In regards to Knebworth 86, perhaps only Brian had suspicion that something was not right with Mercury. I dont think Taylor or Deacon would have suspected anything was up, remember May appears to be a deep thinker i.e he comes across in interviews very cautious and wary of the questions being pitched to him.
This topic was discussed late last year I believe, and 'Asterik' wrote some very insightful notes on this topic. It has been officially documented by Jim Hutton that Mercury was diagnosed with Aids in 1987, however Mercury had also undergone a test in 85, which proved negative...well thats what Mercury is quoted to have said anyway.
Perhaps for sure that Mercury was worried about contracting Aids prior to 1987, however I have seen nothing to strongly prove any physical signs/symptoms of Mercury having the disease prior to 197. We only have to look at videos and pictures of Mercury from 1987 onwards that we see a significant change in his physical appearances, mainly beginning from late 1988 and in 1989 where if we look at the subsequent videos accompanying 'The Miracle', we can see Mercury becoming more thin and frail, personally I think he looks menacing in 'I want it All' and he doesn't look ill in that video either, even though he was.
Well there you have it, some will agree with me, some will have there own spin.
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Freddie did put on a bit of weight in 86. Could that have anything to do with it?
I think Mercury's weight increase in 86 could be put down to his alcohol/beer consumption, look at the beverages on his piano, and I bet it aint water, more like Beer and Vodka. Mercury liked his drink as we all know and have read.
Some have said in past threads that the weight increase is due to Mercury taking AIDS medication (AZT), but he hadn't been diagnosed with AIDS at that point, so he wouldn't have been prescribed any AIDS med.
Some have said in past threads that the weight increase is due to Mercury taking AIDS medication (AZT), but he hadn't been diagnosed with AIDS at that point, so he wouldn't have been prescribed any AIDS med.
But what do you guys think about the picture i posted before:
http://rapidshare.de/files/30237763/Digitalizar0001.jpg.html
Do you think that the sign on his right arm could be AIDS related or not? (on the live aid concert-1985).
Take care
http://rapidshare.de/files/30237763/Digitalizar0001.jpg.html
Do you think that the sign on his right arm could be AIDS related or not? (on the live aid concert-1985).
Take care
Hey Bobby_brown, in that picture with the bruising, I have seen this pic before, the reasons I believe more so that its not a sign of K.S or AIDS, is have a look at the body its on...I mean Mercury looks very fit there and toned. Mercury may have had HIV in 1985, but not full blown AIDS.
For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987.
To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S.
For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987.
To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S.
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Hey Bobby_brown, in that picture with the bruising, I have seen this pic before, the reasons I believe more so that its not a sign of K.S or AIDS, is have a look at the body its on...I mean Mercury looks very fit there and toned. Mercury may have had HIV in 1985, but not full blown AIDS.
For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987.
To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S.
Well, Freddie just met a new love of his life a few days before, Jim Hutton. I am sure they had some 'fun' in the days leading to the concert, hence bruises.
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Hey Bobby_brown, in that picture with the bruising, I have seen this pic before, the reasons I believe more so that its not a sign of K.S or AIDS, is have a look at the body its on...I mean Mercury looks very fit there and toned. Mercury may have had HIV in 1985, but not full blown AIDS.
For him to have K.S, he must have AIDS, K.S I believe does not appear when one is only in the HIV phase, but does so with the onset of AIDS. To me Mercury doesn't look like he has AIDS in that pic, it wasn't until 1988 we could see signs of K.S developing on his face and hands, remember Mercury had been diagnosed with AIDS in 1987.
To what other explanation that bruising is, I simply dont know, could be anyones guess, but not K.S.
Well, Freddie just met a new love of his life a few days before, Jim Hutton. I am sure they had some 'fun' in the days leading to the concert, hence bruises.
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Just to clear it up at last:
The facts: Freddie did the HIV test around Easter 1987. Jim Hutton told us so in his Book. He also writes that the K.S. started around May 1987 in Ibiza. So, AIDS developped/started around May1987, Test in April 1987 ->he was infected by the begining of1987! And all the rest is speculation.
It is probably true he had HIV in 1986 and thought about the possibility of having it, yes probably his body started to react somehow.
the Budapest story is not true to me, as Jim Hutton otherwise had written this in his book!
regards
The facts: Freddie did the HIV test around Easter 1987. Jim Hutton told us so in his Book. He also writes that the K.S. started around May 1987 in Ibiza. So, AIDS developped/started around May1987, Test in April 1987 ->he was infected by the begining of1987! And all the rest is speculation.
It is probably true he had HIV in 1986 and thought about the possibility of having it, yes probably his body started to react somehow.
the Budapest story is not true to me, as Jim Hutton otherwise had written this in his book!
regards
Just to add to the fire, although it's speculation, it is widely thought he was (technically) infected whilst living/working in New York, end of the 70's early 80's.
This is the period when he was most promiscuous and he was in the circle of friends that were one of the first to go down with the disease.
Therefore by the time he met Jim, his path was already written out for him...
This is the period when he was most promiscuous and he was in the circle of friends that were one of the first to go down with the disease.
Therefore by the time he met Jim, his path was already written out for him...
Sir GH i have done nothing but promote and champion everything you do here.so in regard to your comment about me,FUCK OFF.Back in 1986 while the magic tour was going on Circus mag said that while prospects for a us leg were not good,there were dates being sought for Japan.wow did i have you pegged wrong you twit
Calm down ladies.
While im not an expert in medical matters ive always understood that unless theres medical intervention then HIV hybernates in the body for around 8 years, and that after that time it will have developed into Aids, this will last for an average of 2 years.
Back in the 80's HIV/Aids diagnosis was still in its infancy, from what i can gather a sufferer would have to have up to 3 tests to prove categorily if he/she is infected, and that these tests would be seperated by many momths what with the results taking so long to come back.
Taking the above into account its highly possible Freddie contracted HIV in the early 80's. Its also possible he had a test in 85 which proved negative (testing was still hit and miss back then), a further test in 86 which was postive and a final conclsuive test in early 87 which was also positive. If the HIV quickly developed into AIDS some time in 87 then it was indeed a Miracle that the album was released in 89, not to mention Innuendo and MIH tracks.
If this is right then we were lucky to have Freddie for slightly longer than the doctors may have expected.
All the above is just something ive been putting together in my head, it seems to fit, but may be wrong so i apologies to anyone if ive got the HIV/AIDS history wrong.
While im not an expert in medical matters ive always understood that unless theres medical intervention then HIV hybernates in the body for around 8 years, and that after that time it will have developed into Aids, this will last for an average of 2 years.
Back in the 80's HIV/Aids diagnosis was still in its infancy, from what i can gather a sufferer would have to have up to 3 tests to prove categorily if he/she is infected, and that these tests would be seperated by many momths what with the results taking so long to come back.
Taking the above into account its highly possible Freddie contracted HIV in the early 80's. Its also possible he had a test in 85 which proved negative (testing was still hit and miss back then), a further test in 86 which was postive and a final conclsuive test in early 87 which was also positive. If the HIV quickly developed into AIDS some time in 87 then it was indeed a Miracle that the album was released in 89, not to mention Innuendo and MIH tracks.
If this is right then we were lucky to have Freddie for slightly longer than the doctors may have expected.
All the above is just something ive been putting together in my head, it seems to fit, but may be wrong so i apologies to anyone if ive got the HIV/AIDS history wrong.
I don't know why this subject returns every time. It's in Jim Hutton's book. Freddie found out in 1987 he had "full blown AIDS" after a positive AIDS-test.
A lot of Freddie's (gay) friends were also infected, and died of AIDS as the years went by. Freddie was involved in both the New York and Munich gay party scene in the early and mid-80's. I guess he was infected in that period.
Before and during the 1986 tour Freddie knew about the AIDS-virus, and heard some people were infected and ill that he knew very well. I guess Freddie was very scared that he would get the disease as well. Freddie moved back to Kensington, London in 1986 or 1987, and also changed his lifestyle. But it was too late....
A lot of Freddie's (gay) friends were also infected, and died of AIDS as the years went by. Freddie was involved in both the New York and Munich gay party scene in the early and mid-80's. I guess he was infected in that period.
Before and during the 1986 tour Freddie knew about the AIDS-virus, and heard some people were infected and ill that he knew very well. I guess Freddie was very scared that he would get the disease as well. Freddie moved back to Kensington, London in 1986 or 1987, and also changed his lifestyle. But it was too late....
the programme "When Freddie Mercury met Kenny Everett" also gives information about the gay scene Freddie en Kenny both were involved in.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]stateside fan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sir GH i have done nothing but promote and champion everything you do here.so in regard to your comment about me,FUCK OFF.Back in 1986 while the magic tour was going on Circus mag said that while prospects for a us leg were not good,there were dates being sought for Japan.wow did i have you pegged wrong you twit
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I didn't do anything wrong. All I've done is report the truth, am I right?
I appreciate how you've been posting nice things about my work, but it still doesn't excuse you from ignoring my emails for months, and not sending me what you promised. As soon as you send it to me, I'll be sure to make a "stateside fan is a great guy, and i apologize" topic for everyone to see.
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I didn't do anything wrong. All I've done is report the truth, am I right?
I appreciate how you've been posting nice things about my work, but it still doesn't excuse you from ignoring my emails for months, and not sending me what you promised. As soon as you send it to me, I'll be sure to make a "stateside fan is a great guy, and i apologize" topic for everyone to see.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]IvoDutch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't know why this subject returns every time. It's in Jim Hutton's book. Freddie found out in 1987 he had "full blown AIDS" after a positive AIDS-test.
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That is the oficial version. What we are trying to discover is if Freddie knew that something was going on.
You can clearly hear Freddie at Wembley saying (before WWTLF) that Queen will stay together "till one of us will fucking die-I´m shure of it".
Brian has said before that during the Wembley concert Freddie told him that he feels he wasn´t going to be doing that (performing) for a much longer time (i can´t recall the exact words!).
Brian said that he thought that it was just another mood from Freddie, but now that he thinks of it he feels that is possible that Freddie knew at the time that something wasn´t right.
And Freddie didn´t have to be Einstein to know that something wasn´t right. Just imagine that he knew that lots of his "Friends" were dying with the desease. You know that not being infected is a "one in a million" chance you´ve got.
Being Jimmy a new partner i don´t think Freddie would go out saying "I think i got AIDS", until he new he was one to trust.
And the magic tour was very little compared to Queen standarts. Lets not forget that the band were excited to do live shows again after the reaction on Live Aid.
They all said that, and the best thing to do with an album that was number 1 in 31 countries in the world is to do 27 Europe dates to promote it?- I don´t buy that he was tired .
He was being carefull, he probably knew that until August he wouldn´t have major problems, but after that he wsn´t shure, and in my opinion he didn´t have the motivation to do so, even if you only live with the ghost of having HIV i think it´s hard to perform and feel happy with what you´re doing. Even if it wasn´t official, just the fact that your lovers were dying must have been really hard to overcome.
Take care
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That is the oficial version. What we are trying to discover is if Freddie knew that something was going on.
You can clearly hear Freddie at Wembley saying (before WWTLF) that Queen will stay together "till one of us will fucking die-I´m shure of it".
Brian has said before that during the Wembley concert Freddie told him that he feels he wasn´t going to be doing that (performing) for a much longer time (i can´t recall the exact words!).
Brian said that he thought that it was just another mood from Freddie, but now that he thinks of it he feels that is possible that Freddie knew at the time that something wasn´t right.
And Freddie didn´t have to be Einstein to know that something wasn´t right. Just imagine that he knew that lots of his "Friends" were dying with the desease. You know that not being infected is a "one in a million" chance you´ve got.
Being Jimmy a new partner i don´t think Freddie would go out saying "I think i got AIDS", until he new he was one to trust.
And the magic tour was very little compared to Queen standarts. Lets not forget that the band were excited to do live shows again after the reaction on Live Aid.
They all said that, and the best thing to do with an album that was number 1 in 31 countries in the world is to do 27 Europe dates to promote it?- I don´t buy that he was tired .
He was being carefull, he probably knew that until August he wouldn´t have major problems, but after that he wsn´t shure, and in my opinion he didn´t have the motivation to do so, even if you only live with the ghost of having HIV i think it´s hard to perform and feel happy with what you´re doing. Even if it wasn´t official, just the fact that your lovers were dying must have been really hard to overcome.
Take care
Yeah, I think too that some of these statments were motivated by a mixture of fear, being careful and thinking of the first victims of the disease.
And the interview in Budapest ? He was just pissed off being interviewed, as it was the night of Rog's 37th birthday party. He just wanted to get rid of that journalist.
He knew there was a threat, that was in his mind IMO.
And in fact it has been stated several times by Jim, Phoebe and others that he did not know definitely that he was positive before 1987.
And the interview in Budapest ? He was just pissed off being interviewed, as it was the night of Rog's 37th birthday party. He just wanted to get rid of that journalist.
He knew there was a threat, that was in his mind IMO.
And in fact it has been stated several times by Jim, Phoebe and others that he did not know definitely that he was positive before 1987.