I've just finished reading this and found it ok on the whole with some nice pictures but I have a question or so.
At the back of the book in the blurb it states at the end "For Hutton that day marked the beginning of a living nightmare." I really don't see how it was such a nightmare. I felt that Jim's writings on the relationship between Mary and himself was incomplete and somewhat biased. Why did they just start disliking each other so much? If Freddie wanted to leave Mary the house, why couldnt Jim respect that? What did he expect? And how the hell would he expect to maintain the house if Freddie did give it to him. Mary was much more trustworthy in my opinion and Freddie was aware she had to raise a family so the house wouldve been much better for her. Jim's whole anger thing over Mary icing him out of the house seems like a touch of bitter jealousy to me. My lack of trust towards Jim comes from how he viewed the moods and streams of thoughts of Freddie and those around him. Sometimes he just states things like "Freddie and so and so never talked any more after that". Plus his lack of emotion when he saw Peter Freestone in Freddie's house.
On the whole it lacks emotion and 'thoughts of the time' as well as rationality.
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I reckon he was jealous.
He also portrayed his real view on Mary when talking about Freddie's ring.
"Mary could say some clumsy things, but perhaps she said them without thinking. One day she suggested that we should ask Freddie to take off the wedding ring that I'd given to him, as when her mother had died her fingers had swollen badly."
"The ring stays on, Mary," I said.
He also portrayed his real view on Mary when talking about Freddie's ring.
"Mary could say some clumsy things, but perhaps she said them without thinking. One day she suggested that we should ask Freddie to take off the wedding ring that I'd given to him, as when her mother had died her fingers had swollen badly."
"The ring stays on, Mary," I said.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vinny2256_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Plus his lack of emotion when he saw Peter Freestone in Freddie's house.
On the whole it lacks emotion and 'thoughts of the time' as well as rationality.
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Hi, im still debating wether or not to read the book, would you mind elaborating at all on the lack of emotion you mentioned above? I've heard so many things about this book that i'm wondering wether or not its worth going out and looking for.
On the whole it lacks emotion and 'thoughts of the time' as well as rationality.
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Hi, im still debating wether or not to read the book, would you mind elaborating at all on the lack of emotion you mentioned above? I've heard so many things about this book that i'm wondering wether or not its worth going out and looking for.
I really don't want to hurt Jim, as I don't like to hurt anyone, but I think he was jealous and the lack of emotions probably comes from their relationship being shallow. I don't think Freddie and Jim shared much in common, Jim is just a simple guy while Freddie was rich, famous, independent, busy, he travelled a lot. They were never equal in anything, and most probably if Freddie didn't get sick their relations would end sooner or later. I think Jim loved Freddie, and what I listed above, plus Freddie's deeper trust and affection towards Mary made Jim feel uncomfortable and jealous. And in the end he only got a proof of it, but it's painful for him to admit it. He was probably angry even at Phoebe and Joe because they often didn't think of him as Freddie's serious love, and maybe Freddie himself showed him the signs of it-manipulating him and treating him like his other two servants. Well, actually I think there is not a lack of emotions, there's a lack of sincerity.
I have been told that Jim doesn't know the meaning of TMI so I really don't want to read it and scar myself for the rest of my life as I am nly very young
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]corades wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I really don't want to hurt Jim, as I don't like to hurt anyone, but I think he was jealous and the lack of emotions probably comes from their relationship being shallow. I don't think Freddie and Jim shared much in common, Jim is just a simple guy while Freddie was rich, famous, independent, busy, he travelled a lot. They were never equal in anything, and most probably if Freddie didn't get sick their relations would end sooner or later. I think Jim loved Freddie, and what I listed above, plus Freddie's deeper trust and affection towards Mary made Jim feel uncomfortable and jealous. And in the end he only got a proof of it, but it's painful for him to admit it. He was probably angry even at Phoebe and Joe because they often didn't think of him as Freddie's serious love, and maybe Freddie himself showed him the signs of it-manipulating him and treating him like his other two servants. Well, actually I think there is not a lack of emotions, there's a lack of sincerity.
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Oh...that seems like a good way of putting it....sorta painting him like an emotional victim too though.
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Oh...that seems like a good way of putting it....sorta painting him like an emotional victim too though.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="Pink">The Show Must Go On wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I have been told that Jim doesn't know the meaning of TMI so I really don't want to read it and scar myself for the rest of my life as I am nly very young[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I heard that too. I'm afraid I'll buy it and then my mom will want to read it and freak out.
Yeah, I heard that too. I'm afraid I'll buy it and then my mom will want to read it and freak out.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]7 seas of Rhye wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="Pink">The Show Must Go On wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I have been told that Jim doesn't know the meaning of TMI so I really don't want to read it and scar myself for the rest of my life as I am nly very young [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I heard that too. I'm afraid I'll buy it and then my mom will want to read it and freak out. [/QUOTE]
TMI regarding sex? No worries. I think the most descriptive Jim gets is when he says, "He kissed me passionately."
Yeah, I heard that too. I'm afraid I'll buy it and then my mom will want to read it and freak out. [/QUOTE]
TMI regarding sex? No worries. I think the most descriptive Jim gets is when he says, "He kissed me passionately."
I'm debating too whether to buy it or not, cos it's reprinting now.
I've watched an interview with Jim, given years ago. Shallow, as someone put it. Just couldn't get myself to figure how someone complex like Mercury ended up with him, but I guess it was the disease and the fear of ending up alone.
What's TMI? Sorry for the ignorance, not native speaker.
Mary... Freddie's will proved beyond doubt his feelings and thoughts. I understand the jealousy, but if we look back, who was the most constant faithful loving person, regardless of sex, in his life? He really had no choice if you asked me. And the family was out of question, for the house, I mean.
I've watched an interview with Jim, given years ago. Shallow, as someone put it. Just couldn't get myself to figure how someone complex like Mercury ended up with him, but I guess it was the disease and the fear of ending up alone.
What's TMI? Sorry for the ignorance, not native speaker.
Mary... Freddie's will proved beyond doubt his feelings and thoughts. I understand the jealousy, but if we look back, who was the most constant faithful loving person, regardless of sex, in his life? He really had no choice if you asked me. And the family was out of question, for the house, I mean.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]dtucra wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I've watched an interview with Jim, given years ago. Shallow, as someone put it. Just couldn't get myself to figure how someone complex like Mercury ended up with him, but I guess it was the disease and the fear of ending up alone.
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Didnt Jim And Freddie hook up BEFORE Freddie found out he was HIV positive?
I've watched an interview with Jim, given years ago. Shallow, as someone put it. Just couldn't get myself to figure how someone complex like Mercury ended up with him, but I guess it was the disease and the fear of ending up alone.
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Didnt Jim And Freddie hook up BEFORE Freddie found out he was HIV positive?
Yes, but the disease might have been a reason to keep going the relation, and not to end it the minute he got bored. Plus I don't know really, but was Freddie the one that infected Jim? Maybe he felt guilty.
To help shed a little more light on this subject here is a quote from Freddie taken from an interview with journalist and friend, David Wigg in 1987:
“I’m very happy with my relationship at the moment, and I really, honestly couldn’t ask for better. I’ve finally found a niche that I was looking for all my life."
And here is a quote from Jim taken from Lesley-Ann Jones’ biography of Freddie first published in 1997:
“At that stage, Freddie already knew that I was HIV positive. He knew that Joe Fanelli had Aids and would die soon. He had to be realistic. Had he left the bulk of his estate to me, here would it have ended up if I passed away?”
However the above quote does seem a little confusing given that just a few lines earlier he had reportedly said:
“The world still thinks he left everything to Mary. Why did he leave everything to Mary? Well, because he had promised her. A promise was something he never went back on. Pity she didn’t feel the same. I believe Freddie actually rewrote his will in the September or the October before he died. There seem to have been a few versions of the will though…”
It also strikes me as slightly odd that Jim, at that time, told Ms. Jones that he hadn’t actually seen the complete will...
Of course at the end of the day none of us were there so we'll probably never know the exact reasons behind everyone's behaviour in this matter, which is perhaps how it should be. All this speculation we (myself included) are currently engaged in seems slightly disrespectful.
“I’m very happy with my relationship at the moment, and I really, honestly couldn’t ask for better. I’ve finally found a niche that I was looking for all my life."
And here is a quote from Jim taken from Lesley-Ann Jones’ biography of Freddie first published in 1997:
“At that stage, Freddie already knew that I was HIV positive. He knew that Joe Fanelli had Aids and would die soon. He had to be realistic. Had he left the bulk of his estate to me, here would it have ended up if I passed away?”
However the above quote does seem a little confusing given that just a few lines earlier he had reportedly said:
“The world still thinks he left everything to Mary. Why did he leave everything to Mary? Well, because he had promised her. A promise was something he never went back on. Pity she didn’t feel the same. I believe Freddie actually rewrote his will in the September or the October before he died. There seem to have been a few versions of the will though…”
It also strikes me as slightly odd that Jim, at that time, told Ms. Jones that he hadn’t actually seen the complete will...
Of course at the end of the day none of us were there so we'll probably never know the exact reasons behind everyone's behaviour in this matter, which is perhaps how it should be. All this speculation we (myself included) are currently engaged in seems slightly disrespectful.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]dtucra wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm debating too whether to buy it or not, cos it's reprinting now.
I've watched an interview with Jim, given years ago. Shallow, as someone put it. Just couldn't get myself to figure how someone complex like Mercury ended up with him, but I guess it was the disease and the fear of ending up alone.
What's TMI? Sorry for the ignorance, not native speaker.
Mary... Freddie's will proved beyond doubt his feelings and thoughts. I understand the jealousy, but if we look back, who was the most constant faithful loving person, regardless of sex, in his life? He really had no choice if you asked me. And the family was out of question, for the house, I mean.[/QUOTE]
TMI=Too Much Information
I've watched an interview with Jim, given years ago. Shallow, as someone put it. Just couldn't get myself to figure how someone complex like Mercury ended up with him, but I guess it was the disease and the fear of ending up alone.
What's TMI? Sorry for the ignorance, not native speaker.
Mary... Freddie's will proved beyond doubt his feelings and thoughts. I understand the jealousy, but if we look back, who was the most constant faithful loving person, regardless of sex, in his life? He really had no choice if you asked me. And the family was out of question, for the house, I mean.[/QUOTE]
TMI=Too Much Information
There are nice passages in the book though. Indeed, some thing you don't wanna know, but some things are worthwile.
TMI=Too Much Information[/QUOTE]
Thank tou.
Thank tou.