure they are week in South Africa.
Lesley Ann Jones in his book mentioned that after that night where Freddie lost voice they have 4 days break.
So if Freddie lost voice 7th then next concert was at least 12th. So Martin's theory is right here.
And who for the first time write concertography when this dates - from 5th to 20th October - was showed ? Ken Dean, press, fan club ?
Brian May for sure don't help use ;)
Serry...
"Linda Ronstadt gave her concerts in a structure called the Sun City Super Bowl, which really isn't very super. It is just a big auditorium with a red curtain, orange seats and fountains on either side of the stage. The uniformed guards and ushers are black. The crowd that came to see Linda Ronstadt was almost totally...99.44....percent pure-white.
It was also relatively small. There were 6200 seats in the Super Bowl. About half of those were empty."
Linda Ronstadt: Snow White in South Africa
by Aaron Latham (Rolling Stone, August 18, 1983)
"The Superbowl was opened by Frank Sinatra, who was paid $1.6 million for a nine day stand. Performances by US entertainers and athletes any- where in South Africa are very controversial. Anti- apartheid organizations and the United Nations have long advocated a cultural and sports boycott of South Africa. When Ray Charles went in 1981 he was forced to cancel his performance in the black township of Soweto because of strong opposition from the community. US performers who have defied the boycott have come home to criticism and picket lines.
Artists going to Sun City justify themselves by claiming on the one hand that they are not political and on the other that they are not performing in South Africa but in an independent country. They choose to ignore the fact that Bophuthatswana's in- dependence is entirely unrecognized outside South Africa and is rejected by the majority of South Africans.
The big bucks have drawn well-known American stars to Sun City. These include Millie Jackson, Cher, The Beach Boys, Glen Campbell and Linda Ronstadt.
Audiences are not officially segregated at Sun City. But the cost of the more expensive tickets often makes this the de facto reality. Liza Minelli performed her opening night to a crowd of 4,500 people, of which about 200 were black. There was only one black face in the most expensive seatsthe rest were high up in the auditorium in seats that sold for $13.00. And Southern Sun, which owns the hotel, admitted to giving tickets to blacks free. It does this not out of generosity but so that artists do not per- form to all-white audiences. "I don't mind about anything except that I'm playing in front of mixed audiences," said Liza Minelli, ignoring the fact that by performing there she was helping apartheid score propaganda points."
"Many famous musicians such as Queen and Elton John also performed at the Sun City Super Bowl, a large auditorium which seats 6,200." (Wikipedia)
Bryan Adams played 5 shows there too in April 1994 just during one week. I think that's because of contract between musicians and owners of Super Bowl - several shows or nothing at all.
It was also relatively small. There were 6200 seats in the Super Bowl. About half of those were empty."
Linda Ronstadt: Snow White in South Africa
by Aaron Latham (Rolling Stone, August 18, 1983)
"The Superbowl was opened by Frank Sinatra, who was paid $1.6 million for a nine day stand. Performances by US entertainers and athletes any- where in South Africa are very controversial. Anti- apartheid organizations and the United Nations have long advocated a cultural and sports boycott of South Africa. When Ray Charles went in 1981 he was forced to cancel his performance in the black township of Soweto because of strong opposition from the community. US performers who have defied the boycott have come home to criticism and picket lines.
Artists going to Sun City justify themselves by claiming on the one hand that they are not political and on the other that they are not performing in South Africa but in an independent country. They choose to ignore the fact that Bophuthatswana's in- dependence is entirely unrecognized outside South Africa and is rejected by the majority of South Africans.
The big bucks have drawn well-known American stars to Sun City. These include Millie Jackson, Cher, The Beach Boys, Glen Campbell and Linda Ronstadt.
Audiences are not officially segregated at Sun City. But the cost of the more expensive tickets often makes this the de facto reality. Liza Minelli performed her opening night to a crowd of 4,500 people, of which about 200 were black. There was only one black face in the most expensive seatsthe rest were high up in the auditorium in seats that sold for $13.00. And Southern Sun, which owns the hotel, admitted to giving tickets to blacks free. It does this not out of generosity but so that artists do not per- form to all-white audiences. "I don't mind about anything except that I'm playing in front of mixed audiences," said Liza Minelli, ignoring the fact that by performing there she was helping apartheid score propaganda points."
"Many famous musicians such as Queen and Elton John also performed at the Sun City Super Bowl, a large auditorium which seats 6,200." (Wikipedia)
Bryan Adams played 5 shows there too in April 1994 just during one week. I think that's because of contract between musicians and owners of Super Bowl - several shows or nothing at all.
wstüssyb
Little off topic,
My old friend who went to 3 shows( Cannot remember which, if in a row or a night here and a night in the middle and end) told me in a email long ago, the setlist were the same every night, said by the 3rd show he was already bored somewhat and gave or sold away his tickets for the final show.
My old friend who went to 3 shows( Cannot remember which, if in a row or a night here and a night in the middle and end) told me in a email long ago, the setlist were the same every night, said by the 3rd show he was already bored somewhat and gave or sold away his tickets for the final show.
FriedChicken
Maybe the sun city gigs are the biggest Queen related hoaxes :D
Even the people from the music industry are in it
Even the people from the music industry are in it
Mr. Scully
Btw., there are no tour dates in the South African tourbook...
Richy Mercury
Somebody needs to ask Mr. Brooks.
Rick
Okay, who wants to risk his life? :-P
jasen101
My parents went to one of the Sun City shows...I asked my mom and she said that as far as she remembers Freddie Lost his voice on opening night and some shows were cancelled...my parents were lucky enough to have had tickets on the first night the shows resumed....i think the 12th. She remembers reading in the papers that the tabloids had printed rumours about Freddie having many male escorts up to his hotel suite...don't jump on me for saying this...but it was reported!
FYI: the shows were not segregated...Sun City, at that time...wasn't technically in the country of South Africa...it was in a seperate country called Bhaputatswana...(forgive my spelling) in which there was no aparteid.
FYI: the shows were not segregated...Sun City, at that time...wasn't technically in the country of South Africa...it was in a seperate country called Bhaputatswana...(forgive my spelling) in which there was no aparteid.
Bobby_brown
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jasen101 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My parents went to one of the Sun City shows...I asked my mom and she said that as far as she remembers Freddie Lost his voice on opening night and some shows were cancelled...my parents were lucky enough to have had tickets on the first night the shows resumed....i think the 12th. She remembers reading in the papers that the tabloids had printed rumours about Freddie having many male escorts up to his hotel suite...don't jump on me for saying this...but it was reported!
FYI: the shows were not segregated...Sun City, at that time...wasn't technically in the country of South Africa...it was in a seperate country called Bhaputatswana...(forgive my spelling) in which there was no aparteid.[/QUOTE]
Don´t you guys have in South Africa a place where you can read old newspapers (I don´t know the english name for this). Kind of a Papers library, where you could read what really happened in that Queen period over there?
Take care
FYI: the shows were not segregated...Sun City, at that time...wasn't technically in the country of South Africa...it was in a seperate country called Bhaputatswana...(forgive my spelling) in which there was no aparteid.[/QUOTE]
Don´t you guys have in South Africa a place where you can read old newspapers (I don´t know the english name for this). Kind of a Papers library, where you could read what really happened in that Queen period over there?
Take care
Celia
I was at the 5th October 1984 Queen show live at Sun City.
The show was absolutely spectacular and I am not surprised Freddie's voice started giving in...
The air was sooooo dry, we as travellers from Pietermaritzburg were suffering immensely from the heat and dehydration.
Freddie's voice started to crack up the 1st night (the concert we attended) but hey, in true form to the amazing showster he was, the SHOW WENT ON!!
I am so chuffed that I can say I saw them LIVE at Sun City. We had no idea that Freddie was ill and would die in a few years, but what a true LEGEND. I lived and breathed Queen.
The movie has again awakened the Queen spark and I am sure millions of fans across the world pay tribute to this phenomenal band. They were the CHAMPIONS!!
The show was absolutely spectacular and I am not surprised Freddie's voice started giving in...
The air was sooooo dry, we as travellers from Pietermaritzburg were suffering immensely from the heat and dehydration.
Freddie's voice started to crack up the 1st night (the concert we attended) but hey, in true form to the amazing showster he was, the SHOW WENT ON!!
I am so chuffed that I can say I saw them LIVE at Sun City. We had no idea that Freddie was ill and would die in a few years, but what a true LEGEND. I lived and breathed Queen.
The movie has again awakened the Queen spark and I am sure millions of fans across the world pay tribute to this phenomenal band. They were the CHAMPIONS!!
aristide1
Nice to hear that also Afrikaners "were suffering immensely", although your standards for suffering do not coincide with those of your unfortunate compatriots.
thomasquinn 32989
[QUOTE] [b]aristide1 wrote:[/b]
Nice to hear that also Afrikaners "were suffering immensely", although your standards for suffering do not coincide with those of your unfortunate compatriots.[/QUOTE]
Bravo, well said! My mother is from Namibia, which was illegally occupied by South Africa. She saw this world with her own eyes. And, btw, in Namibia, black people and white British and German people were united against Afrikaner oppression.
Nice to hear that also Afrikaners "were suffering immensely", although your standards for suffering do not coincide with those of your unfortunate compatriots.[/QUOTE]
Bravo, well said! My mother is from Namibia, which was illegally occupied by South Africa. She saw this world with her own eyes. And, btw, in Namibia, black people and white British and German people were united against Afrikaner oppression.
Holly2003
What a lovely way to welcome someone to the forum...
Hello Celia. Thanks for sharing your memories of the show. Very little is known about these concerts so any info you have is very welcome.
Hello Celia. Thanks for sharing your memories of the show. Very little is known about these concerts so any info you have is very welcome.
Blackvy
Welcome Celia :)
As Holly2003 said, if you have any other info about these concerts, it'll be appreciated.
As Holly2003 said, if you have any other info about these concerts, it'll be appreciated.