I have been monitoring the chat and speculation on QZ about original 1975 Bohemian Rhapsody promo video out-takes - what little there is.
There is a TINY amount of chat on about this MASSIVELY significant tape, or tapes, this monumentally important film, and TONS of chat about hundreds and hundreds of other very trivial Queen issues and recordings. The lack of text about these out-takes is precisely as you might expect 'IF' something does not really exist.
I have read all mentions of this on QZ but it does not furnish enough info to be able to make a definitive decision either way. To convince yourself categorically that Bo Rhap film out-takes definitely exist, just based on what's rumoured or suggested or ludicrously offered as fact, on QZ, is folly and totally illogical.
I have already stated on this site that I do not believe that such things exist. Having spoken to probably EVERY major and serious Queen collector and expert there is, over 31 years... many of whom have come and gone, NONE of them has ever seen any such out-take. Never.
I feel certain, in this money-mad world we live in - where NOTHING is sacred and EVERYTHING has its price - that if such out-takes existed, they would have emerged long ago. Someone somewhere would have made a mint by now - be it via a genuine love of music history, by accident, or because of greed.
Such film is exactly the kind of thing we would have featured as bonus material on GVH1, and/or the NATO releases in recent years.
The fact that nothing has been reported, or viewed by anyone I have ever talked with or met or heard from, I believe, is conclusive proof nothing is out there. It's just unfounded rumour. It's a lovely thought, but it's fiction.
Certain 'experts' are insisting on QZ that they exist. OK. I might be wrong. I'd love to be proven wrong. Thus....
IF Bo Rhap video out-takes exist, somebody will be able to describe an extract, or even a full description, in detail, not vague guesswork. Someone will even be able to provide a tiny extract for us to examine and then it will be a matter of fact not fantasy.
At the very least there will be some detailed description somewhere. IF so, IF it exists, I can assure you that QPL would be interested in buying such footage. And... if the fan/s in question doesn't want to part with it, we could pay for the use of it. A fair compromise can always be worked out... just like we did with the Magic 86 rehearsal footage, and other stuff we have negotiated for. There is no excuse for further bullshit or tired transparent excuses.
So... if it exists, PROVE IT. It won't be hard. It will be simple. A 5-second snippet is all we'd need.
I am not interested in further silliness on this matter... "It DOES exist Greg, but you are so disliked that no one will send it to you." That is rubbish. Send it to a third party if that's the case. Find a way. Leave me out of the process, I don't care, but just stop the bullshit speculation and silly excuses.
Those of you on QZ who insist it exists, persistently fail to offer one single tiny iota of proof. You are too gullible by half. Why would you so easily believe this???? It baffles me. Most of you are usually so sceptical and logical.
"We don't like you Greg, so we're not handing over proof that precious Bo Rhap out-takes exist" won't do. This is not the infant school playground, this is the real world. Personal feelings are irrelevant, only Queen rarities are of interest here.
Can you prove they exist, or can you only protest and make excuses for why they cannot, and have never been, in 31 years, produced???? Not one single second has ever emerged.
I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward EVEN MORE to featuring any such out-takes on the next relevant Queen DVD (bonus material) for EVERYONE to enjoy for the first time in history.
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Sorry, Greg, but you as well as everyone else know that nothing will be posted (I'm sure on 99,9999% though I'd like to be proven wrong neither), so why do you post this?
OK Serry, but if let's sort this issue out once and for all... not least because I keep getting asked about it.
I am certain that it doesn't exist, but there is no harm in putting it 'out there' for someone to disprove... if they're SO CERTAIN it does exist. Certain experts are totally convinced it's out there, and that's weird to me.
Like the QUEEN IN SUNBURY 1974 FOOTAGE (which was proven to be the bullshit that I and others thought it was), we will soon see about this one way or the other.
Nothing wrong with that, is there Serry?
I am certain that it doesn't exist, but there is no harm in putting it 'out there' for someone to disprove... if they're SO CERTAIN it does exist. Certain experts are totally convinced it's out there, and that's weird to me.
Like the QUEEN IN SUNBURY 1974 FOOTAGE (which was proven to be the bullshit that I and others thought it was), we will soon see about this one way or the other.
Nothing wrong with that, is there Serry?
About Sunbury everything was SO obvious... I think now you know WHOM you ask to prove if the video exists and the problem is that issue won't be sort out. One expert says: "It exists", another say "It doesn't, prove your point!" - "But you don't prove your point, why should I do it first?!" etc. And it will be that school playground you wrote about. In these (the high class collectors) cases everything can be SO personal. IMHO.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward EVEN MORE to featuring any such out-takes on the next relevant Queen DVD (bonus material) for EVERYONE to enjoy for the first time in history.
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Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??
I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward EVEN MORE to featuring any such out-takes on the next relevant Queen DVD (bonus material) for EVERYONE to enjoy for the first time in history.
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Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??
greg, i admit that i (for one of many) don't like the way you approach "requests for favours"
let's face a fact or two - you are asking people (many of whom will forget much more than you will ever learn about queen) all you ever appear to do around here is "goad" people into "offering something up gratis"...surely even you have learned by now that your approach does not work...the majority of people do not like your methods...and almost as many don't like you....and why will anyone ever offer up stuff to a guy who goads, antagonises and insults...change tack and you have a chance...make the first genuine move and some might meet you halfway
but - your case is not beyond redemption...and someone in a job like yours - ie one that requires a degree of intelligence should have been able to work this out....all YOU have to do....to mend some bridges, and heal some wounds....is ...........
make the first move....offer something worthwhile yourself...and i don't mean offer up copyrighted songs...you could make a massive peace-making step...how about YOU tell us what IS in the archives? some real info and detail on the recordings that YOU know for sure exists....some details on which classic shows exist in soundboard or quality film (in ful)...which studio songs exist in demo unfinished (recorded) format...go on....give it a go ...what have you got to lose? you might get soemthing worthwhile back...and if you don't - so what? at least you tried to mend things and at least you will feel a better person for trying
let's face a fact or two - you are asking people (many of whom will forget much more than you will ever learn about queen) all you ever appear to do around here is "goad" people into "offering something up gratis"...surely even you have learned by now that your approach does not work...the majority of people do not like your methods...and almost as many don't like you....and why will anyone ever offer up stuff to a guy who goads, antagonises and insults...change tack and you have a chance...make the first genuine move and some might meet you halfway
but - your case is not beyond redemption...and someone in a job like yours - ie one that requires a degree of intelligence should have been able to work this out....all YOU have to do....to mend some bridges, and heal some wounds....is ...........
make the first move....offer something worthwhile yourself...and i don't mean offer up copyrighted songs...you could make a massive peace-making step...how about YOU tell us what IS in the archives? some real info and detail on the recordings that YOU know for sure exists....some details on which classic shows exist in soundboard or quality film (in ful)...which studio songs exist in demo unfinished (recorded) format...go on....give it a go ...what have you got to lose? you might get soemthing worthwhile back...and if you don't - so what? at least you tried to mend things and at least you will feel a better person for trying
Well, specifically the title says it all, but I'm sure if you have ANY outtakes that QPL do not have, they'll be happy to hear from you.
Which DVD? Any appropriate future one...
Which DVD? Any appropriate future one...
Roy...
Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??
It's very clear in my thread what film I'm talking about. The title of the thread is a rather big clue too.
Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??
It's very clear in my thread what film I'm talking about. The title of the thread is a rather big clue too.
Serry.
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.
Serry....
Sorry, Greg, but you as well as everyone else know that nothing will be posted (I'm sure on 99,9999% though I'd like to be proven wrong neither), so why do you post this?
IF THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH TO YOU, WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION, IT'S ALL A BIT POINTLESS.
LIKE YOU... I PERSONALLY DO NOT EXPECT ONE TINY FRAGMENT OF PROOF TO EMERGE (AS MY THREAD OUTLINES IN DETAIL), BUT THE REASON FOR POSTING IT, THE 'POINT' OF IT, AS YOU ASK, IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS CHUM.
Sorry, Greg, but you as well as everyone else know that nothing will be posted (I'm sure on 99,9999% though I'd like to be proven wrong neither), so why do you post this?
IF THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH TO YOU, WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION, IT'S ALL A BIT POINTLESS.
LIKE YOU... I PERSONALLY DO NOT EXPECT ONE TINY FRAGMENT OF PROOF TO EMERGE (AS MY THREAD OUTLINES IN DETAIL), BUT THE REASON FOR POSTING IT, THE 'POINT' OF IT, AS YOU ASK, IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS CHUM.
Apart from Queenzone, i´ve never read anywhere else that the out-takes were in collectors hands!
But it is possible that they do exist in archives (not in Queen archives).
I´m remembering the "Exorcist - Directors Cut". They´ve found the lost takes by accident in an old warehouse. When they saw it was the Exorcist out-takes, they cleaned it re-edit and release it!
I saw a documentary, some time ago (i think it was shared in Queenzone) and the director of the video Bo Rhap was interviewd. I think it´s possible for Queenproductions to get in touch with him - i think he´s in American Idol (?)- and ask him if it´s possible for the out-takes to exist, and if there is a possibillity for the tapes to be archived somwhere. I mean, i think that they just don´t throw away the un-edited stuff!!
And, it´s easier for you Greg, because you know what you´ll get here in Queenzone - more of the same!!
But, good luck.
Take care
But it is possible that they do exist in archives (not in Queen archives).
I´m remembering the "Exorcist - Directors Cut". They´ve found the lost takes by accident in an old warehouse. When they saw it was the Exorcist out-takes, they cleaned it re-edit and release it!
I saw a documentary, some time ago (i think it was shared in Queenzone) and the director of the video Bo Rhap was interviewd. I think it´s possible for Queenproductions to get in touch with him - i think he´s in American Idol (?)- and ask him if it´s possible for the out-takes to exist, and if there is a possibillity for the tapes to be archived somwhere. I mean, i think that they just don´t throw away the un-edited stuff!!
And, it´s easier for you Greg, because you know what you´ll get here in Queenzone - more of the same!!
But, good luck.
Take care
not this again...first that long debate over the 74 Sunbury gig now this...no.
not this again...first that long debate over the 74 Sunbury gig now this...no.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Serry.
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.
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Your logic is the logic of a child.
But I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that there is a difference between
1. something is not proved to exist
2. something is proved to not exist.
The former does not imply the latter.
Can you follow?
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.
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Your logic is the logic of a child.
But I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that there is a difference between
1. something is not proved to exist
2. something is proved to not exist.
The former does not imply the latter.
Can you follow?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Serry.
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.
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I can't, but as I wrote (and what you repeat in your reply) it's useless dialogue "I have it" - "No you don't have it" - "So prove it!" - "No, I won't. Why should I?!" - "You're liar then" - "Ok, but I still have it" - "No!" - "Yes..." etc. There's no pure logic when personal affairs appears (not exactly towards you).
Greg you know it as well as I do. You're an official archivist, you're sure it doesn't exist - okay. Opinion of 0,001% of QZers changes nothing. It won't kill your authority. You can start on QOL (not on forum, but on site itself... Man it's only forum - you may come back and edit what you wrote under any nickname, but main page of QOL is different case) special section "Stop rumours!" and post all what you know about Queen tapes of such kind. If you don't like that people on QZ believe in these 'rumours' - just do it, "I'm Greg Brooks, Queen archivist, THERE ARE NO Bo Rhap out-takes, you can trust me in this on 110%! Regards, GB". I'm sorry for that off-topic, but again as I wrote we all know that nothing will be posted, so...
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.
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I can't, but as I wrote (and what you repeat in your reply) it's useless dialogue "I have it" - "No you don't have it" - "So prove it!" - "No, I won't. Why should I?!" - "You're liar then" - "Ok, but I still have it" - "No!" - "Yes..." etc. There's no pure logic when personal affairs appears (not exactly towards you).
Greg you know it as well as I do. You're an official archivist, you're sure it doesn't exist - okay. Opinion of 0,001% of QZers changes nothing. It won't kill your authority. You can start on QOL (not on forum, but on site itself... Man it's only forum - you may come back and edit what you wrote under any nickname, but main page of QOL is different case) special section "Stop rumours!" and post all what you know about Queen tapes of such kind. If you don't like that people on QZ believe in these 'rumours' - just do it, "I'm Greg Brooks, Queen archivist, THERE ARE NO Bo Rhap out-takes, you can trust me in this on 110%! Regards, GB". I'm sorry for that off-topic, but again as I wrote we all know that nothing will be posted, so...