[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob-Plant wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Two points I'd like to throw out here for consideration;
1) As far as Innuendo being an example of a weak drumming track; Roger did indeed write it and he has stated that it was a conscious attempt to do a "Led Zeppelin type song". Perhaps he was trying to emulate John Bonham's style of drumming? It certainly sounds unlike anything else Roger had done in the past.
2) While I don't neccessarily agree with this line of thinking, many people think that when Queen started using Mack, he recorded things very differently than RT Baker. Perhaps he didn't emphasize drumming or encourage experimental efforts?
I think Roger had some very good drum tracks in the 80's-as stated above, a great example would be "Back to Humans" and the little bit in the middle of "One Vision" is pretty good too.[/QUOTE]
Freddie wrote the majority of the track Innuendo. This has been discussed many times.
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Songs of LZep with drum resemblences to Innuendo:
Kashmir
When The Levee Breaks
Kashmir
When The Levee Breaks
Roger's drumming was better live. If you like faster drumming then listen to heavy metal bands.
only yime i remember roger and weak drums is live killers - even that sounds ok if u haven't listened to it in a while.
rogers drumming has always been good - was it all worth it etc class.
but ya show must go on a bit lousy etc...
but the main thing that disappoints me was freddies lack of piano playing in the 80's cos he was unique at the piano (not the best like mozart or anything!).
rogers drumming has always been good - was it all worth it etc class.
but ya show must go on a bit lousy etc...
but the main thing that disappoints me was freddies lack of piano playing in the 80's cos he was unique at the piano (not the best like mozart or anything!).
i think the drumming of rogers is evident it the song hammer to fall. i'm a big fan of the 80's queen generation. i think in the terms of looks they looked really good!for the past month i have been listening to all my queen ablums in order by #. starting with the first song on the first queen ablum and all the #1 songs all way up to the the last song on a the albums. and i have noticed that the queen songs in the 80's were more pop like than rock so that would make roger's drumming not as noticeable(sorry if spelled incorrectly)
i have a question for mr. mike hunt. what part of new york do you live in?
i have a question for mr. mike hunt. what part of new york do you live in?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Digitube wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And indeed, Mack recorded the drums very different than RT Baker. RT usually mikes the drums with 12 mics or even more, and Mack used only four mics. Queen was very enthousiastic about Mack's recording. Freddie once said that Mack would get a better drumsound just using 4 mics than other engineer's using 12 mics.[/QUOTE]
Prior to recording with Mack, I never hear/heard Roger use the open hi-hat with the snare. Obviously he adapted his style/technique for a new sound engineer and took advantage by creating new sounds. If that means you're a weak drummer, than so be it!
And indeed, Mack recorded the drums very different than RT Baker. RT usually mikes the drums with 12 mics or even more, and Mack used only four mics. Queen was very enthousiastic about Mack's recording. Freddie once said that Mack would get a better drumsound just using 4 mics than other engineer's using 12 mics.[/QUOTE]
Prior to recording with Mack, I never hear/heard Roger use the open hi-hat with the snare. Obviously he adapted his style/technique for a new sound engineer and took advantage by creating new sounds. If that means you're a weak drummer, than so be it!
Maybe it sounds different because he did not play himself anymore but let the drum computer do it...
At least Queen were rich enough that they did not have to rely on the Korg M1 drum sounds exclusively.
At least Queen were rich enough that they did not have to rely on the Korg M1 drum sounds exclusively.
I love Roger's skill. I do admit, maybe his style changed in the later years, but he is still the god of percussion to me!!! I love him!
Maybe Mr. Hunt could listen to Princes of the Universe, Dragon Attack, One Visión, I want it All, Was is all Worthy,Hammer To fall, Under Pressure; maybe Roger wasn´t so "lazy".I think there´s also omething of Roger´s work in the delicate numbers in Queen´s 80 stuff.
People often think that playing drums or guitar faster or "noisy"...is better that a soft or intricate style...that´s why there many stupid players more known than Brian, John or Roger...then you lack, melody and harmony in your songs....Cheers
People often think that playing drums or guitar faster or "noisy"...is better that a soft or intricate style...that´s why there many stupid players more known than Brian, John or Roger...then you lack, melody and harmony in your songs....Cheers
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]marcio17@queenzone.com wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Maybe Mr. Hunt could listen to Princes of the Universe, Dragon Attack, One Visión, I want it All, Was is all Worthy,Hammer To fall, Under Pressure; maybe Roger wasn´t so "lazy".I think there´s also omething of Roger´s work in the delicate numbers in Queen´s 80 stuff.
People often think that playing drums or guitar faster or "noisy"...is better that a soft or intricate style...that´s why there many stupid players more known than Brian, John or Roger...then you lack, melody and harmony in your songs....Cheers[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU! Perfectly said!
People often think that playing drums or guitar faster or "noisy"...is better that a soft or intricate style...that´s why there many stupid players more known than Brian, John or Roger...then you lack, melody and harmony in your songs....Cheers[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU! Perfectly said!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Digitube wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]people on these boards usually kill eighties queen, pointing out freddie lack of piano work or songwriting, also brians weaker guitar tracks like tear it up. I personally like the majority of their eighties stuff, but it could have been much better. The one reason why queens sound in the eighties sounded weak more than anything had to do with rogers drum sound, and lack of speed and power that he had in the 70's. In 1991 queen put out their best since the great 70's despite roger talyors weak drum work. Just think how much better Innuendo could have been with a better drummer. again, I think roger was great in the 70's, but he was pretty weak in the 80's and early 90's. Anyone agree? [/QUOTE]
BULLSHIT MR. HUNT!
First of all, the "weaker" drumming had to do with style changes. Does a drummer always has to be quicker than lightning to be considered any good? NO of course, sheer rubbish!
And about Innuendo: I think that's the best Queen song ever, even better than Bo Rap or MOTBQ, and the drumming is not that easy on that one.
Just try it yourself? You'll find out.
Also I'd like to remember you that the person that actually WROTE Innuendo IS: Mr. Roger Meddows-Taylor.
When songs are poppy and have a straightforward 4/4 beat, there's no use for any fast/fancy drumming. It will ruin the track then.
Only drummers with an overblown ego will put fancy drumming in the track then. When a track should be danceble (and hey, were talking 80's!) the drumtrack should be kept simple. Amen.
And on the 80's drumsound: what about Under Pressure during the high note?
What about Machines? Man on the prowl? Princes of the universe? Kashoggi's ship? Was it all worth it? And the B-side Stealin'? Ride the wild wind?
Music changes, and so does the drumming together with it. The one fab thing about Queen, is that they refused to do the same stuff over and over again. They invented new sounds on every album. The diversity of tracks is immense.
It's only that the 70's work of Queen was suitable for fast and fancy drumming. The 80's work wasn't. Has nothing to do with Roger's skills, but just with the changing musical style.
Oh and for God's sake....stop this picking on Roger. I've seen it in different topics, and it really pisses me off...but I think that was obvient already.[/QUOTE]
Cheers mate!
BULLSHIT MR. HUNT!
First of all, the "weaker" drumming had to do with style changes. Does a drummer always has to be quicker than lightning to be considered any good? NO of course, sheer rubbish!
And about Innuendo: I think that's the best Queen song ever, even better than Bo Rap or MOTBQ, and the drumming is not that easy on that one.
Just try it yourself? You'll find out.
Also I'd like to remember you that the person that actually WROTE Innuendo IS: Mr. Roger Meddows-Taylor.
When songs are poppy and have a straightforward 4/4 beat, there's no use for any fast/fancy drumming. It will ruin the track then.
Only drummers with an overblown ego will put fancy drumming in the track then. When a track should be danceble (and hey, were talking 80's!) the drumtrack should be kept simple. Amen.
And on the 80's drumsound: what about Under Pressure during the high note?
What about Machines? Man on the prowl? Princes of the universe? Kashoggi's ship? Was it all worth it? And the B-side Stealin'? Ride the wild wind?
Music changes, and so does the drumming together with it. The one fab thing about Queen, is that they refused to do the same stuff over and over again. They invented new sounds on every album. The diversity of tracks is immense.
It's only that the 70's work of Queen was suitable for fast and fancy drumming. The 80's work wasn't. Has nothing to do with Roger's skills, but just with the changing musical style.
Oh and for God's sake....stop this picking on Roger. I've seen it in different topics, and it really pisses me off...but I think that was obvient already.[/QUOTE]
Cheers mate!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]All I Hear Is Radio Gaga wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Digitube wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]people on these boards usually kill eighties queen, pointing out freddie lack of piano work or songwriting, also brians weaker guitar tracks like tear it up. I personally like the majority of their eighties stuff, but it could have been much better. The one reason why queens sound in the eighties sounded weak more than anything had to do with rogers drum sound, and lack of speed and power that he had in the 70's. In 1991 queen put out their best since the great 70's despite roger talyors weak drum work. Just think how much better Innuendo could have been with a better drummer. again, I think roger was great in the 70's, but he was pretty weak in the 80's and early 90's. Anyone agree? [/QUOTE]
BULLSHIT MR. HUNT!
First of all, the "weaker" drumming had to do with style changes. Does a drummer always has to be quicker than lightning to be considered any good? NO of course, sheer rubbish!
And about Innuendo: I think that's the best Queen song ever, even better than Bo Rap or MOTBQ, and the drumming is not that easy on that one.
Just try it yourself? You'll find out.
Also I'd like to remember you that the person that actually WROTE Innuendo IS: Mr. Roger Meddows-Taylor.
When songs are poppy and have a straightforward 4/4 beat, there's no use for any fast/fancy drumming. It will ruin the track then.
Only drummers with an overblown ego will put fancy drumming in the track then. When a track should be danceble (and hey, were talking 80's!) the drumtrack should be kept simple. Amen.
And on the 80's drumsound: what about Under Pressure during the high note?
What about Machines? Man on the prowl? Princes of the universe? Kashoggi's ship? Was it all worth it? And the B-side Stealin'? Ride the wild wind?
Music changes, and so does the drumming together with it. The one fab thing about Queen, is that they refused to do the same stuff over and over again. They invented new sounds on every album. The diversity of tracks is immense.
It's only that the 70's work of Queen was suitable for fast and fancy drumming. The 80's work wasn't. Has nothing to do with Roger's skills, but just with the changing musical style.
Oh and for God's sake....stop this picking on Roger. I've seen it in different topics, and it really pisses me off...but I think that was obvient already.[/QUOTE]
Cheers mate![/QUOTE]
THANK YOU!!! You have made the most sense in this thread!
BULLSHIT MR. HUNT!
First of all, the "weaker" drumming had to do with style changes. Does a drummer always has to be quicker than lightning to be considered any good? NO of course, sheer rubbish!
And about Innuendo: I think that's the best Queen song ever, even better than Bo Rap or MOTBQ, and the drumming is not that easy on that one.
Just try it yourself? You'll find out.
Also I'd like to remember you that the person that actually WROTE Innuendo IS: Mr. Roger Meddows-Taylor.
When songs are poppy and have a straightforward 4/4 beat, there's no use for any fast/fancy drumming. It will ruin the track then.
Only drummers with an overblown ego will put fancy drumming in the track then. When a track should be danceble (and hey, were talking 80's!) the drumtrack should be kept simple. Amen.
And on the 80's drumsound: what about Under Pressure during the high note?
What about Machines? Man on the prowl? Princes of the universe? Kashoggi's ship? Was it all worth it? And the B-side Stealin'? Ride the wild wind?
Music changes, and so does the drumming together with it. The one fab thing about Queen, is that they refused to do the same stuff over and over again. They invented new sounds on every album. The diversity of tracks is immense.
It's only that the 70's work of Queen was suitable for fast and fancy drumming. The 80's work wasn't. Has nothing to do with Roger's skills, but just with the changing musical style.
Oh and for God's sake....stop this picking on Roger. I've seen it in different topics, and it really pisses me off...but I think that was obvient already.[/QUOTE]
Cheers mate![/QUOTE]
THANK YOU!!! You have made the most sense in this thread!
YOU ROCK Digitube!
even if his drumming did suck, he wrote better and more popular songs in the 80s such as A Kind Of Magic, Radio Ga Ga, he did Breakthru and Days of our lives and the Invisible man and stuff....
To "wembly 86", I live in staten Island new york. To everyone who thinks roger wrote innuendo is showing your ignorance, most of that brilliant song was written by freddie mercury. Roger was a very good drummer but he's not nearly the best. You people must not listen to much music, I think pert and mcbrian from iron maiden were both better eighties drummers.