Okay I heard this one theory regarding sharing official stuff, please read it before leaving any comments.
Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.
For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.
Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.
This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.
This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.
This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong
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"DO NOT POST OFFICIAL MATERIAL OR LINKS TO OFFICIAL MATERIAL HERE."
Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.
Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"DO NOT POST OFFICIAL MATERIAL OR LINKS TO OFFICIAL MATERIAL HERE."
Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.[/QUOTE]
Hold on, I didn't say I disagreed with the rule, all I said was that QZ should not be liable in certain instances, which should take some worry away about them being closed down.
I never said we should share official stuff anyway!!!!!
Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.[/QUOTE]
Hold on, I didn't say I disagreed with the rule, all I said was that QZ should not be liable in certain instances, which should take some worry away about them being closed down.
I never said we should share official stuff anyway!!!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]cexycy wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"DO NOT POST OFFICIAL MATERIAL OR LINKS TO OFFICIAL MATERIAL HERE."
Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.[/QUOTE]
Hold on, I didn't say I disagreed with the rule, all I said was that QZ should not be liable in certain instances, which should take some worry away about them being closed down.
I never said we should share official stuff anyway!!!!![/QUOTE]It's not a matter of it being legal or illegal, The owner of QZ doesn't want this site to be used as an advertising board for recordings illegally being shared on other sites.
It's that simple and should be respected.
Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.[/QUOTE]
Hold on, I didn't say I disagreed with the rule, all I said was that QZ should not be liable in certain instances, which should take some worry away about them being closed down.
I never said we should share official stuff anyway!!!!![/QUOTE]It's not a matter of it being legal or illegal, The owner of QZ doesn't want this site to be used as an advertising board for recordings illegally being shared on other sites.
It's that simple and should be respected.
A question:
BBC Sessions '77 are official?
BBC Sessions '77 are official?
One is, the other three aren't.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]cexycy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay I heard this one theory regarding sharing official stuff, please read it before leaving any comments.
Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.
For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.
Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.
This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.
This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.
This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with this interpretation. My view is that p2p sites provide no signposts of any kind, and thus try and escape copyright law.
However, knowingly linking to copyrighted material would be a....contributory offence (for want of a better phrase)
Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.
For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.
Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.
This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.
This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.
This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with this interpretation. My view is that p2p sites provide no signposts of any kind, and thus try and escape copyright law.
However, knowingly linking to copyrighted material would be a....contributory offence (for want of a better phrase)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SCOM wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A question:
BBC Sessions '77 are official? [/QUOTE]
Nope - only sessions one and three are. And technically so is March Of The Black Queen (I forget which session that it appeared on) as it has been argued on here that it is just the album version but with a fade out
BBC Sessions '77 are official? [/QUOTE]
Nope - only sessions one and three are. And technically so is March Of The Black Queen (I forget which session that it appeared on) as it has been argued on here that it is just the album version but with a fade out
WWRY from the 77 Sessions HAS been released officially!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]cexycy wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay I heard this one theory regarding sharing official stuff, please read it before leaving any comments.
Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.
For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.
Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.
This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.
This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.
This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with this interpretation. My view is that p2p sites provide no signposts of any kind, and thus try and escape copyright law.
However, knowingly linking to copyrighted material would be a....contributory offence (for want of a better phrase) [/QUOTE]
Couldn't of nailed it better myself PG
Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.
For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.
Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.
This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.
This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.
This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with this interpretation. My view is that p2p sites provide no signposts of any kind, and thus try and escape copyright law.
However, knowingly linking to copyrighted material would be a....contributory offence (for want of a better phrase) [/QUOTE]
Couldn't of nailed it better myself PG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Label wrote: [/QUOTENAME]WWRY from the 77 Sessions HAS been released officially! [/QUOTE]
Quite correct actually. I forgot all about that - and Ive got a copy as well - DOH!!. Thanks Mike.
Quite correct actually. I forgot all about that - and Ive got a copy as well - DOH!!. Thanks Mike.
it's a principle and values thing.
I agree it's too much paranoia and the fault would likely lie with the uploader and the actual hosting site.
The fact is official stuff is shared in the hub, which Queenzone LINKS to, advertises, promotes with sticky topics. The folks there just feel a bit safer because the community can be controlled better.
I'm not saying that easily available official stuff should be shared, but things like out of print vinyl-only tracks and such could be treated with a bit more leniency, as they used to be.
From a legal standpoint, Queenzone wouldn't be safe at any given time anyway. Practically once a day a link is given to something official which later is removed.
But unless Richard wants to modify the rule and specify that certain rarer releases could be shared, we should respect the rule because we are guests here.
The fact is official stuff is shared in the hub, which Queenzone LINKS to, advertises, promotes with sticky topics. The folks there just feel a bit safer because the community can be controlled better.
I'm not saying that easily available official stuff should be shared, but things like out of print vinyl-only tracks and such could be treated with a bit more leniency, as they used to be.
From a legal standpoint, Queenzone wouldn't be safe at any given time anyway. Practically once a day a link is given to something official which later is removed.
But unless Richard wants to modify the rule and specify that certain rarer releases could be shared, we should respect the rule because we are guests here.
It's all illegal. Bootlegs are the property of the artists, no matter who recorded them. At least - that's how it is here.
Most artists turn a blind eye unless money is being made. Shit, Live Aid wasn't going to be released ever until Bob Geldof saw the amount of profit being made off it.
Most artists turn a blind eye unless money is being made. Shit, Live Aid wasn't going to be released ever until Bob Geldof saw the amount of profit being made off it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Label wrote: [/QUOTENAME]WWRY from the 77 Sessions HAS been released officially![/QUOTE]
No, it wasn't. Only the second half ('fast') was released on some single to promote the musical.
No, it wasn't. Only the second half ('fast') was released on some single to promote the musical.