I used hate hammer to fall now i think its one of their best songs
keep passing the open windows - used to hate that too cos thought was too goody goody but now i love it
Americans are nothing but a bunch of right wing conservative obsessive freaks (not all he he!!)
queen did bad in the states cos freddie was gay - as simple as that - and america is the land of the free??? I dont think so. Europe is far more liberal
Anyway that american guy did say that we in europe think everythin he did was great - i agree there, like the way we hear freddie is no 1 in UK charts - it doesnt matter
But i know better - i didnt buy lover of life, singer of songs cos whats the point buying it? we already have the songs on how many issues already???
but yes europeans have better tastes in music - or shud i say americans like rubbish? I mean ye produce shows like gerry springer (i know he's english), jenny jones (spelling) etc.
A president wins an election over gay marriage, and ye shoot john lennon.
By the way i love america
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]una999 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I used hate hammer to fall now i think its one of their best songs
keep passing the open windows - used to hate that too cos thought was too goody goody but now i love it
Americans are nothing but a bunch of right wing conservative obsessive freaks (not all he he!!)
queen did bad in the states cos freddie was gay - as simple as that - and america is the land of the free??? I dont think so. Europe is far more liberal
Anyway that american guy did say that we in europe think everythin he did was great - i agree there, like the way we hear freddie is no 1 in UK charts - it doesnt matter
But i know better - i didnt buy lover of life, singer of songs cos whats the point buying it? we already have the songs on how many issues already???
but yes europeans have better tastes in music - or shud i say americans like rubbish? I mean ye produce shows like gerry springer (i know he's english), jenny jones (spelling) etc.
A president wins an election over gay marriage, and ye shoot john lennon.
By the way i love america
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What the hell. Honestly people, can we keep the America bashing to a minimum, especially when related to a Queen album? There were still fans in America, and I'm sure the band would have toured there except to do so would involve a lot of time and a lot of energy, neither of which the band had in 1984 or 1985. Also, Freddie's manager, Paul Prenter, was saying some disparaging things to journalists at the time, and Capitol Records wasn't interested in promoting Queen.
Just remember that 'Radio Ga Ga' reached No. 16 in the US, and that there was a controversy at Capitol that was similar (I believe) to the Payola scandal from the 1960s, and Queen lost a lot of important allies in the states because of this scandal.
Men appearing in drag may have been new to Americans at the time, but it wasn't frowned upon: Dustin Hoffman won serious plaudits for Tootsie, released in 1982, and even bands like the New York Dolls and Twisted Sister wore heavy make-up and things like that. If anything, you'd think that Freddie prancing around in a one-piece, low-cut leotard would clue people in to his sexuality, not prancing around in white jeans and a moustache. I'm sure the 'Break Free' caused SOME controversy, but not all of America turned their backs to the band. So why not do a bit of research next time before blindly shooting off your mouth?
keep passing the open windows - used to hate that too cos thought was too goody goody but now i love it
Americans are nothing but a bunch of right wing conservative obsessive freaks (not all he he!!)
queen did bad in the states cos freddie was gay - as simple as that - and america is the land of the free??? I dont think so. Europe is far more liberal
Anyway that american guy did say that we in europe think everythin he did was great - i agree there, like the way we hear freddie is no 1 in UK charts - it doesnt matter
But i know better - i didnt buy lover of life, singer of songs cos whats the point buying it? we already have the songs on how many issues already???
but yes europeans have better tastes in music - or shud i say americans like rubbish? I mean ye produce shows like gerry springer (i know he's english), jenny jones (spelling) etc.
A president wins an election over gay marriage, and ye shoot john lennon.
By the way i love america
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What the hell. Honestly people, can we keep the America bashing to a minimum, especially when related to a Queen album? There were still fans in America, and I'm sure the band would have toured there except to do so would involve a lot of time and a lot of energy, neither of which the band had in 1984 or 1985. Also, Freddie's manager, Paul Prenter, was saying some disparaging things to journalists at the time, and Capitol Records wasn't interested in promoting Queen.
Just remember that 'Radio Ga Ga' reached No. 16 in the US, and that there was a controversy at Capitol that was similar (I believe) to the Payola scandal from the 1960s, and Queen lost a lot of important allies in the states because of this scandal.
Men appearing in drag may have been new to Americans at the time, but it wasn't frowned upon: Dustin Hoffman won serious plaudits for Tootsie, released in 1982, and even bands like the New York Dolls and Twisted Sister wore heavy make-up and things like that. If anything, you'd think that Freddie prancing around in a one-piece, low-cut leotard would clue people in to his sexuality, not prancing around in white jeans and a moustache. I'm sure the 'Break Free' caused SOME controversy, but not all of America turned their backs to the band. So why not do a bit of research next time before blindly shooting off your mouth?
To Lester Burnham,
Well said. The “gay” card seems to be the excuse offered up by most Europeans on why Queen didn’t tour in the USA anymore or why their popularity declined. That had absolutely nothing to do with it. What is the excuse for never returning to Japan? It was quite simply the music they were putting out at the time. In spite of all the success they were having in Europe the music was crappy and just because something is successful; it doesn’t necessarily make it good.
Well said. The “gay” card seems to be the excuse offered up by most Europeans on why Queen didn’t tour in the USA anymore or why their popularity declined. That had absolutely nothing to do with it. What is the excuse for never returning to Japan? It was quite simply the music they were putting out at the time. In spite of all the success they were having in Europe the music was crappy and just because something is successful; it doesn’t necessarily make it good.
Queen's worst material was better than most bands best because of their vocal and instrumental talent. However, comparing The Works to anything from the debut album to Jazz, it's a like a different group, with inferior songwriting. Good points on the "gay card", total copout by people who can't see that America didn't accept Queen as a keyboard heavy pop band after 7 albums of being a guitar heavy rock band.
Both Roger and Brian have said the IWTBF video is what killed any chance of a Queen comeback in the States. IWTBF was banned from MTV due to having men in drag! The ban was lifted in 1991.
That said, I don't think its Americas fault. Boy George was huge around this time and everyone know he was gay! The Works is not Queens' best album and the American public knew this.
Good point, I forgot about what Brian and Roger said. Can't wait for their book when WWRY is rightfully listed along with My Fair Lady and West Side Story as history's greatest musicals.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]louvox wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Most fans in Europe will disagree with me, but Queen could fart on a record and most fans in Europe would praise it as pure genius.
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Please, Europeans have taste...Americans don't. Just look at the top 10 of your charts ffs!
The Works isn't a bad album and the follow-ups aren't either. They still sounded better than the other shit that was going on in the 80's...especially in America.
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1. The new FM still being on the UK charts... and ONLY the UK charts prooves TFK's point, I think. Top ten? In this age of music? Clearly sympathy is playing a factor in the sales of this new album.
2. The 80s in America was one of the biggest and most successful periods in music history. Did you notice? Synths are back! The UK was still churning out prog rock and trying electronica. 80's pop was conquering the world. Wham had to drop the name "Wham U.K." to even get noticed, but when they did (in America) they blew up. Men At Work were struggling until they invaded America. Hall & Oates still hold the record for most #1s by a duo. Robert Fripp couldn't get Daryl heard anywhere!
If The Works had been a more 80's pop feel to it, Queen would have survived in America. Heck, The Stones figured it out with Tattoo You, and that album isn't really THAT good, but it sure sold!!!
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Please, Europeans have taste...Americans don't. Just look at the top 10 of your charts ffs!
The Works isn't a bad album and the follow-ups aren't either. They still sounded better than the other shit that was going on in the 80's...especially in America.
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1. The new FM still being on the UK charts... and ONLY the UK charts prooves TFK's point, I think. Top ten? In this age of music? Clearly sympathy is playing a factor in the sales of this new album.
2. The 80s in America was one of the biggest and most successful periods in music history. Did you notice? Synths are back! The UK was still churning out prog rock and trying electronica. 80's pop was conquering the world. Wham had to drop the name "Wham U.K." to even get noticed, but when they did (in America) they blew up. Men At Work were struggling until they invaded America. Hall & Oates still hold the record for most #1s by a duo. Robert Fripp couldn't get Daryl heard anywhere!
If The Works had been a more 80's pop feel to it, Queen would have survived in America. Heck, The Stones figured it out with Tattoo You, and that album isn't really THAT good, but it sure sold!!!
Brain and Roger may have said that about the IWTBF video, but they also said that they were "too busy else where" and were interested in playing stadiums only (something of course we don’t have in the USA). So which is it? In either case it’s a cop out. Yes the video was band here, but not by their fans. It became a very sought out. The song however was totally ignored by US radio and fans a like. It’s a lightweight pop song with a stupid synthesizer solo that sounds like someone taking a shit; that’s not even played by any of them. All the reasons we keep hearing from Queen and their fans in Europe why they never returned to the USA don’t add up. They go to South America & Mexico where they are relatively unknown and society is a lot more conservative than the USA (especially at that time) and take on that challenge full on. Face it. Their songs were weak for most of the 80’s and didn’t want to face the criticism they would have probably received here.
The songs were mature and complex in the 70’s when they didn’t care what anybody thought about them. From “Hot space” through ‘The miracle” their songs became bland, mundane & immature when all they cared about was trying to appease European radio.
The songs were mature and complex in the 70’s when they didn’t care what anybody thought about them. From “Hot space” through ‘The miracle” their songs became bland, mundane & immature when all they cared about was trying to appease European radio.
It's a shame this has descended in to a Europe vs America argument. I think The Works was a fine album, not their absoute best but far better than Hot Space or The Game which was their biggest US album and in Hammer To Fall Tear it Up we see a slow return to hard rock. Radio Ga Ga combined old anthemic qualities with new sounds, Keep passing The Open Windows is one of Freddie's finest songs, so energetic and soul searching. Is This The World We created and it's A Hard life conjure the old melodrama and Man on The prowl is really underrated- catchy with some super piano work.
In my view only Break Free and Machines are let downs and they do have a lot of synths on them, that said they aren't bad.I like The Works; it's a shame number of US fans didn't catch on. But as Freddie sings in IWTBF "life still goes on" and it did- you only need to see the magic tour to know that.
In my view only Break Free and Machines are let downs and they do have a lot of synths on them, that said they aren't bad.I like The Works; it's a shame number of US fans didn't catch on. But as Freddie sings in IWTBF "life still goes on" and it did- you only need to see the magic tour to know that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]louvox wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Brain and Roger may have said that about the IWTBF video, but they also said that they were "too busy else where" and were interested in playing stadiums only (something of course we don’t have in the USA). So which is it? In either case it’s a cop out. Yes the video was band here, but not by their fans. It became a very sought out. The song however was totally ignored by US radio and fans a like. It’s a lightweight pop song with a stupid synthesizer solo that sounds like someone taking a shit;
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The point is Radio Ga ga had done well in the US and was climbing the charts- that decision had a very big effect on Queen's popularity. Moreover, IWTBF was a massive worldwide hit even if it was a lightweight synth tune; in short you're trying to suggest that somehow the US is a bastion of taste, a filter of all the rubbish. Give me a break. if it was big everywhere else you can't blame it's lack of quality for it not doing well in the US, after all Sting's won 13 Grammys in your country!
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The point is Radio Ga ga had done well in the US and was climbing the charts- that decision had a very big effect on Queen's popularity. Moreover, IWTBF was a massive worldwide hit even if it was a lightweight synth tune; in short you're trying to suggest that somehow the US is a bastion of taste, a filter of all the rubbish. Give me a break. if it was big everywhere else you can't blame it's lack of quality for it not doing well in the US, after all Sting's won 13 Grammys in your country!
I've not meant this as an attack on all US fans, I perfectly understand their concerns. I'm just saying that taste is equal throughout the world. no country has a better taste than the other, it's subjective.
To HJ
I am not bashing Euopean Queen fans either. Nor I am saying that we here have better taste. I remember quite well when "The works" was released. I was very excited about it. It wasn’t until I finally listened to it that I largely disappointed. I stand by opinion on that album. I rated it as their third worse album behind “A kind of magic & Hot Space”.
Radio ga, ga was NEVER a big hit here. I don’t know where you are getting your information. The reason is sold copies in the USA is because of Queen fans like me who buy anything and everything Queen released. Oh I am sure there were those who bought it because they actually like it.
I am not bashing Euopean Queen fans either. Nor I am saying that we here have better taste. I remember quite well when "The works" was released. I was very excited about it. It wasn’t until I finally listened to it that I largely disappointed. I stand by opinion on that album. I rated it as their third worse album behind “A kind of magic & Hot Space”.
Radio ga, ga was NEVER a big hit here. I don’t know where you are getting your information. The reason is sold copies in the USA is because of Queen fans like me who buy anything and everything Queen released. Oh I am sure there were those who bought it because they actually like it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Wiley wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I was thinking some time ago about this and I might have brought it up in some other thread back then. I know Queen made a huge experiment with Hot Space and it wasn't very successful and they needed a strong album to follow it. Then came 'The Works', where I think they wanted to play it safe and get back on their feet.
* It's a Hard Life - Typical Freddie ballad reminiscent of Play the game.
* Man on the Prowl - a bit in the style of Crazy Little Thing Called Love
* Tear it up - A bit of We will rock you in there (beat oriented track with A/D riffs)
* ITTWWC - Acoustic little number reminiscent of Love of my life
and that's almost half of the album, hehe :).
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I agreed with you on those tracks, tehy are way too reminiscent of previous hits. But that doesn't mean they aren't great songs. They surely are. and the hits(radio GaGa, Break Free,Hammer, plus Machines and Open Windows) are fab. It is a great album, althought "safe".one thing doesn't mean another.
* It's a Hard Life - Typical Freddie ballad reminiscent of Play the game.
* Man on the Prowl - a bit in the style of Crazy Little Thing Called Love
* Tear it up - A bit of We will rock you in there (beat oriented track with A/D riffs)
* ITTWWC - Acoustic little number reminiscent of Love of my life
and that's almost half of the album, hehe :).
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I agreed with you on those tracks, tehy are way too reminiscent of previous hits. But that doesn't mean they aren't great songs. They surely are. and the hits(radio GaGa, Break Free,Hammer, plus Machines and Open Windows) are fab. It is a great album, althought "safe".one thing doesn't mean another.
Oh well, I didn't say I did not like those songs. I actually enjoy "It's a Hard Life" very much, I love how it builds tension before the guitar solo and then goes back to the chorus, that is pure genius. Any other band would have stopped before the solo, after those ascendent melodies by guitar (that were played by synths live because Brian could not play them all in a row). Then comes the guitar solo and it's almost like you're flying now, hehe :). I don't know, I like that part very much.
I also like I want to break free. I mean, some of the songs are great but as an album..? Maybe if they had included I go crazy and there must be more to life than this in the album and it were about 45 minutes long, but it is very short! Yet, The Game and Sheer heart attack are almost equally short and they are very solid albums (IMO).
I also like I want to break free. I mean, some of the songs are great but as an album..? Maybe if they had included I go crazy and there must be more to life than this in the album and it were about 45 minutes long, but it is very short! Yet, The Game and Sheer heart attack are almost equally short and they are very solid albums (IMO).