[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]scallyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs.
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There may have been a thriving trade in place, but it certainly expanded greatly when a new need for slaves opened up in North and South America. I think it is fair to say that white Europeans exploited a system for their own needs.
But regardless, the slave trade to the US, for which you would point the finger at Africans, ended in 1808. Slavery, however, did not end in the US for another 55+ years. The fact that continued to exist for over half a century lays some of the blame on whites.
Now, just to be clear, I find Jellybean Queen's comments pretty ignorant and uneducated. But I also think "pointing the finger where it belongs" overlooks the facts as well.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]scallyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]and enslaved another (African Americans)..
but hey, thats in the past, so it doesnt matter...(sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
I wish someone - anyone - would get their facts right about slavery. White americans (or brits for that matter) didn't start the slave trade. When they started exploring in Africa they found a thriving trade in slaves already existing. It was Black Africans who sold their own slaves and prisoners from other tribes to "the white man". Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs. Yes white people used slaves -who were sold to them by black people . Live with the guilt if you feel any otherwise accept that black people probably wouldn't be in the USA without the trade.
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WTF?
Oh...So all in all it was a good trade?
You are right: SOMEONE should get their facts right - but not just anyone.
but hey, thats in the past, so it doesnt matter...(sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
I wish someone - anyone - would get their facts right about slavery. White americans (or brits for that matter) didn't start the slave trade. When they started exploring in Africa they found a thriving trade in slaves already existing. It was Black Africans who sold their own slaves and prisoners from other tribes to "the white man". Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs. Yes white people used slaves -who were sold to them by black people . Live with the guilt if you feel any otherwise accept that black people probably wouldn't be in the USA without the trade.
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WTF?
Oh...So all in all it was a good trade?
You are right: SOMEONE should get their facts right - but not just anyone.
Either way, the fact is, those responsible for the slave trade are long dead...all of them. There's nothing more to worry about concerning slavery. Those who have oppressed the Native Americans...all dead. Therefore, no one is left to blame. The end. No more, "Well, at least my country never did this," or "My country did this way back when before I was even born." It's all moot. Especially claims of hypocrisy.
There was a documentary on all this a few years ago, sheesh
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Either way, the fact is, those responsible for the slave trade are long dead...all of them. There's nothing more to worry about concerning slavery. Those who have oppressed the Native Americans...all dead. Therefore, no one is left to blame. The end. No more, "Well, at least my country never did this," or "My country did this way back when before I was even born." It's all moot. Especially claims of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]
Well, I agree to some point. If you don't know your history you might have difficulties understanding your present and forming your future.
Well, I agree to some point. If you don't know your history you might have difficulties understanding your present and forming your future.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]scallyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]and enslaved another (African Americans)..
but hey, thats in the past, so it doesnt matter...(sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
I wish someone - anyone - would get their facts right about slavery. White americans (or brits for that matter) didn't start the slave trade. When they started exploring in Africa they found a thriving trade in slaves already existing. It was Black Africans who sold their own slaves and prisoners from other tribes to "the white man". Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs. Yes white people used slaves -who were sold to them by black people . Live with the guilt if you feel any otherwise accept that black people probably wouldn't be in the USA without the trade.
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Trust me dear, (and as being a black person myself, and no, we wouldnt be here if their wasnt a slave trade) I dont doubt anything that you are saying, but two wrong dont make it right!!!!!!!! I know that the past cannot be changed, me personally... I just think the US goverment tries to downplay everything, the US citizen here in general always downplay everything. I think the slave trave was horrible (its horrible taking away anyones freedom to do what they please, and to me personally, I think that native americans were just as enslaved as black people were, not to mention asian people during WW2, no one hardly ever talks about that!!!!) And if it were the other way around, I think it would have been just as bad (blacks enslaving whites). I just dont like the way people (that even includings other black people sadly) downplay things. I dont think they need to talk about it everyday, but I just dont like they way our goverment puts on this face like their trying to help someone, but their really just looking out for themselves!!!
Especially in relations to Iraq....they could care less about those people, as long as they get their oil, thats all G-dubbaya n' company cares about!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!! And sadly, thats what the slave trade was about also....MONEY!!!! And thats the problem...people put MONEY first before respect and dignity for a basic human right like FREEDOM!!!!
No offense to you about what I said, but the truth is the TRUTH!!!!!! And I cant help but tell the truth...!!!!
but hey, thats in the past, so it doesnt matter...(sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
I wish someone - anyone - would get their facts right about slavery. White americans (or brits for that matter) didn't start the slave trade. When they started exploring in Africa they found a thriving trade in slaves already existing. It was Black Africans who sold their own slaves and prisoners from other tribes to "the white man". Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs. Yes white people used slaves -who were sold to them by black people . Live with the guilt if you feel any otherwise accept that black people probably wouldn't be in the USA without the trade.
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Trust me dear, (and as being a black person myself, and no, we wouldnt be here if their wasnt a slave trade) I dont doubt anything that you are saying, but two wrong dont make it right!!!!!!!! I know that the past cannot be changed, me personally... I just think the US goverment tries to downplay everything, the US citizen here in general always downplay everything. I think the slave trave was horrible (its horrible taking away anyones freedom to do what they please, and to me personally, I think that native americans were just as enslaved as black people were, not to mention asian people during WW2, no one hardly ever talks about that!!!!) And if it were the other way around, I think it would have been just as bad (blacks enslaving whites). I just dont like the way people (that even includings other black people sadly) downplay things. I dont think they need to talk about it everyday, but I just dont like they way our goverment puts on this face like their trying to help someone, but their really just looking out for themselves!!!
Especially in relations to Iraq....they could care less about those people, as long as they get their oil, thats all G-dubbaya n' company cares about!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!! And sadly, thats what the slave trade was about also....MONEY!!!! And thats the problem...people put MONEY first before respect and dignity for a basic human right like FREEDOM!!!!
No offense to you about what I said, but the truth is the TRUTH!!!!!! And I cant help but tell the truth...!!!!
Right on, Jellybean! Right ON!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=336600>ChinesedogTorture wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Right on, Jellybean! Right ON![/QUOTE]
Thanks Chinese. Its not really a racial issue that I'm talking about here. Its just the simple fact that people put MONEY before basic human needs and rights. There is no reason why people (especially children) should have to go a night without eating, because the goverment is too selfish and greedy to take care of its people (not talking about the states) but under-developed countries, the 3rd world. No reason.
Dont give me wrong, I love being an US American citizen ( I love being a WORLD citizen period!!), I feel very blessed to live in a country where I dont have to worry about where I'm gonna sleep, what I'm gonna eat, and where employment is out there, as long as you can find it. (And I'm not downplaying any other countries out there either)I'm just saying that the US puts on this 'face' like their perfect, and they make all over countries looks like their their bad or something...I personally dont like it, and I believe something bad is gonna happen to us one day, and the sad thing is that its not gonna be our fault... :(
Thanks Chinese. Its not really a racial issue that I'm talking about here. Its just the simple fact that people put MONEY before basic human needs and rights. There is no reason why people (especially children) should have to go a night without eating, because the goverment is too selfish and greedy to take care of its people (not talking about the states) but under-developed countries, the 3rd world. No reason.
Dont give me wrong, I love being an US American citizen ( I love being a WORLD citizen period!!), I feel very blessed to live in a country where I dont have to worry about where I'm gonna sleep, what I'm gonna eat, and where employment is out there, as long as you can find it. (And I'm not downplaying any other countries out there either)I'm just saying that the US puts on this 'face' like their perfect, and they make all over countries looks like their their bad or something...I personally dont like it, and I believe something bad is gonna happen to us one day, and the sad thing is that its not gonna be our fault... :(
It has to be said that there is one born every minute, if you really believe they didn't land on the moon, then you really are pretty gullible, these conspiracy theories are very funny, but just made up by nutcases, I will not even bother to show you the evidence as others here have at least gone some way to show you. but Brother you take the biscuit.
still sucks being NA lol
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]scallyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<B>Jellybean Queen<h6>sweetbodykisses<B> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]and enslaved another (African Americans)..
but hey, thats in the past, so it doesnt matter...(sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
I wish someone - anyone - would get their facts right about slavery. White americans (or brits for that matter) didn't start the slave trade. When they started exploring in Africa they found a thriving trade in slaves already existing. It was Black Africans who sold their own slaves and prisoners from other tribes to "the white man". Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs. Yes white people used slaves -who were sold to them by black people . Live with the guilt if you feel any otherwise accept that black people probably wouldn't be in the USA without the trade.
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Trust me dear, (and as being a black person myself, and no, we wouldnt be here if their wasnt a slave trade) I dont doubt anything that you are saying, but two wrong dont make it right!!!!!!!! I know that the past cannot be changed, me personally... I just think the US goverment tries to downplay everything, the US citizen here in general always downplay everything. I think the slave trave was horrible (its horrible taking away anyones freedom to do what they please, and to me personally, I think that native americans were just as enslaved as black people were, not to mention asian people during WW2, no one hardly ever talks about that!!!!) And if it were the other way around, I think it would have been just as bad (blacks enslaving whites). I just dont like the way people (that even includings other black people sadly) downplay things. I dont think they need to talk about it everyday, but I just dont like they way our goverment puts on this face like their trying to help someone, but their really just looking out for themselves!!!
Especially in relations to Iraq....they could care less about those people, as long as they get their oil, thats all G-dubbaya n' company cares about!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!! And sadly, thats what the slave trade was about also....MONEY!!!! And thats the problem...people put MONEY first before respect and dignity for a basic human right like FREEDOM!!!!
No offense to you about what I said, but the truth is the TRUTH!!!!!! And I cant help but tell the truth...!!!![/QUOTE]
I understand where you are coming from, but from another perspective, it seems completely logical that the American people should dissociate themselves, or "downplay" such things as the oppression of the Native Americans and the slave trade. It is because the American government and the American people are wrongly being accused of such actions, or responsibility for them is being wrongly placed in their hands. If you were being held responsible for something that some person you did not even know did, then would you not try to downplay or dissociate yourself from this thing?
As far as the money/government/GWB-thing, I'm fairly certain that it's far deeper and more complicated than you could even imagine. There are a thousand things to consider, and it's ridiculous to think that the President is acting solely under the premise of avarice. Greed is a very overused criticism that seldom holds merit.
"Why are the prices for x and y so high?"
"Well, large corporations are greedy so they like to gouge prices."
Such conversations as these make me shiver in disgust at the blatant displays of ignorance.
but hey, thats in the past, so it doesnt matter...(sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
I wish someone - anyone - would get their facts right about slavery. White americans (or brits for that matter) didn't start the slave trade. When they started exploring in Africa they found a thriving trade in slaves already existing. It was Black Africans who sold their own slaves and prisoners from other tribes to "the white man". Forget the white man's burden and start pointing the finger where it belongs. Yes white people used slaves -who were sold to them by black people . Live with the guilt if you feel any otherwise accept that black people probably wouldn't be in the USA without the trade.
[/QUOTE]
Trust me dear, (and as being a black person myself, and no, we wouldnt be here if their wasnt a slave trade) I dont doubt anything that you are saying, but two wrong dont make it right!!!!!!!! I know that the past cannot be changed, me personally... I just think the US goverment tries to downplay everything, the US citizen here in general always downplay everything. I think the slave trave was horrible (its horrible taking away anyones freedom to do what they please, and to me personally, I think that native americans were just as enslaved as black people were, not to mention asian people during WW2, no one hardly ever talks about that!!!!) And if it were the other way around, I think it would have been just as bad (blacks enslaving whites). I just dont like the way people (that even includings other black people sadly) downplay things. I dont think they need to talk about it everyday, but I just dont like they way our goverment puts on this face like their trying to help someone, but their really just looking out for themselves!!!
Especially in relations to Iraq....they could care less about those people, as long as they get their oil, thats all G-dubbaya n' company cares about!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!! And sadly, thats what the slave trade was about also....MONEY!!!! And thats the problem...people put MONEY first before respect and dignity for a basic human right like FREEDOM!!!!
No offense to you about what I said, but the truth is the TRUTH!!!!!! And I cant help but tell the truth...!!!![/QUOTE]
I understand where you are coming from, but from another perspective, it seems completely logical that the American people should dissociate themselves, or "downplay" such things as the oppression of the Native Americans and the slave trade. It is because the American government and the American people are wrongly being accused of such actions, or responsibility for them is being wrongly placed in their hands. If you were being held responsible for something that some person you did not even know did, then would you not try to downplay or dissociate yourself from this thing?
As far as the money/government/GWB-thing, I'm fairly certain that it's far deeper and more complicated than you could even imagine. There are a thousand things to consider, and it's ridiculous to think that the President is acting solely under the premise of avarice. Greed is a very overused criticism that seldom holds merit.
"Why are the prices for x and y so high?"
"Well, large corporations are greedy so they like to gouge prices."
Such conversations as these make me shiver in disgust at the blatant displays of ignorance.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adolfo wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]+++MatiasMay+++<h6><i>The Rainmaker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]poppy, will you marry me?[/QUOTE]
actually poppy is quite good looking[/QUOTE]
She sure is :D.. RAW!
actually poppy is quite good looking[/QUOTE]
She sure is :D.. RAW!
There's a lot of of greed and corruption going on on the higher positions of power, and it's not only in America.
I think Jellybean brings out a good point, althought she might get carried away on some of her statements. I wouldn't call it ignorant if you ask me.
I think Jellybean brings out a good point, althought she might get carried away on some of her statements. I wouldn't call it ignorant if you ask me.
I apologize if it was construed that I said that she was ignorant. The ignorance I referred to was those who engage in such conversations as I outlined (which would be the extreme case). In fact, she made a decent point, and I had liked to elaborate upon it, and also to point out a minor criticism.
If i may add one other thing in regards to the slavery thing... The Dutch East (i believe) India Trading Co brought some slaves for trade to the colonies in the 1600's, and that was kinda the seedlings for slavery in the US, anyway, hope that may shed some light on things (or not i duno)...
But that still doesnt make it right. And its not something that should be forgotten, but it something that we cannot place blame on anymore. We are no more responsible for what our forefathers did than what those 200 yrs from now will be responsible for what we did.
They will have to deal with unfortunatly like ourselves, the backlash of certain actions. But they cannot be blamed for it.
And as far as this threads concerned, good god, education has seriously gone downhill... so i wont even waste my time on such foolishness...
believe what you want... its only been scientifically proven, and you cant prove other wise...
But that still doesnt make it right. And its not something that should be forgotten, but it something that we cannot place blame on anymore. We are no more responsible for what our forefathers did than what those 200 yrs from now will be responsible for what we did.
They will have to deal with unfortunatly like ourselves, the backlash of certain actions. But they cannot be blamed for it.
And as far as this threads concerned, good god, education has seriously gone downhill... so i wont even waste my time on such foolishness...
believe what you want... its only been scientifically proven, and you cant prove other wise...