at the end of the song, you hear a sort of 'city' noises, a police car or something like that. Does it mean anything?
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yeah, it means that Brian was arrested in March 1974, for wearing stiletto's in the streets o London
XD
Yeah!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]yeah, it means that Brian was arrested in March 1974, for wearing stiletto's in the streets o London[/QUOTE]
Is that why when he was in drag again for the "I Want TO Break Free" video he went with pink slippers instead?!
Is that why when he was in drag again for the "I Want TO Break Free" video he went with pink slippers instead?!
I thought it was about that heroin joke Lester Burnham brought up. :P
amazin song, one of brian's best
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vallie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]at the end of the song, you hear a sort of 'city' noises, a police car or something like that. Does it mean anything?[/QUOTE]
First: Because these ‘sound effects’ are the result of both a very conscious choice and deliberate inclusion - of course they mean something. No artist would ever intentionally sabotage their own work by ‘audibly’ throwing-up all over it.
Second: Just why these effects are included is anyone’s guess, but as the full title of the track is ‘She Makes Me (Storm Trooper In Stilettos)’ – I guess there are enough clues in there for us to interpret.
Storm trooper n: A member of the Nazi militia noted for brutality and violence. One who resembles or behaves like a member of the Nazi militia. (Although 'Star Wars' famously borrows Storm Trooper types, 'She Makes Me...' was written a full three years before the release of the movie).
Stilettos n: A type of shoe heel that is pointy, thin and high. Also called ‘spike’ or ‘spiked’ heels.
Therefore, based on the title alone, I would think it would be safe to say that this track (on one level) is about a very powerful female dominatrix and the S&M (or bondage sex) services she provides.
The closing effects at the end of the track therefore either represent the passage of time:
‘…but the world will know, How long I'll take and if I'm very slow, she makes me so’
(i.e: the sexual act itself is prolonged – hence the drawn-out heavy breathing)
Or because the persona of the track is in such a state of ecstasy,
‘Who knows who she'll make me, as I lie in her cocoon…’
that the police car and sirens represent the world outside of his sadomasochistic shelter.
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
I love... she makes me, she is my heart
She is my love, she is my love
I know you're jealous of her,
she makes me need
She is my love, she is my love
Who knows who she'll make me,
as I lie in her cocoon
But the world will surely heal my ills,
I'm warm and terrified
She makes me so,
I know the day I leave her,
I'd love her still
She is my love,
she is my love
Who knows where my dreams will end,
I'll follow as they grow
But the world will know,
How long I'll take
And if I'm very slow,
she makes me so
She is my love,
she is my love
First: Because these ‘sound effects’ are the result of both a very conscious choice and deliberate inclusion - of course they mean something. No artist would ever intentionally sabotage their own work by ‘audibly’ throwing-up all over it.
Second: Just why these effects are included is anyone’s guess, but as the full title of the track is ‘She Makes Me (Storm Trooper In Stilettos)’ – I guess there are enough clues in there for us to interpret.
Storm trooper n: A member of the Nazi militia noted for brutality and violence. One who resembles or behaves like a member of the Nazi militia. (Although 'Star Wars' famously borrows Storm Trooper types, 'She Makes Me...' was written a full three years before the release of the movie).
Stilettos n: A type of shoe heel that is pointy, thin and high. Also called ‘spike’ or ‘spiked’ heels.
Therefore, based on the title alone, I would think it would be safe to say that this track (on one level) is about a very powerful female dominatrix and the S&M (or bondage sex) services she provides.
The closing effects at the end of the track therefore either represent the passage of time:
‘…but the world will know, How long I'll take and if I'm very slow, she makes me so’
(i.e: the sexual act itself is prolonged – hence the drawn-out heavy breathing)
Or because the persona of the track is in such a state of ecstasy,
‘Who knows who she'll make me, as I lie in her cocoon…’
that the police car and sirens represent the world outside of his sadomasochistic shelter.
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
I love... she makes me, she is my heart
She is my love, she is my love
I know you're jealous of her,
she makes me need
She is my love, she is my love
Who knows who she'll make me,
as I lie in her cocoon
But the world will surely heal my ills,
I'm warm and terrified
She makes me so,
I know the day I leave her,
I'd love her still
She is my love,
she is my love
Who knows where my dreams will end,
I'll follow as they grow
But the world will know,
How long I'll take
And if I'm very slow,
she makes me so
She is my love,
she is my love
My interpretation (less literal): He has accepted the emotional power (not physical power) she has over him. The street noise represents the danger and warning signs of his intense feelings (his love for her) and not being able to escape his feelings.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vallie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]at the end of the song, you hear a sort of 'city' noises, a police car or something like that. Does it mean anything?[/QUOTE]
*snip*
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
*snip*
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Although I seriously doubt if the alleged (I'm not so sure about the SM part) topic of this song is actually something to look forward to :-)
*snip*
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
*snip*
[/QUOTE]
Although I seriously doubt if the alleged (I'm not so sure about the SM part) topic of this song is actually something to look forward to :-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fireplace wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vallie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]at the end of the song, you hear a sort of 'city' noises, a police car or something like that. Does it mean anything?[/QUOTE]
*snip*
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
*snip*
[/QUOTE]
Although I seriously doubt if the alleged (I'm not so sure about the SM part) topic of this song is actually something to look forward to :-) [/QUOTE]
Fireplace:
I don't know how you can doubt the existence of S&M undertones, when, as I so clearly stated above; 'I would think it would be safe to say that this track (on ONE level) is about a very powerful female dominatrix and the S&M (or bondage sex) services she provides.'
I did not say this was the ONLY level. Indeed, I think Donna13 also has a very reasonable point to make.
However, that is the beauty of all art, it is open to interpretation, and even though that interpretation may be basic or very literal, if it exists, then it cannot be denied.
So I accept your right to disagree with the idea of S&M being a dominant theme (no pun intended), but I do not accept that it does NOT exist, as clearly, it is there, if we decide to see it as so.
However, this does not mean that all art is open to ANY interpretation, as clearly this track is NOT about birds flying south for the winter, but if the interpretation IS valid, then it can not be denied.
Therefore other themes COULD include the sharing of illicit drugs (the relationship and addiction of the persona to his dealer) with the effects of the police outside being either ironic or prophetic, or, that the protagonist is not truly female (the ‘she’ being an ironic referral to the effeminate male - and with a band name like Queen that is always a possibility) and that she, like some pimp, provides him with some lavish lifestyle in return for services rendered.
I do not think that art should be ‘straight-jacketed’ or believe that it should be restricted to any one opinion, but as I said above, ‘IF’ evidence to support a S&M interpretation is valid, (i.e. in the title), then, unfortunately for us all, it does exist, and can not be eliminated from any serious evaluation.
PS: This is not me being either a smart-ass or argumentative, so if it comes across as such I apologise. It’s just that I am really interested in the topic and really enjoy a serious discussion. That does not make me correct, and, (as I allude to above) would be very interested in the constructive contributions of yourself and others. :-)
*snip*
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
*snip*
[/QUOTE]
Although I seriously doubt if the alleged (I'm not so sure about the SM part) topic of this song is actually something to look forward to :-) [/QUOTE]
Fireplace:
I don't know how you can doubt the existence of S&M undertones, when, as I so clearly stated above; 'I would think it would be safe to say that this track (on ONE level) is about a very powerful female dominatrix and the S&M (or bondage sex) services she provides.'
I did not say this was the ONLY level. Indeed, I think Donna13 also has a very reasonable point to make.
However, that is the beauty of all art, it is open to interpretation, and even though that interpretation may be basic or very literal, if it exists, then it cannot be denied.
So I accept your right to disagree with the idea of S&M being a dominant theme (no pun intended), but I do not accept that it does NOT exist, as clearly, it is there, if we decide to see it as so.
However, this does not mean that all art is open to ANY interpretation, as clearly this track is NOT about birds flying south for the winter, but if the interpretation IS valid, then it can not be denied.
Therefore other themes COULD include the sharing of illicit drugs (the relationship and addiction of the persona to his dealer) with the effects of the police outside being either ironic or prophetic, or, that the protagonist is not truly female (the ‘she’ being an ironic referral to the effeminate male - and with a band name like Queen that is always a possibility) and that she, like some pimp, provides him with some lavish lifestyle in return for services rendered.
I do not think that art should be ‘straight-jacketed’ or believe that it should be restricted to any one opinion, but as I said above, ‘IF’ evidence to support a S&M interpretation is valid, (i.e. in the title), then, unfortunately for us all, it does exist, and can not be eliminated from any serious evaluation.
PS: This is not me being either a smart-ass or argumentative, so if it comes across as such I apologise. It’s just that I am really interested in the topic and really enjoy a serious discussion. That does not make me correct, and, (as I allude to above) would be very interested in the constructive contributions of yourself and others. :-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Fireplace wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]vallie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]at the end of the song, you hear a sort of 'city' noises, a police car or something like that. Does it mean anything?[/QUOTE]
*snip*
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
*snip*
[/QUOTE]
Although I seriously doubt if the alleged (I'm not so sure about the SM part) topic of this song is actually something to look forward to :-) [/QUOTE]
Fireplace:
I don't know how you can doubt the existence of S&M undertones, when, as I so clearly stated above; 'I would think it would be safe to say that this track (on ONE level) is about a very powerful female dominatrix and the S&M (or bondage sex) services she provides.'
I did not say this was the ONLY level. Indeed, I think Donna13 also has a very reasonable point to make.
However, that is the beauty of all art, it is open to interpretation, and even though that interpretation may be basic or very literal, if it exists, then it cannot be denied.
So I accept your right to disagree with the idea of S&M being a dominant theme (no pun intended), but I do not accept that it does NOT exist, as clearly, it is there, if we decide to see it as so.
However, this does not mean that all art is open to ANY interpretation, as clearly this track is NOT about birds flying south for the winter, but if the interpretation IS valid, then it can not be denied.
Therefore other themes COULD include the sharing of illicit drugs (the relationship and addiction of the persona to his dealer) with the effects of the police outside being either ironic or prophetic, or, that the protagonist is not truly female (the ‘she’ being an ironic referral to the effeminate male - and with a band name like Queen that is always a possibility) and that she, like some pimp, provides him with some lavish lifestyle in return for services rendered.
I do not think that art should be ‘straight-jacketed’ or believe that it should be restricted to any one opinion, but as I said above, ‘IF’ evidence to support a S&M interpretation is valid, (i.e. in the title), then, unfortunately for us all, it does exist, and can not be eliminated from any serious evaluation.
PS: This is not me being either a smart-ass or argumentative, so if it comes across as such I apologise. It’s just that I am really interested in the topic and really enjoy a serious discussion. That does not make me correct, and, (as I allude to above) would be very interested in the constructive contributions of yourself and others. :-)
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Interesting argument, for sure! My comment was meant to be somewhat more light hearted, something about the combination of an SM-song and "having a lot to look forward to" at 16 struck me as funny.
As for the topic of the song, I realise that Brian is no saint, but wouldn't a song about SM (if that's the topic, it's certainly quite graphic and straightforward)be a bit out of character for him? It sounds more like something Freddie would do once he entered his "leather-era".
While I have no clue what the song is about exactly, I have always taken "lie in her cocoon" as a metaphor for being fully in someone's grasp and slowly getting comfortable with that idea. I know as much as the next guy, so I'm certainly not dismissing your interpretation, but Brian has never been known to write explicitly about sexuality (assuming Fat Bottomed Girls was a wind-up more than a statement about his sexual preferences). You seem to be reading a whole lot more into the lyrics, but I wonder if Brian would make himself that vulnerable to the outside world.
He has stated on several occasions that drugs held little attraction for him.
To me She Makes Me appears to be about the acceptance of being utterly in love, and slowly realisi
*snip*
At 16 - I think you still have either a lot to learn - or look forward too!
*snip*
[/QUOTE]
Although I seriously doubt if the alleged (I'm not so sure about the SM part) topic of this song is actually something to look forward to :-) [/QUOTE]
Fireplace:
I don't know how you can doubt the existence of S&M undertones, when, as I so clearly stated above; 'I would think it would be safe to say that this track (on ONE level) is about a very powerful female dominatrix and the S&M (or bondage sex) services she provides.'
I did not say this was the ONLY level. Indeed, I think Donna13 also has a very reasonable point to make.
However, that is the beauty of all art, it is open to interpretation, and even though that interpretation may be basic or very literal, if it exists, then it cannot be denied.
So I accept your right to disagree with the idea of S&M being a dominant theme (no pun intended), but I do not accept that it does NOT exist, as clearly, it is there, if we decide to see it as so.
However, this does not mean that all art is open to ANY interpretation, as clearly this track is NOT about birds flying south for the winter, but if the interpretation IS valid, then it can not be denied.
Therefore other themes COULD include the sharing of illicit drugs (the relationship and addiction of the persona to his dealer) with the effects of the police outside being either ironic or prophetic, or, that the protagonist is not truly female (the ‘she’ being an ironic referral to the effeminate male - and with a band name like Queen that is always a possibility) and that she, like some pimp, provides him with some lavish lifestyle in return for services rendered.
I do not think that art should be ‘straight-jacketed’ or believe that it should be restricted to any one opinion, but as I said above, ‘IF’ evidence to support a S&M interpretation is valid, (i.e. in the title), then, unfortunately for us all, it does exist, and can not be eliminated from any serious evaluation.
PS: This is not me being either a smart-ass or argumentative, so if it comes across as such I apologise. It’s just that I am really interested in the topic and really enjoy a serious discussion. That does not make me correct, and, (as I allude to above) would be very interested in the constructive contributions of yourself and others. :-)
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Interesting argument, for sure! My comment was meant to be somewhat more light hearted, something about the combination of an SM-song and "having a lot to look forward to" at 16 struck me as funny.
As for the topic of the song, I realise that Brian is no saint, but wouldn't a song about SM (if that's the topic, it's certainly quite graphic and straightforward)be a bit out of character for him? It sounds more like something Freddie would do once he entered his "leather-era".
While I have no clue what the song is about exactly, I have always taken "lie in her cocoon" as a metaphor for being fully in someone's grasp and slowly getting comfortable with that idea. I know as much as the next guy, so I'm certainly not dismissing your interpretation, but Brian has never been known to write explicitly about sexuality (assuming Fat Bottomed Girls was a wind-up more than a statement about his sexual preferences). You seem to be reading a whole lot more into the lyrics, but I wonder if Brian would make himself that vulnerable to the outside world.
He has stated on several occasions that drugs held little attraction for him.
To me She Makes Me appears to be about the acceptance of being utterly in love, and slowly realisi
She Makes Me is indeed a great song. I really love the tune. It's a clever song and indeed: one of Brian's best.
Fireplace: I agree with you, and I know your reply was meant to be light-hearted, but what's wrong with looking forwards to a little bit S&M! ;-)
I like M&M's but I'm trying to avoid any Halloween candy for now.