Lap of the Gods is pretty decent as is Now I'm here from Wemebley but Tie your Mother down sounds like a struggle, compare it to both Budapest and Kneworth and you can clearly see what one is the worst.
for example, Lap of the Gods from Budapest, quite possibly better then Wemebley for vocals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6tYSRHdt-k
The main problem with Wemebley is that he is not singing, but shouting the songs out because of how rough is voice is, he did develop a habit of shouting a little in the last few tours anyway but its really evident there.
I tend to thinkthe best way to really see how the voice is is just listen to the Audio because there you don't have the very good stage performance to mask the rather indifferent vocal performance.
(By the way, I actually think the second half of that show is where he was best, he went for the higher notes on Radio Ga Ga and WATC)
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I prefer Fred's 86 voice to his 82 voice and no I'm not on dope. In 82 it was all too perfect, too nice, and tuneful, in 86 he belted the songs out, I've never heard such ferocity in Under Pressure for example. The sheer power on AKOM and WWTLF is extraordinary, almost operatic. True his voice was rougher but thank God, this is stadium rock for goodness sake. I much prefer his barking vocal delivery on TYMD and NIH, at least he sings like he's bothered unlike at Milton keynes. That Hot Space tour is hideously overrated by people who just try to find something good out of Hot Space. The Magic tour was brilliant, yes the set wasn't the best, yes I would have liked more piano but the power on those songs is amazing.
Greatest in terms of what? Performance or sound and stage production?
Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system.
Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks.
In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.
Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system.
Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks.
In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.
Asterik, his voice was too perfect???
Thats rubbish IMO, how can a voice be too perfect. You simply can't compare 1982 to 1986. In terms of technical ability ther eis no comprasion, 1982 owns 1986 in all but Falsetto.
Not only that but he just couldn't hit the very high notes at all apart from when he shouted...which isn't singing!!!
However I do agree that songs like TYMD do sound better when barked out, I haven't heard one bad TYMD from the 86 tour yet!
Also I do think people under-rate his voice in the 1986, it isn't quite as bad as everyone makes out to be, its simply that they have only watched Wemebley which is up there with some of his less impressive vocal perfromances. Certainly Knebworth, budapest and Leiden are as good as any concert he ever did in terms of vocals.
Thats rubbish IMO, how can a voice be too perfect. You simply can't compare 1982 to 1986. In terms of technical ability ther eis no comprasion, 1982 owns 1986 in all but Falsetto.
Not only that but he just couldn't hit the very high notes at all apart from when he shouted...which isn't singing!!!
However I do agree that songs like TYMD do sound better when barked out, I haven't heard one bad TYMD from the 86 tour yet!
Also I do think people under-rate his voice in the 1986, it isn't quite as bad as everyone makes out to be, its simply that they have only watched Wemebley which is up there with some of his less impressive vocal perfromances. Certainly Knebworth, budapest and Leiden are as good as any concert he ever did in terms of vocals.
his voice was excellent at wembley - compare him to bono
I like his voice at wembly, it's true in 1982 his voice is superior and amazing, but wembly his voice was great also. I think people concrentrate to much on two or three songs that freddie voice failed. The two disapointing songs that stand out to me are another on bites the dust and I want to break free, also maybe one vision. There are also performances that are my all time favorite from any rock singer, these are tie your mother down, lap of the gods, who wants to live forever, is this the world we created, magic, radio ga ga, impromtu, so yes, I think his voice was at his worst and best ever, but the majority of this show his voice is at his operatic best.
People tend to exaggerate a lot about how bad Freddie sounds at Wembley 86.
Freddie didn't sound bad at all. You could tell that his vocal performance wasn't the best, but he still sounded great.
Besides, if you hear Freddie at Earls Court 77, you'll find that he fucks up on 'Death On Two Legs'. So it wasn't only during the 80s gigs.
Freddie didn't sound bad at all. You could tell that his vocal performance wasn't the best, but he still sounded great.
Besides, if you hear Freddie at Earls Court 77, you'll find that he fucks up on 'Death On Two Legs'. So it wasn't only during the 80s gigs.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greatest in terms of what? Performance or sound and stage production?
Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system.
Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks.
In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. On another note, my favourite Queen tour is Jazz(1979), Funnily enough Jazz is one of my fave Queen albums.
Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system.
Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks.
In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. On another note, my favourite Queen tour is Jazz(1979), Funnily enough Jazz is one of my fave Queen albums.
Certainly Freddie was at his best in terms of vocals between 1979-1982, some amazing performances.
Mr.Jingles, from what i heard of the tours between 1977-1978 it does seem he was going through one of his less impressive spells of vocals (Though there were some good shows, like houston.) which showed very much so during the Japan 1979 tour, where he was much worse then he was in the Magic tour (And even worse then most of the works tour as well!!!)
I have'nt really heard alot of Queens early tours so i can't relaly get a good idea of what is Freddie's average vocal performances.
Despite what some may say, I do think the vocals of 1986 tour was pretty deecnt from Freddie, better then the works and also Jazz tour, though some way behind the amazing Game/Crazy tour and also Hot Space tour.
Mr.Jingles, from what i heard of the tours between 1977-1978 it does seem he was going through one of his less impressive spells of vocals (Though there were some good shows, like houston.) which showed very much so during the Japan 1979 tour, where he was much worse then he was in the Magic tour (And even worse then most of the works tour as well!!!)
I have'nt really heard alot of Queens early tours so i can't relaly get a good idea of what is Freddie's average vocal performances.
Despite what some may say, I do think the vocals of 1986 tour was pretty deecnt from Freddie, better then the works and also Jazz tour, though some way behind the amazing Game/Crazy tour and also Hot Space tour.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]koldweather123 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Asterik, his voice was too perfect???
Thats rubbish IMO, how can a voice be too perfect. You simply can't compare 1982 to 1986. In terms of technical ability ther eis no comprasion, 1982 owns 1986 in all but Falsetto.
Not only that but he just couldn't hit the very high notes at all apart from when he shouted...which isn't singing!!!
Well fair point but if it's too perfect it's too contrived. I like Queen with some rough edges because everything was so exact in the studio. You must admit when Freddie roars "my money" in Lap of The Gods it sends a shiver down your spine. You wouldn't have got that in 82. There are several great moments when his voice sounds operatic, how about "don't touch my wounds" on WWTLF and the scream in Under pressure. Ok, technically his 82 voice was superior but in terms of colour, power and expression, I loved his 86 "bark".
PS- I won't defend IWTBF, he lost complete control there.
Thats rubbish IMO, how can a voice be too perfect. You simply can't compare 1982 to 1986. In terms of technical ability ther eis no comprasion, 1982 owns 1986 in all but Falsetto.
Not only that but he just couldn't hit the very high notes at all apart from when he shouted...which isn't singing!!!
Well fair point but if it's too perfect it's too contrived. I like Queen with some rough edges because everything was so exact in the studio. You must admit when Freddie roars "my money" in Lap of The Gods it sends a shiver down your spine. You wouldn't have got that in 82. There are several great moments when his voice sounds operatic, how about "don't touch my wounds" on WWTLF and the scream in Under pressure. Ok, technically his 82 voice was superior but in terms of colour, power and expression, I loved his 86 "bark".
PS- I won't defend IWTBF, he lost complete control there.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Greatest in terms of what? Performance or sound and stage production?
Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system.
Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks.
In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.[/QUOTE]
Well it's better than the rent a conscience crap we get from them now. Long live Pop Mart I say. Mofo was a great concert opener- I for one would rather hear that than the tired old dross- Pride In The Name Of Love et al. I want U2 to experiment again.
Back in 1997 U2's PopMart featured the largest screen in the world, a giant 100 foot tall arch, and a top class sound system.
Yet, the performances were piss poor with Bono singing out of tune falsettos, humping cameras, and a setlist that left out a lot of U2 classics for cheesy produced electronica tracks.
In conclusion, great stages don't always make great concerts.[/QUOTE]
Well it's better than the rent a conscience crap we get from them now. Long live Pop Mart I say. Mofo was a great concert opener- I for one would rather hear that than the tired old dross- Pride In The Name Of Love et al. I want U2 to experiment again.
Sorry, I'd much rather hear Bono give us a lecture about why we should help fight poverty in Africa than watch him with that pathetic make-up and rubbing his crotch on a camera.
I like bands to try things that are different, but if U2 were just trying to mock themselves, I didn't find the joke funny at all.
I like bands to try things that are different, but if U2 were just trying to mock themselves, I didn't find the joke funny at all.
Sk, the bottom line is it's all a matter of opinion. I never said ANATO deserved #1, but queen were easily better than the sex pistols and nirvana. Rolling stones top ten was ok, but what comes after that, one must scratch the head. Remember, this is the same magazine that had "cobain" as a better guitarist than eddie van halen and brian may in their top 100 guitarists. What a joke!
whoops, wrong topic! LOL.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO I was there saw it and although it was great to see Queen liuev I was disappointed it was just a greatest hits jukebox with no suprises and I can't say thta I had the idea thta they where performing thte best they could so NO NO NO NO NO Compare it with Live Killers the 1976,1977 and even 1981 and 1982 tours...1986 was an awfull tour