[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Some people are irreplaceable and so is Freddie.Brian,Roger and John all wrote great songs but it was Freddie who made Queen what they were.A unique, great band.One of the greatest in the history of rock'n'roll.Brian and Roger should think about the legacy of the band and leave it untouched after Freddie's death.By that I don't mean they should not play these songs live.They just should form a new band and don't call it Queen.Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
wrong! that's your opinion but it doesn't make you right - all four of them made queen sound like queen (until hot space)...yes we all have a our favourite band member - but the songs belong to the band...and you have no justifiable cause to say they shouldn't perform the back-catalogue live ...on that basis you would also ban tribute bands and cover bands from doing other bands songs - because they are not their songs?[/QUOTE]
I'm quite surprised cause I didn't write that they should not play their back catalogue live.I just don't want them to record anything new under the name Queen.Queen was Freddie,Roger,Brian and John.Now it's only Roger and Brian.Imagine Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney recording new stuff and calling themselves The Beatles now.
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I have to admit to having double standards in this argument. It doesn't feel right for a new album to have Queen on the label - and yet, it feels right to hear there's a new Who album coming out. Don't ask me why.
I certainly understand the sentiment from the original poster, however my own view on the matter is rather different.
To me 'Queen' was / is more of an idea than simply a band, I loved the experimental side of what they did, folks that hate the 80's years to me just don't understand what Queen means if you like, they miss the point, it was not about being the same as everyone else or finding a pattern and sticking with it, it was about the music itself and how it had to change to stay ahead of the game and interesting, they were never going to be predictable or boxed into one category.
They had to change to stay true to what made them individual.
So for me all years are as interesting as the last, sure some experiments worked better than others but it was all Queen.
i remember when Jazz came out and thousands of Queen fans screamed NOOOO this can't be Queen, same with The Game same with Hot Space and yet again when Radio Ga Ga was released.
I just sat back and laughed, thinking these people fools for not understanding that they will never get what they had before from these four people, that wasn't the concept.
Now for me (and I recognise not for all) Queen+PR encapsulates the concept and spirit of Queen, so the fact that it's only two of the four is fine, the spirit lives on and when I hear those drums and guitar I know it's Queen no matter what they play.
So I personally find all the don't mess with the memories stuff interesting as to me it misses the point of a truly experimental band that was about music more than anything else.
I know others will look at this another way, but that's how I view it, there is no issue to get upset with IMO
To me 'Queen' was / is more of an idea than simply a band, I loved the experimental side of what they did, folks that hate the 80's years to me just don't understand what Queen means if you like, they miss the point, it was not about being the same as everyone else or finding a pattern and sticking with it, it was about the music itself and how it had to change to stay ahead of the game and interesting, they were never going to be predictable or boxed into one category.
They had to change to stay true to what made them individual.
So for me all years are as interesting as the last, sure some experiments worked better than others but it was all Queen.
i remember when Jazz came out and thousands of Queen fans screamed NOOOO this can't be Queen, same with The Game same with Hot Space and yet again when Radio Ga Ga was released.
I just sat back and laughed, thinking these people fools for not understanding that they will never get what they had before from these four people, that wasn't the concept.
Now for me (and I recognise not for all) Queen+PR encapsulates the concept and spirit of Queen, so the fact that it's only two of the four is fine, the spirit lives on and when I hear those drums and guitar I know it's Queen no matter what they play.
So I personally find all the don't mess with the memories stuff interesting as to me it misses the point of a truly experimental band that was about music more than anything else.
I know others will look at this another way, but that's how I view it, there is no issue to get upset with IMO
I don't think the new album will mess with my memory of queen. actually with its issue it will get clearer than ever who the real queen were.
Well Boy you are sure right of the state of this board! I do also agree with the folks that are awaiting "New" material from Queen +PR but in light of the "new" Def Leppard material that is a album of cover tunes, even RUSH issued a cover tune album last year.
The phrase "new" is still sketchy since in the sad state the music industry is in nowdays, with its hip-hop thug/slut trash "songs" taking up much of the video and radio space and cookie cutter pop groups popping up like viruses its no wonder much of the true talented musicians of yesteryear i.e., Eagles, Rush, Queen, Queensryche,The Stones, The Who, etc will always have an audience because there is NO ONE THAT WILL EVER TAKE THERE PLACES or the very least be as good composers, musicians and performers as they are!
As it stands now in the so-called Music Industry, of which the Hip-Hop category is run by gang members much like the way Las Vegas was and in some was still run by the mafia! Drug lords and the drug industry + prostitution run DEF JAM and all those labels that produce the cRAP!
Rap music started out as a protest music of the black community and had a message but Hip Hop has corrupted the industry in that it prizes THUGISM, GANGS, RAPE AND MATERIALISM and has caused a racial divide in the music indutry that has not been seen in over 50 years!
Hopefully it will burn itself out the way of disco...not soon enough for me!
It's groups like the All American Rejects, Jet and Gnarls Barkley give me hope for REAL talent not American Idol semi-talent. Lets hope for a muscial revolution real soon people!
ROCKMAMA
The phrase "new" is still sketchy since in the sad state the music industry is in nowdays, with its hip-hop thug/slut trash "songs" taking up much of the video and radio space and cookie cutter pop groups popping up like viruses its no wonder much of the true talented musicians of yesteryear i.e., Eagles, Rush, Queen, Queensryche,The Stones, The Who, etc will always have an audience because there is NO ONE THAT WILL EVER TAKE THERE PLACES or the very least be as good composers, musicians and performers as they are!
As it stands now in the so-called Music Industry, of which the Hip-Hop category is run by gang members much like the way Las Vegas was and in some was still run by the mafia! Drug lords and the drug industry + prostitution run DEF JAM and all those labels that produce the cRAP!
Rap music started out as a protest music of the black community and had a message but Hip Hop has corrupted the industry in that it prizes THUGISM, GANGS, RAPE AND MATERIALISM and has caused a racial divide in the music indutry that has not been seen in over 50 years!
Hopefully it will burn itself out the way of disco...not soon enough for me!
It's groups like the All American Rejects, Jet and Gnarls Barkley give me hope for REAL talent not American Idol semi-talent. Lets hope for a muscial revolution real soon people!
ROCKMAMA
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Further, I know you don't know anything about rock history because Van Halen haven't put any music out with DLR since 1984
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If you're going to bash people, you might want to get your facts straight. "Me Wise Magic" is a great DLR/Van Halen track, released on the greatest hits album.... SEVERAL YEARS AFTER 1984.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
Queen wasn't Freddie Mercury. In fact, Fred's solo stuff was, at best, mediocre. It's still their band and their choice to make, not ours. If you don't want to buy it, then go buy your Beyonce albums and thank you very much.
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If you're going to bash people, you might want to get your facts straight. "Me Wise Magic" is a great DLR/Van Halen track, released on the greatest hits album.... SEVERAL YEARS AFTER 1984.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
Queen wasn't Freddie Mercury. In fact, Fred's solo stuff was, at best, mediocre. It's still their band and their choice to make, not ours. If you don't want to buy it, then go buy your Beyonce albums and thank you very much.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Simon & Garfunkel with George Harrison instead of Art. [/QUOTE]
What exactly did Art bring to the table?
What exactly did Art bring to the table?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I guess my point was more, there are people whenever this discussion occurs use who cap locks and say GET OVER IT!!!, or spew some curse words at the people who don't llike seeing the name used. [/QUOTE]
The reason people have begun to respond with that kind of language and attitude, generally, is because its a topic that has been talked to death for several years and people are tired of hearing the same arguments and of making the same counter-arguements, just for the sake of someone who came late to the party and who thinks he has something new and revolutionary to say about it, which in fact is the same thing that a dozen other people have already said. And thus rather than copying-and-pasting from the same done-to-death argument from 2 years ago, they shorthand it by saying "Who care - old news - if you don't like it, quit whinging and get over it". It doesn't have anything to do with intelligence or etiquette, it has everything to do with boredom. Its like coming onto a message board and debating the Hawley-Smoot Act.
The reason people have begun to respond with that kind of language and attitude, generally, is because its a topic that has been talked to death for several years and people are tired of hearing the same arguments and of making the same counter-arguements, just for the sake of someone who came late to the party and who thinks he has something new and revolutionary to say about it, which in fact is the same thing that a dozen other people have already said. And thus rather than copying-and-pasting from the same done-to-death argument from 2 years ago, they shorthand it by saying "Who care - old news - if you don't like it, quit whinging and get over it". It doesn't have anything to do with intelligence or etiquette, it has everything to do with boredom. Its like coming onto a message board and debating the Hawley-Smoot Act.
sssh its really John D
FYI
"Can't Get This Stuff No More" and "Me Wise Magic." VH with DLR 1996
rumoured to have recorded new stuff in 2001 with them also...
FYI
"Can't Get This Stuff No More" and "Me Wise Magic." VH with DLR 1996
rumoured to have recorded new stuff in 2001 with them also...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
Queen wasn't Freddie Mercury. In fact, Fred's solo stuff was, at best, mediocre. It's still their band and their choice to make, not ours. If you don't want to buy it, then go buy your Beyonce albums and thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
Brian's and Roger's solo efforts were at least as mediocre as Freddie's to be honest.It was four of them that made Queen what it was and this is the main reason for which John refused to join them. Of course it's still their band but calling it Queen while it lacks half of the original line up is ridiculous.
Queen wasn't Freddie Mercury. In fact, Fred's solo stuff was, at best, mediocre. It's still their band and their choice to make, not ours. If you don't want to buy it, then go buy your Beyonce albums and thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
Brian's and Roger's solo efforts were at least as mediocre as Freddie's to be honest.It was four of them that made Queen what it was and this is the main reason for which John refused to join them. Of course it's still their band but calling it Queen while it lacks half of the original line up is ridiculous.
sorry, the above post should look like this;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mircrowave! wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Further, I know you don't know anything about rock history because Van Halen haven't put any music out with DLR since 1984
[/QUOTE]
If you're going to bash people, you might want to get your facts straight. "Me Wise Magic" is a great DLR/Van Halen track, released on the greatest hits album.... SEVERAL YEARS AFTER 1984.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
Queen wasn't Freddie Mercury. In fact, Fred's solo stuff was, at best, mediocre. It's still their band and their choice to make, not ours. If you don't want to buy it, then go buy your Beyonce albums and thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
Brian's and Roger's solo efforts were at least as mediocre as Freddie's to be honest.It was four of them that made Queen what it was and this is the main reason for which John refused to join them. Of course it's still their band but calling it Queen while it lacks half of the original line up is ridiculous.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mircrowave! wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Further, I know you don't know anything about rock history because Van Halen haven't put any music out with DLR since 1984
[/QUOTE]
If you're going to bash people, you might want to get your facts straight. "Me Wise Magic" is a great DLR/Van Halen track, released on the greatest hits album.... SEVERAL YEARS AFTER 1984.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
Queen wasn't Freddie Mercury. In fact, Fred's solo stuff was, at best, mediocre. It's still their band and their choice to make, not ours. If you don't want to buy it, then go buy your Beyonce albums and thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
Brian's and Roger's solo efforts were at least as mediocre as Freddie's to be honest.It was four of them that made Queen what it was and this is the main reason for which John refused to join them. Of course it's still their band but calling it Queen while it lacks half of the original line up is ridiculous.
On the subject of JBJ, 'This Left Feels Right' is a bloody good album - expect for the drum machine on a couple of tracks.
I think most of the music out there today is what is mediocre (or worse) but I'm hoping it will turn around eventually.
Jet suck.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Some people are irreplaceable and so is Freddie.Brian,Roger and John all wrote great songs but it was Freddie who made Queen what they were.A unique, great band.One of the greatest in the history of rock'n'roll.Brian and Roger should think about the legacy of the band and leave it untouched after Freddie's death.By that I don't mean they should not play these songs live.They just should form a new band and don't call it Queen.Because there is no more Queen. [/QUOTE]
wrong! that's your opinion but it doesn't make you right - all four of them made queen sound like queen (until hot space)...yes we all have a our favourite band member - but the songs belong to the band...and you have no justifiable cause to say they shouldn't perform the back-catalogue live ...on that basis you would also ban tribute bands and cover bands from doing other bands songs - because they are not their songs?[/QUOTE]
I'm quite surprised cause I didn't write that they should not play their back catalogue live.I just don't want them to record anything new under the name Queen.Queen was Freddie,Roger,Brian and John.Now it's only Roger and Brian.Imagine Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney recording new stuff and calling themselves The Beatles now. [/QUOTE]
another poor point. sorry, but YOU might not want them to...but
1. lots of people who never saw the original queen live (i did 5 times) would want to see the songs performed live
2. as 50% of the band still exist - THEY have every right to call themselves queen _ i for one don't buy into it...but i respect their right to call themselves queen and release whatever they like....doesn't mean we have to spend money on it....but we should respect their right - it's their band...and Freddie gave them his blessing anyhow
3. ain't stopped kiss, purple, the who, zep, sabbath, inxs, beatles (in '95), journey, lynyrd skynyrd, yes, genesis, iron maiden, ufo, ac/dc, whitesnake, etc from doing it - so queen are not exclusive either
wrong! that's your opinion but it doesn't make you right - all four of them made queen sound like queen (until hot space)...yes we all have a our favourite band member - but the songs belong to the band...and you have no justifiable cause to say they shouldn't perform the back-catalogue live ...on that basis you would also ban tribute bands and cover bands from doing other bands songs - because they are not their songs?[/QUOTE]
I'm quite surprised cause I didn't write that they should not play their back catalogue live.I just don't want them to record anything new under the name Queen.Queen was Freddie,Roger,Brian and John.Now it's only Roger and Brian.Imagine Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney recording new stuff and calling themselves The Beatles now. [/QUOTE]
another poor point. sorry, but YOU might not want them to...but
1. lots of people who never saw the original queen live (i did 5 times) would want to see the songs performed live
2. as 50% of the band still exist - THEY have every right to call themselves queen _ i for one don't buy into it...but i respect their right to call themselves queen and release whatever they like....doesn't mean we have to spend money on it....but we should respect their right - it's their band...and Freddie gave them his blessing anyhow
3. ain't stopped kiss, purple, the who, zep, sabbath, inxs, beatles (in '95), journey, lynyrd skynyrd, yes, genesis, iron maiden, ufo, ac/dc, whitesnake, etc from doing it - so queen are not exclusive either