A MESSAGE TO WOMEN:
Don't take advice from gay guys on how you should look.
Most men like women with meat on their bones.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A MESSAGE TO WOMEN:
Don't take advice from gay guys on how you should look.
Most men like women with meat on their bones.[/QUOTE]
Yes, ban all skinny models. I don't know why some women want to have figures similar to young men (disgusting). Only a (likely gay) fashion designer can find that sexy.
Wait, was that statement homophobic of me. I'll compensate and give a random man a blowjob. Done.
Don't take advice from gay guys on how you should look.
Most men like women with meat on their bones.[/QUOTE]
Yes, ban all skinny models. I don't know why some women want to have figures similar to young men (disgusting). Only a (likely gay) fashion designer can find that sexy.
Wait, was that statement homophobic of me. I'll compensate and give a random man a blowjob. Done.
A lot of girls and women are brought up with the idea that all you really need to be/do as a woman, is be pretty. It's also very annoying that in this world of today, women still are not valued for who they are, how intelligent they are, how kind they are, but for the way they look. It's degrading. We women are much more than a body.
The extremely thin models that are on the catwalks of the world, send out the message "THIS is what's being pretty and attractive is all about, look at me!" It's utterly silly, if you think about it. After all, it should be about the clothes they are showing, and not about them. And not just that, it's a very unrealistic message they are sending out. Young girls (and adult women as well) think they have to starve themselves in order to look 'beautiful'. Girls and women who look perfectly fine and have a perfectly fine weight, think they are ugly and fat. So in my view, it's not only a matter of what parents teach the children (boys and girls, both) but also think about the message that these skinny models are giving them.
*edit* Oh I forgot to answer YV's question!
No I don't think skinny models should be banned. I agree with Togg, there should be skinny models, medium sized models, big models, small models, huge models. Models in all shapes and sizes and colours. Because people come in all shapes, sizes and colours.
The extremely thin models that are on the catwalks of the world, send out the message "THIS is what's being pretty and attractive is all about, look at me!" It's utterly silly, if you think about it. After all, it should be about the clothes they are showing, and not about them. And not just that, it's a very unrealistic message they are sending out. Young girls (and adult women as well) think they have to starve themselves in order to look 'beautiful'. Girls and women who look perfectly fine and have a perfectly fine weight, think they are ugly and fat. So in my view, it's not only a matter of what parents teach the children (boys and girls, both) but also think about the message that these skinny models are giving them.
*edit* Oh I forgot to answer YV's question!
No I don't think skinny models should be banned. I agree with Togg, there should be skinny models, medium sized models, big models, small models, huge models. Models in all shapes and sizes and colours. Because people come in all shapes, sizes and colours.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Personally I felt is was a great shame when Sophie Dahl slimmed down she was much more attractive with a little weight on her hips.
Hopefully this will prove to be just a fashion trend that will come and go, however I doubt much will change when it comes to how women are seen in the media. They will always be shown as perfect in the eyes of artists, producers, art directors, magazine editors etc, however every now and then we get a glimmer of hope when someone like Ana Matronic (The Scissor Sisters) shows up and seems happy (not to mention sexy) to be a little more substantial! shall we say.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the message about Ana Matronic. I've heard of the Scissor Sisters before, but I'd never seen them. I google image searched her, and now feel a whole lot better about the way I look after seeing how good she looks. Natalie Maines from the Dixie Chicks looked better when she was bigger too.
Trust me, it sucks being on a college campus and being surrounded by all of the women who look like those stick thin models. You can't help but compare yourself...which I know is bad. We definately need more people that are "bigger" out there in the public eye (I HATE to call someone Ana's size bigger...she's normal sized to me!)
Thank goodness the modeling world is at least talking about the problem now, that's the first step to solving any problems.
Hopefully this will prove to be just a fashion trend that will come and go, however I doubt much will change when it comes to how women are seen in the media. They will always be shown as perfect in the eyes of artists, producers, art directors, magazine editors etc, however every now and then we get a glimmer of hope when someone like Ana Matronic (The Scissor Sisters) shows up and seems happy (not to mention sexy) to be a little more substantial! shall we say.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the message about Ana Matronic. I've heard of the Scissor Sisters before, but I'd never seen them. I google image searched her, and now feel a whole lot better about the way I look after seeing how good she looks. Natalie Maines from the Dixie Chicks looked better when she was bigger too.
Trust me, it sucks being on a college campus and being surrounded by all of the women who look like those stick thin models. You can't help but compare yourself...which I know is bad. We definately need more people that are "bigger" out there in the public eye (I HATE to call someone Ana's size bigger...she's normal sized to me!)
Thank goodness the modeling world is at least talking about the problem now, that's the first step to solving any problems.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I can't find anything definite on what waist-to-hip ration "means", would you happen to know anything or have a link-y ? Just curious, as I've never really heard of this before ![/QUOTE]
Sure! The waist to hip ratio is a method of measurement which indicates how much fat you store around your middle. Scientific studies have now indicated that how much fat you store here is a greater indicator of possible health problems later than the BMI index. There are links here:
http://www.annecollins.com/weight-loss/waist-hip-ratio.htm [/QUOTE]
Neat ! Thanks !
Ooo... I think I DO remember this...
Hey, this is a bit random, but I've been to CMU (not enrolled, just visiting). The Auditorium building was very nice.
http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Prettiest-Science-Nancy-Etcoff/dp/0385479425/sr=8-1/qid=1158613944/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3060731-0967966?ie=UTF8&s=books
^ This was a good book that I once read.
Sure! The waist to hip ratio is a method of measurement which indicates how much fat you store around your middle. Scientific studies have now indicated that how much fat you store here is a greater indicator of possible health problems later than the BMI index. There are links here:
http://www.annecollins.com/weight-loss/waist-hip-ratio.htm [/QUOTE]
Neat ! Thanks !
Ooo... I think I DO remember this...
Hey, this is a bit random, but I've been to CMU (not enrolled, just visiting). The Auditorium building was very nice.
http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Prettiest-Science-Nancy-Etcoff/dp/0385479425/sr=8-1/qid=1158613944/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3060731-0967966?ie=UTF8&s=books
^ This was a good book that I once read.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I can't find anything definite on what waist-to-hip ration "means", would you happen to know anything or have a link-y ? Just curious, as I've never really heard of this before ![/QUOTE]
Sure! The waist to hip ratio is a method of measurement which indicates how much fat you store around your middle. Scientific studies have now indicated that how much fat you store here is a greater indicator of possible health problems later than the BMI index. There are links here:
http://www.annecollins.com/weight-loss/waist-hip-ratio.htm [/QUOTE]
Neat ! Thanks !
Ooo... I think I DO remember this...
Hey, this is a bit random, but I've been to CMU (not enrolled, just visiting). The Auditorium building was very nice.
http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Prettiest-Science-Nancy-Etcoff/dp/0385479425/sr=8-1/qid=1158613944/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3060731-0967966?ie=UTF8&s=books
^ This was a good book that I once read.[/QUOTE]
Not a random thing at all! CMU is a really nice campus. Which auditorium where you in? Plachta in Warriner Hall or one of the smaller ones in the library? Or there are some in the music building too....if you don't remember, you can describe the building and I'll figure it out.
I've seen that book before, btw. If I didn't have 31 books to read for the semester, I'd pick it up for sure.
Interesting note on this subject too...while I was at lunch with Jaap and my PAT friends (PAT is the national Historians Honors Society and Jaap is an exchange student from The Netherlands) we were talking about thin people and stuff. Kevin, who studies Victorian England, was telling me that back then, the ideal of feminine beauty was for a man to be able to touch his fingers around the wasit of a woman, thus the whole corset thing.
Sure! The waist to hip ratio is a method of measurement which indicates how much fat you store around your middle. Scientific studies have now indicated that how much fat you store here is a greater indicator of possible health problems later than the BMI index. There are links here:
http://www.annecollins.com/weight-loss/waist-hip-ratio.htm [/QUOTE]
Neat ! Thanks !
Ooo... I think I DO remember this...
Hey, this is a bit random, but I've been to CMU (not enrolled, just visiting). The Auditorium building was very nice.
http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Prettiest-Science-Nancy-Etcoff/dp/0385479425/sr=8-1/qid=1158613944/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3060731-0967966?ie=UTF8&s=books
^ This was a good book that I once read.[/QUOTE]
Not a random thing at all! CMU is a really nice campus. Which auditorium where you in? Plachta in Warriner Hall or one of the smaller ones in the library? Or there are some in the music building too....if you don't remember, you can describe the building and I'll figure it out.
I've seen that book before, btw. If I didn't have 31 books to read for the semester, I'd pick it up for sure.
Interesting note on this subject too...while I was at lunch with Jaap and my PAT friends (PAT is the national Historians Honors Society and Jaap is an exchange student from The Netherlands) we were talking about thin people and stuff. Kevin, who studies Victorian England, was telling me that back then, the ideal of feminine beauty was for a man to be able to touch his fingers around the wasit of a woman, thus the whole corset thing.
I'll bet a lot of the people complaining are simply fat. What do you mean Ban? The market is there and people pay top dollar for the clothes so what is the big deal? Who died? Nobody. Who is making money? The model. The designer. The manufacturer.
There are fat models too. What about those three 400 pound hogs on the postcards? Should we ban them too?
I have a better idea. Ban TV, books, and music from the people who want to ban something.
There are fat models too. What about those three 400 pound hogs on the postcards? Should we ban them too?
I have a better idea. Ban TV, books, and music from the people who want to ban something.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mircrowave! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'll bet a lot of the people complaining are simply fat.[/QUOTE]
I love my flabby gut.
Personally I'd much rather grab love handles than bones.
I love my flabby gut.
Personally I'd much rather grab love handles than bones.
a little cushion...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mircrowave! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'll bet a lot of the people complaining are simply fat. [/QUOTE]
Oh my, that's a nice assumption.
Oh my, that's a nice assumption.
I think as long as a person is healthy thats all that really matters!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Personally I felt is was a great shame when Sophie Dahl slimmed down she was much more attractive with a little weight on her hips.
Hopefully this will prove to be just a fashion trend that will come and go, however I doubt much will change when it comes to how women are seen in the media. They will always be shown as perfect in the eyes of artists, producers, art directors, magazine editors etc, however every now and then we get a glimmer of hope when someone like Ana Matronic (The Scissor Sisters) shows up and seems happy (not to mention sexy) to be a little more substantial! shall we say.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the message about Ana Matronic. I've heard of the Scissor Sisters before, but I'd never seen them. I google image searched her, and now feel a whole lot better about the way I look after seeing how good she looks. Natalie Maines from the Dixie Chicks looked better when she was bigger too.
Trust me, it sucks being on a college campus and being surrounded by all of the women who look like those stick thin models. You can't help but compare yourself...which I know is bad. We definately need more people that are "bigger" out there in the public eye (I HATE to call someone Ana's size bigger...she's normal sized to me!)
Thank goodness the modeling world is at least talking about the problem now, that's the first step to solving any problems.
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Trust me if you look like her in terms of size you have nothing to worry about, she is totally normal, it's just that we are all so used to seeing girls look much thinner on the TV.
She is the way a health girl should look!
Hopefully this will prove to be just a fashion trend that will come and go, however I doubt much will change when it comes to how women are seen in the media. They will always be shown as perfect in the eyes of artists, producers, art directors, magazine editors etc, however every now and then we get a glimmer of hope when someone like Ana Matronic (The Scissor Sisters) shows up and seems happy (not to mention sexy) to be a little more substantial! shall we say.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the message about Ana Matronic. I've heard of the Scissor Sisters before, but I'd never seen them. I google image searched her, and now feel a whole lot better about the way I look after seeing how good she looks. Natalie Maines from the Dixie Chicks looked better when she was bigger too.
Trust me, it sucks being on a college campus and being surrounded by all of the women who look like those stick thin models. You can't help but compare yourself...which I know is bad. We definately need more people that are "bigger" out there in the public eye (I HATE to call someone Ana's size bigger...she's normal sized to me!)
Thank goodness the modeling world is at least talking about the problem now, that's the first step to solving any problems.
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Trust me if you look like her in terms of size you have nothing to worry about, she is totally normal, it's just that we are all so used to seeing girls look much thinner on the TV.
She is the way a health girl should look!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mircrowave! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'll bet a lot of the people complaining are simply fat. What do you mean Ban? The market is there and people pay top dollar for the clothes so what is the big deal? Who died? Nobody. Who is making money? The model. The designer. The manufacturer.
There are fat models too. What about those three 400 pound hogs on the postcards? Should we ban them too?
I have a better idea. Ban TV, books, and music from the people who want to ban something. [/QUOTE]
First of all, that's a false assumption that in no way helps your arguement, although you have proven what most politicans do...that insulting people is better than actually putting together a decent argument.
Who died? Do I need to make a list of all of the wannabe modles that died from complications because they were so thin (or drug use like cocaine to kill their appetite and make them thinner?)
Who is making money? You are right here. But there are so many models who admit later that they were miserable and unhealthy in their "prime".
We aren't talking about banning the models altogether...we are talking about one show banning it, and not because they think it looks gross, but because they are unhealthy. You don't see people glorifying smoking and being five hundred pounds for the same reason....it's not healthy. There's still a market out there for those waif thin people, and probably always will be. This show is simply attempting to take the spotlight off them, which is not neccesarily a bad thing. Like it or not, most people are very insecure and need role models, and these are unfortunately the ones that a lot of girls look up to. Health first, looks second is all this show is saying, and I happen to agree.
There are fat models too. What about those three 400 pound hogs on the postcards? Should we ban them too?
I have a better idea. Ban TV, books, and music from the people who want to ban something. [/QUOTE]
First of all, that's a false assumption that in no way helps your arguement, although you have proven what most politicans do...that insulting people is better than actually putting together a decent argument.
Who died? Do I need to make a list of all of the wannabe modles that died from complications because they were so thin (or drug use like cocaine to kill their appetite and make them thinner?)
Who is making money? You are right here. But there are so many models who admit later that they were miserable and unhealthy in their "prime".
We aren't talking about banning the models altogether...we are talking about one show banning it, and not because they think it looks gross, but because they are unhealthy. You don't see people glorifying smoking and being five hundred pounds for the same reason....it's not healthy. There's still a market out there for those waif thin people, and probably always will be. This show is simply attempting to take the spotlight off them, which is not neccesarily a bad thing. Like it or not, most people are very insecure and need role models, and these are unfortunately the ones that a lot of girls look up to. Health first, looks second is all this show is saying, and I happen to agree.
Banning? Probably not. But the designers must understand that while there's no demand for fat models, there's also no demand for thin girls. Yes, we DO want to see SLIM girls - but with proper curves! Not a boy-like ass or missing breasts.
A model 170 cm tall should weigh 55-60 kg. Not 45, not 70. It's quite a simple math.
A model 170 cm tall should weigh 55-60 kg. Not 45, not 70. It's quite a simple math.
After looking at those pictures, I can't believe that some people thought that I was unhealthy like that. People should look at models a bit more closely.