Despite the the recent blustering on Queenzone claiming mp3 to be void of quality ... The Traders Den has a surpringly balanced opinion.
I did not quote this website as it does not want its content reproduced, but it allows posting of its links.
Use this link:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio#faq_whylossless
Then pick the "audio seeding" link.
Then pick the "What's the big deal?" link.
Please read the 4th paragraph.
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Well ofcourse its listenable. Mp3 is the most used format, and i dont think anyone have denied that.
However, there is a difference between a studio recording and audience recording. I also have to admit i mostly hear on mp3`s, but not when it comes to bootlegs. I dont see the reason why, when i have it in superior quality on my cdr. I also think its not that hard to hear the difference between lossy and lossless. However, i dont think we are getting anywhere with this. Just leave it, and if you want lossless go to TTD.
However, there is a difference between a studio recording and audience recording. I also have to admit i mostly hear on mp3`s, but not when it comes to bootlegs. I dont see the reason why, when i have it in superior quality on my cdr. I also think its not that hard to hear the difference between lossy and lossless. However, i dont think we are getting anywhere with this. Just leave it, and if you want lossless go to TTD.
This is like talking to a wall. This discussion will never end, because some people just don't want to understand it.
Note, though that they won't allow lossy files on their servers!!!
Indeed those Lossless freaks will never understand it.
Listenable? Yes.
A fart is listenable too.
Enjoyable?
...fill in for yourself.
A fart is listenable too.
Enjoyable?
...fill in for yourself.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]TheGame wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well ofcourse its listenable. Mp3 is the most used format, and i dont think anyone have denied that.
However, there is a difference between a studio recording and audience recording. I also have to admit i mostly hear on mp3`s, but not when it comes to bootlegs. I dont see the reason why, when i have it in superior quality on my cdr. I also think its not that hard to hear the difference between lossy and lossless. However, i dont think we are getting anywhere with this. Just leave it, and if you want lossless go to TTD.
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my thoughts exactly...
However, there is a difference between a studio recording and audience recording. I also have to admit i mostly hear on mp3`s, but not when it comes to bootlegs. I dont see the reason why, when i have it in superior quality on my cdr. I also think its not that hard to hear the difference between lossy and lossless. However, i dont think we are getting anywhere with this. Just leave it, and if you want lossless go to TTD.
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my thoughts exactly...
The Trader's Den runs their own house the way they see fit, but does not attempt to impose their will upon others ...
Obviously no one read the above link. so I will paraphrase:
Under double blind studies, only a very small minority can distinquish lossless from 192 kbs lossy.
A one time lossy compression from a lossless source to a lossy format is likely not to cause an audible difference
Lossy formats serve a legitimate purpose for many people for use with portable players, computers or home audio systems.
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.
Obviously no one read the above link. so I will paraphrase:
Under double blind studies, only a very small minority can distinquish lossless from 192 kbs lossy.
A one time lossy compression from a lossless source to a lossy format is likely not to cause an audible difference
Lossy formats serve a legitimate purpose for many people for use with portable players, computers or home audio systems.
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.
mp3 is totally gay, stop justifing it, we all know it listenable, wtf is all this millions of ppl with ipod listening to?
the fact remains that we should try as much as possible to spread lossless. if you do not have a good connection, not our fault, go back to emule.
the fact remains that we should try as much as possible to spread lossless. if you do not have a good connection, not our fault, go back to emule.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Van wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the bottom line in your paraphrase.........
.....get it yet???
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the bottom line in your paraphrase.........
.....get it yet???
I don't see this as any different from what people here are saying.
Basicaly what we are saying is: Losless for trading and sharing, lossy for personal use only.
The TTD policy is exactly this.
Basicaly what we are saying is: Losless for trading and sharing, lossy for personal use only.
The TTD policy is exactly this.
Be patient, guys... I think some people are starting to get it. Give it time.
A fart is listenable too, but not enjoyable.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Van wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the bottom line in your paraphrase.........
.....get it yet???[/QUOTE]
"Never pass ... lossy ... to ... traders"
The point has been made many times on Queenzone that those that share lossy files are NOT traders.
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the bottom line in your paraphrase.........
.....get it yet???[/QUOTE]
"Never pass ... lossy ... to ... traders"
The point has been made many times on Queenzone that those that share lossy files are NOT traders.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Van wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the bottom line in your paraphrase.........
.....get it yet???[/QUOTE]
"Never pass ... lossy ... to ... traders"
The point has been made many times on Queenzone that those that share lossy files are NOT traders.
Later, this TTD link states (paraphrase):
"Please respect our high standards, and distribute mp3's elsewhere."
The Trader's Den is a classy outfit:
It tolerates lossy sharing elsewhere and does not attempt to ban lossy sharing.
It does not denigrate mp3 listeners as stupid.
It acknowledges that although lossless is better than lossy, it is difficult to distinguish lossless from lossy for the predominant majority of people.
It does not threaten to never share again if one person accidently does a Flac-mp3-wav conversion.
It is ok to compress lossless to lossy formats, but never pass on lossy files or lossy sourced lossless files to other traders.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the bottom line in your paraphrase.........
.....get it yet???[/QUOTE]
"Never pass ... lossy ... to ... traders"
The point has been made many times on Queenzone that those that share lossy files are NOT traders.
Later, this TTD link states (paraphrase):
"Please respect our high standards, and distribute mp3's elsewhere."
The Trader's Den is a classy outfit:
It tolerates lossy sharing elsewhere and does not attempt to ban lossy sharing.
It does not denigrate mp3 listeners as stupid.
It acknowledges that although lossless is better than lossy, it is difficult to distinguish lossless from lossy for the predominant majority of people.
It does not threaten to never share again if one person accidently does a Flac-mp3-wav conversion.