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lol, how can someone be so stupid and call something an upgrade to a mastertape?
Well he says it's unprocessed. So he says "ours" is a 1st Gen CDR which is far worse to his unprocessed recording (TAPE > EAC > FLAC) in his opinion and therefore he calls it an upgrade...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol, how can someone be so stupid and call something an upgrade to a mastertape?[/QUOTE]
What is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show from here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading.
What is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show from here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol, how can someone be so stupid and call something an upgrade to a mastertape?[/QUOTE]
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?
Well I think there are 2 options:
a. The copy of Bob is remastered (Bob...?)
b. A new transfer was posted on Dime and was transferred in a different (worse?) way
It can be either of those, the track times differ aswell so I'm not sure.
a. The copy of Bob is remastered (Bob...?)
b. A new transfer was posted on Dime and was transferred in a different (worse?) way
It can be either of those, the track times differ aswell so I'm not sure.
Bob got the copy from the guy who recorded the show so it's most likely the mastertape.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Bob got the copy from the guy who recorded the show so it's most likely the mastertape.[/QUOTE]
Read plz, ours is a 1st Gen CDR copy. Simply the lineage would look like this: MASTER > DIGITAL > CDR(x) > DIGITAL > CDR(1)
But what happens in the digital areas (ripping or copying) is that there is a SMALL possibility that there is quality loss on a microscopic level (which can't be heard anyway) so that should make his copy an upgrade.
I wouldn't waste my time on that minor difference. Even though I'd want the lowest gen possible this is worse than the one Bob posted.
Read plz, ours is a 1st Gen CDR copy. Simply the lineage would look like this: MASTER > DIGITAL > CDR(x) > DIGITAL > CDR(1)
But what happens in the digital areas (ripping or copying) is that there is a SMALL possibility that there is quality loss on a microscopic level (which can't be heard anyway) so that should make his copy an upgrade.
I wouldn't waste my time on that minor difference. Even though I'd want the lowest gen possible this is worse than the one Bob posted.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol, how can someone be so stupid and call something an upgrade to a mastertape?[/QUOTE]
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?[/QUOTE]
As I said the one on dime is one CDR gen lower than Bob's version. The extraction and burning process of audio cdrs is very prone to introduce digital artifacts, such as clicks and pops, into the audio. I'm not saying the dime torrent is a huge upgrade or anything and if Bob's cdrs were properly burned and extracted there won't be any noticeable difference bewteen the two versions, but the fact that some people here are making fun of the dime uploader and calling him stupid just shows that they have no clue of all these things themselves. In fact the dime version is closer to the master, even if it's just a CDR gen.
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?[/QUOTE]
As I said the one on dime is one CDR gen lower than Bob's version. The extraction and burning process of audio cdrs is very prone to introduce digital artifacts, such as clicks and pops, into the audio. I'm not saying the dime torrent is a huge upgrade or anything and if Bob's cdrs were properly burned and extracted there won't be any noticeable difference bewteen the two versions, but the fact that some people here are making fun of the dime uploader and calling him stupid just shows that they have no clue of all these things themselves. In fact the dime version is closer to the master, even if it's just a CDR gen.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol, how can someone be so stupid and call something an upgrade to a mastertape?[/QUOTE]
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?[/QUOTE]
As I said the one on dime is one CDR gen lower than Bob's version. The extraction and burning process of audio cdrs is very prone to introduce digital artifacts, such as clicks and pops, into the audio. I'm not saying the dime torrent is a huge upgrade or anything and if Bob's cdrs were properly burned and extracted there won't be a noticeable difference bewteen the two versions, but the fact that some people here are making fun of the dime uploader and calling him stupid just shows that they have no clue of all these things themselves. In fact the dime version is closer to the master, even if it's just a CDR gen.[/QUOTE]
I apologies, I misread all the posts, you're talking about CDR generations whilst I thought you meant cassette generations.
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?[/QUOTE]
As I said the one on dime is one CDR gen lower than Bob's version. The extraction and burning process of audio cdrs is very prone to introduce digital artifacts, such as clicks and pops, into the audio. I'm not saying the dime torrent is a huge upgrade or anything and if Bob's cdrs were properly burned and extracted there won't be a noticeable difference bewteen the two versions, but the fact that some people here are making fun of the dime uploader and calling him stupid just shows that they have no clue of all these things themselves. In fact the dime version is closer to the master, even if it's just a CDR gen.[/QUOTE]
I apologies, I misread all the posts, you're talking about CDR generations whilst I thought you meant cassette generations.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]tilomagnet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol, how can someone be so stupid and call something an upgrade to a mastertape?[/QUOTE]
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?[/QUOTE]
As I said the one on dime is one CDR gen lower than Bob's version. The extraction and burning process of audio cdrs is very prone to introduce digital artifacts, such as clicks and pops, into the audio. I'm not saying the dime torrent is a huge upgrade or anything and if Bob's cdrs were properly burned and extracted there won't be a noticeable difference bewteen the two versions, but the fact that some people here are making fun of the dime uploader and calling him stupid just shows that they have no clue of all these things themselves. In fact the dime version is closer to the master, even if it's just a CDR gen.[/QUOTE]
I know that Tilo, but read what I've posted. I'll say it clearly again:
If you would download the version on Dime and compare it to the one on QZ you will find out that the quality of the one posted here on QZ has actually better sound quality.
Please read before you post something. You are right, but do your homework first. I have...
Where is your problem? The one on dime is one CDR gen lower than the version that Bob uploaded here. Plus the torrent on DaD has perfectly accurate source and lineage information that everyone who downloaded the show here should add to his notes and pass it on when trading. [/QUOTE]
Wait a min, didn't Bob upload a copy of the mastertape? If he did how can something be better than a mastertape copy?[/QUOTE]
As I said the one on dime is one CDR gen lower than Bob's version. The extraction and burning process of audio cdrs is very prone to introduce digital artifacts, such as clicks and pops, into the audio. I'm not saying the dime torrent is a huge upgrade or anything and if Bob's cdrs were properly burned and extracted there won't be a noticeable difference bewteen the two versions, but the fact that some people here are making fun of the dime uploader and calling him stupid just shows that they have no clue of all these things themselves. In fact the dime version is closer to the master, even if it's just a CDR gen.[/QUOTE]
I know that Tilo, but read what I've posted. I'll say it clearly again:
If you would download the version on Dime and compare it to the one on QZ you will find out that the quality of the one posted here on QZ has actually better sound quality.
Please read before you post something. You are right, but do your homework first. I have...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font type="verdana">_Tatterdemalion_ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Bob got the copy from the guy who recorded the show so it's most likely the mastertape.[/QUOTE]
Read plz, ours is a 2nd Gen CDR copy. Simply the lineage would look like this: MASTER > DIGITAL > CDR(1) > DIGITAL > CDR(2)[/QUOTE]
This has been discussed here: http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=896188
In a nutshell: The correct lineage of Bob's version is Master>CDR(1)>EAC>WAV>FLAC , the one on dime is Master>CDR(0)>EAC>WAV>FLAC
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But what happens in the digital areas (ripping or copying) is that there is a SMALL possibility that there is quality loss on a microscopic level (which can't be heard anyway) so that should make his copy an upgrade. [/QUOTE]
No, the quality of the audio itself cannot be degraded by improper extraction or burning. It may introduce digital errors into the audio though.
Read plz, ours is a 2nd Gen CDR copy. Simply the lineage would look like this: MASTER > DIGITAL > CDR(1) > DIGITAL > CDR(2)[/QUOTE]
This has been discussed here: http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=896188
In a nutshell: The correct lineage of Bob's version is Master>CDR(1)>EAC>WAV>FLAC , the one on dime is Master>CDR(0)>EAC>WAV>FLAC
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But what happens in the digital areas (ripping or copying) is that there is a SMALL possibility that there is quality loss on a microscopic level (which can't be heard anyway) so that should make his copy an upgrade. [/QUOTE]
No, the quality of the audio itself cannot be degraded by improper extraction or burning. It may introduce digital errors into the audio though.
Download the one from Dime and LISTEN, in other words: DO - YOUR - HOMEWORK
You will hear, just like me, that the sound sounds less clear and distant. Not with errors or anything. ITS JUST WORSE!
(I already corrected my lineage post before you quoted me)
You will hear, just like me, that the sound sounds less clear and distant. Not with errors or anything. ITS JUST WORSE!
(I already corrected my lineage post before you quoted me)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font size="1">Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Download the one from Dime and LISTEN, in other words: DO - YOUR - HOMEWORK
(I already corrected my lineage post before you quoted me)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice, Jerome. If you say that the version on dime is inferior - fine, I believe what you say and I have no problem with that. I didn't post here to argue with you which version sounds better, but to reply to posts like "..how can you upgrade a mastertape...". Judging from the notes, the dime version is closer to the master and that is a fact. I also pointed out that the dime torrent has very accurate lineage information for which I'm grateful. If it sounds better actually, well that's another story and I cannot answer that one yet, simply because I haven't listened to it.
And BTW: As far as correcting your lineage post, CDR(x) is not the same as CDR(0)...
(I already corrected my lineage post before you quoted me)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice, Jerome. If you say that the version on dime is inferior - fine, I believe what you say and I have no problem with that. I didn't post here to argue with you which version sounds better, but to reply to posts like "..how can you upgrade a mastertape...". Judging from the notes, the dime version is closer to the master and that is a fact. I also pointed out that the dime torrent has very accurate lineage information for which I'm grateful. If it sounds better actually, well that's another story and I cannot answer that one yet, simply because I haven't listened to it.
And BTW: As far as correcting your lineage post, CDR(x) is not the same as CDR(0)...
I know you're true about the lineage, I didn't say you were wrong on the lineage. I know that x isn't the same as 0 but I used it because in this case it didn't matter whether I typed x or z or m, as it was clear enough that it was a gen below the 1st so it's 0 anyway.
But as I said, you're right about the lineage and if you're going to download or are already downloading the Dime version and compare it, you could hear that there is a difference in the sound.
Great that we finally worked this out, as I don't want any arguing either. When are we going to do a trade again? :P
But as I said, you're right about the lineage and if you're going to download or are already downloading the Dime version and compare it, you could hear that there is a difference in the sound.
Great that we finally worked this out, as I don't want any arguing either. When are we going to do a trade again? :P