Certainly it's a difficult matter John (although it shouldn't), and I admire the fact that you haven't thrown the towel despite all the misunderstandings.
But I do think all of this has been useful, at the end of the day you can note how many people have contributed with (each time bigger and each time better) Queen-related features that many other artists can be (and should be) jealous of: concertographies, picture hall, cuttings, archives, etc. And you've strongly contributed to virtually all of them, which reflects the fact that you have demonstrated that we can do something instead of waiting for more and more shitty products, or nice-package-nothing-inside issues.
If you want to ignore Greg, it's your choice. But don't let his comments affect you. As I said before, it's time you cut put in better use: write some more ultimate collections, walk your dog, lift some weighs, paint a fresco ... those are more productive activities than trying to teach a pig to sing.
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John, one way to shut Mr Brooks up for keeps...
he is always saying how this needs proving or that needs proving...so do it...but don;t give him anything he can use
here's what i'd suggest...compile a nice two-minute sequence of stuff that is rare - that HE says you don't have...mix it all together...ie 5 secs of hangman studiospliced into say 5 secs of whatever live gigs he says you don;t have...that way...you shut the doubters up and Mr Brooks can go challenge Young Strat Bollox again...
my guess is all Mr Brooks is after really is some freebies for the archive with no effort expended...well this way...you get to show him what you have...in a way that is's still highly collectable...ie no-one get hold of anything meaningful...but at the same time undeniable proof of existence and ownership is established beyong all doubt..
go on John, shut the man up for keeps
he is always saying how this needs proving or that needs proving...so do it...but don;t give him anything he can use
here's what i'd suggest...compile a nice two-minute sequence of stuff that is rare - that HE says you don't have...mix it all together...ie 5 secs of hangman studiospliced into say 5 secs of whatever live gigs he says you don;t have...that way...you shut the doubters up and Mr Brooks can go challenge Young Strat Bollox again...
my guess is all Mr Brooks is after really is some freebies for the archive with no effort expended...well this way...you get to show him what you have...in a way that is's still highly collectable...ie no-one get hold of anything meaningful...but at the same time undeniable proof of existence and ownership is established beyong all doubt..
go on John, shut the man up for keeps
Brenski,
I think your suggestion is quite a nice one. Al though I might think that John is entitled to refuse this request.
On the other hand a few 5-second snippets wouldn't hurt John or his collection/rarities, but would definitately end the battle that (in my opinion) Greg has been creating/fueling over the last couple of months.
John, you are entitled to do what ever you think is right, and I do not want to pressure you to release a few 5 second snippets, but maybe IF you'd decide to do so, you will have Greg in the corner. Maybe this is not your intention, but it would stop most of the "arguments" on Queenzone between you and mr Brooks...
I will await your opinion
Stefan
I think your suggestion is quite a nice one. Al though I might think that John is entitled to refuse this request.
On the other hand a few 5-second snippets wouldn't hurt John or his collection/rarities, but would definitately end the battle that (in my opinion) Greg has been creating/fueling over the last couple of months.
John, you are entitled to do what ever you think is right, and I do not want to pressure you to release a few 5 second snippets, but maybe IF you'd decide to do so, you will have Greg in the corner. Maybe this is not your intention, but it would stop most of the "arguments" on Queenzone between you and mr Brooks...
I will await your opinion
Stefan
Hey Greg, is the box set still set for a 2070 release to coincide w/ Queen's 100th anniversary?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]John, one way to shut Mr Brooks up for keeps...
he is always saying how this needs proving or that needs proving...so do it...but don;t give him anything he can use
here's what i'd suggest...compile a nice two-minute sequence of stuff that is rare - that HE says you don't have...mix it all together...ie 5 secs of hangman studiospliced into say 5 secs of whatever live gigs he says you don;t have...that way...you shut the doubters up and Mr Brooks can go challenge Young Strat Bollox again...
my guess is all Mr Brooks is after really is some freebies for the archive with no effort expended...well this way...you get to show him what you have...in a way that is's still highly collectable...ie no-one get hold of anything meaningful...but at the same time undeniable proof of existence and ownership is established beyong all doubt..
go on John, shut the man up for keeps[/QUOTE]
Yeah I suggested something like that a while ago as well. It would certainly provide proof once and for all, there's no doubt about that.
he is always saying how this needs proving or that needs proving...so do it...but don;t give him anything he can use
here's what i'd suggest...compile a nice two-minute sequence of stuff that is rare - that HE says you don't have...mix it all together...ie 5 secs of hangman studiospliced into say 5 secs of whatever live gigs he says you don;t have...that way...you shut the doubters up and Mr Brooks can go challenge Young Strat Bollox again...
my guess is all Mr Brooks is after really is some freebies for the archive with no effort expended...well this way...you get to show him what you have...in a way that is's still highly collectable...ie no-one get hold of anything meaningful...but at the same time undeniable proof of existence and ownership is established beyong all doubt..
go on John, shut the man up for keeps[/QUOTE]
Yeah I suggested something like that a while ago as well. It would certainly provide proof once and for all, there's no doubt about that.
the bitterness and hatred here make me sad. Why can't you guys work this out? Why start all the discussions over and over again?
There are thousands and thousands of Queen fans waiting for some new stuff to come out. Why take all the rare stuff into the grave? It's just not worth it.
John, if you say you have very rare footage of Queen I believe you. But what's the point of keeping it all for yourself? You can make a lot of fans happy, you know...
Maybe Greg made some mistakes in the past, but I believe his intentions are good. If we want some good unreleased stuff on the next official releases, we'll need to help Greg out.
Just my thoughts on a sunday evening.
There are thousands and thousands of Queen fans waiting for some new stuff to come out. Why take all the rare stuff into the grave? It's just not worth it.
John, if you say you have very rare footage of Queen I believe you. But what's the point of keeping it all for yourself? You can make a lot of fans happy, you know...
Maybe Greg made some mistakes in the past, but I believe his intentions are good. If we want some good unreleased stuff on the next official releases, we'll need to help Greg out.
Just my thoughts on a sunday evening.
Ivo,
You totally miss the point. John has spent a lot of time/money and effort in getting the material he has. He either traded, bought or in other ways found the gems that we haven't seen or heard about yet.
Since these recordings are from his private collection, I find it very normal that he does not just share them with us just for the sake of sharing or making the majority happy.
What I suggested was to put maybe some snippets of certain songs for us to hear, in order to have some people (who seem to doubt John) realise that in fact certain material does excist
Again, a few snippets in my opinion would not hurt John's collection of recordings (as a trader/collector), but it would put an end to the herassement of GB towards JSS
This is just my humble opinion. Let's see what John says ...
Stefan
You totally miss the point. John has spent a lot of time/money and effort in getting the material he has. He either traded, bought or in other ways found the gems that we haven't seen or heard about yet.
Since these recordings are from his private collection, I find it very normal that he does not just share them with us just for the sake of sharing or making the majority happy.
What I suggested was to put maybe some snippets of certain songs for us to hear, in order to have some people (who seem to doubt John) realise that in fact certain material does excist
Again, a few snippets in my opinion would not hurt John's collection of recordings (as a trader/collector), but it would put an end to the herassement of GB towards JSS
This is just my humble opinion. Let's see what John says ...
Stefan
Great post, John, we can be proud to have you on the notice board. I hope the respect of the QZ members for you means something to you.
John,
How about a 1 minute snippet of your Hangman acetate with "property of JSS" said every 5 seconds or so through out?
;)
How about a 1 minute snippet of your Hangman acetate with "property of JSS" said every 5 seconds or so through out?
;)
My take on this.
QPL have paid collectors in the past and have thus set a precedent for paying for some material. This can only add value to the collections still in "pre-negotiation".
Hopefully, collectors will want to sell to QPL for the benefit of the Queen fans, and for the benefit of those who are more emotionally involved and who are getting a little older now (Brian, John, Roger, Mary, Freddie's mom and sister).
This benefit must be weighed (by the collectors) against the future trade value of the collections. If the collectors are fairly compensated in the near future, all will win.
To facilitate the purchasing of collections, Greg might consider working on a set of guidelines (not set in stone - but as a starting point) to smooth out his negotiating efforts regarding certain classes of items. Greg's job seems like enough work for a small staff, not one person. I hope it will be less difficult (all negotiations) going forward.
QPL have paid collectors in the past and have thus set a precedent for paying for some material. This can only add value to the collections still in "pre-negotiation".
Hopefully, collectors will want to sell to QPL for the benefit of the Queen fans, and for the benefit of those who are more emotionally involved and who are getting a little older now (Brian, John, Roger, Mary, Freddie's mom and sister).
This benefit must be weighed (by the collectors) against the future trade value of the collections. If the collectors are fairly compensated in the near future, all will win.
To facilitate the purchasing of collections, Greg might consider working on a set of guidelines (not set in stone - but as a starting point) to smooth out his negotiating efforts regarding certain classes of items. Greg's job seems like enough work for a small staff, not one person. I hope it will be less difficult (all negotiations) going forward.
John, HANG on in there, MAN ...
Somwhow, I think a five second clip would cause more problems than it would solve ...
Really, it is hard to believe in Greg and QPL - unless one is gullible and believes in empty promises (the past six years have been mostly uneventful if one excludes recycled product).
Somwhow, I think a five second clip would cause more problems than it would solve ...
Really, it is hard to believe in Greg and QPL - unless one is gullible and believes in empty promises (the past six years have been mostly uneventful if one excludes recycled product).
There is NO way to satisfy Greg Brooks in my opinion. He will continue to think that he knows everything about Queen, UNTIL they fire his ass! Like i said, John will win any fight because of his character, and Greg will lose because of his.
Personally I am at a loss to know who is right and who is wrong here, however, what saddens me is that fact that there are tapes lying around in both collections that will never get air time among the general Queen community of fans.
I understand that collectors spend years chasing down rare copies of material and therefore are reluctant to share them, I understand that Queen have tapes they would rather not release to the public, however, tapes in particular of live recordings are effectively already out there and it is sad that they try to keep them locked away.
The internet has done many things some good some bad, it has however, been generally good for music fans, allowing never before heard material to surface. Long may it continue, long may we all be fortunate enough to hear songs we up until now have only read about. Fans, genuine fans don't mind the quality of recording they just like to hear there favorite artist doing something new.
Long live dodgy releases on the internet, down with private collections on both sides!!
I understand that collectors spend years chasing down rare copies of material and therefore are reluctant to share them, I understand that Queen have tapes they would rather not release to the public, however, tapes in particular of live recordings are effectively already out there and it is sad that they try to keep them locked away.
The internet has done many things some good some bad, it has however, been generally good for music fans, allowing never before heard material to surface. Long may it continue, long may we all be fortunate enough to hear songs we up until now have only read about. Fans, genuine fans don't mind the quality of recording they just like to hear there favorite artist doing something new.
Long live dodgy releases on the internet, down with private collections on both sides!!
I say go the route of choppy low-bitrate samples. The idea that it'll only make people beg for the full length version doesn't make much sense - I heard a 30 second sample of "The Call" here once and I was satisfied (as that was the only part of the song I really enjoyed anyway).
Seriously. 30 seconds. 10 seconds. 5 seconds. Doesn't matter. It'd be *really* funny if GB were confronted with that kind of incontrovertible evidence. He'd have to back down and *maybe* things could carry on with a bit more civility.
I mean really, who likes arguing? Once everyone knows what's out there and what isn't, it's not an issue anymore and there's no more bullshit speculation.
Seriously. 30 seconds. 10 seconds. 5 seconds. Doesn't matter. It'd be *really* funny if GB were confronted with that kind of incontrovertible evidence. He'd have to back down and *maybe* things could carry on with a bit more civility.
I mean really, who likes arguing? Once everyone knows what's out there and what isn't, it's not an issue anymore and there's no more bullshit speculation.
nobody can say whether theres footage out there or not unless you actually own the footage like some people do,or you was in on the shoot/production of the video/montage,the outtakes of borap could be either a series of stills put together or actual footage,this shot is a not seen in the video,does this class as an outtake?
i think its a great time to be a queen collector,btw i saw thank god its christmas in a local charity shop for £ 35 :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/bohemian_rhapsody_lyrics.shtml
i think its a great time to be a queen collector,btw i saw thank god its christmas in a local charity shop for £ 35 :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/bohemian_rhapsody_lyrics.shtml