[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Hadrian wrote: [/QUOTENAME] In other words, a simple explanation to 'the offender' will do Quinn. [/QUOTE]
No it doesn't, as we've seen above. The explanation "it's still covered by copyright" is met with the response "so? I can't buy it at my local Wal Mart so it's ok to download it illegally off the internet".
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P_G...this is not about something being official or not. It is about Quinn being abusive to the max because this is internet, and he doesn't need to be afraid of a hiding or anything. Nobody would talk like that in real life, if they had a brain (Quinn: hint!), going on like nothing about Hitler and whatnot. Look at his profile, an 18 year old slack (I know that profiles don't need to express the truth). So there you have it. "fuck off and buy, you fag" as a standard reply for requesting deleted material? I remember when I became a Queen fan before the internet was common sense, I read about songs in discographies. I was wondering days and nights what this or that song might sound like. I didn't have a record player then, and I still don't have one. I have downloaded Hijack my Heart, I have downloaded A Human Body. So what. Buying it on Ebay doesn't get money into the artist's pocket either. And it's not even about supporting Roger for writing an anthem like a dozen red roses for my darling. It's just fear of the RIAA or whatever.
However...different opinions or not. TREAT EACH OTHER WITH SOME DECENT RESPECT OR STOP POSTING. YOU'RE AN INSULT FOR THE QUEEN COMMUNITY.
However...different opinions or not. TREAT EACH OTHER WITH SOME DECENT RESPECT OR STOP POSTING. YOU'RE AN INSULT FOR THE QUEEN COMMUNITY.
Some of you get high and mighty when it wouldn't startle me if at some point you've downloaded old Queen b-sides or whatnot that you couldn't find anywhere else. Hell, they were once easy to find on this site a few years back, which is why I asked about them in the first place. Queenzone is where I once found some of those rarities, albeit as lower-quality mp3's.
If the site wants to ban any of that stuff just to be safe, I understand. A simple, "Don't request any previously issued recordings, even if they're unavailable in stores now" would have sufficed.
I got to admit, though, personally I'll still seek them out to freely download because there's no legit way to find them in stores. I've tried to find used copies of the CD singles to no avail. Oh, I suppose there's those Russain sites that aren't bound by much copyright law at all offering low quality mp3s for sale, but that's not much better, is it? I think very few of us are just content to go without some of these lost songs.
If the site wants to ban any of that stuff just to be safe, I understand. A simple, "Don't request any previously issued recordings, even if they're unavailable in stores now" would have sufficed.
I got to admit, though, personally I'll still seek them out to freely download because there's no legit way to find them in stores. I've tried to find used copies of the CD singles to no avail. Oh, I suppose there's those Russain sites that aren't bound by much copyright law at all offering low quality mp3s for sale, but that's not much better, is it? I think very few of us are just content to go without some of these lost songs.
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No it doesn't, as we've seen above. The explanation "it's still covered by copyright" is met with the response "so? I can't buy it at my local Wal Mart so it's ok to download it illegally off the internet".
(I paraphrased)[/QUOTE]
I'll say you paraphrased. Quinn wasn't anywhere near that direct or polite. Of course, I guess it's not just him since I've been called a dweeb now, as well. And Wal-Mart is the devil. ;-)
This is a difficult topic. Jan78 I think is presenting the most realistic view. Is it technically illegal to download these tracks? Probably. Is anyone going to enforce downloading of deleted material? Who knows but likely not. As Queen is losing no money over it, are people who won't download these tracks reacting mostly out of a fear of the RIAA? I think so. If you're claiming a moral stance based on the artist's profit, there's nothing to stand on. I think most Queen fans who see those tracks listed in the discography and by nature want to have them are going to try and get them through some form of trading if there's nowhere to buy them. I guess we'll take our chances on what is a gray area and is likely not a big deal. I suppose some are satisfied to say that since the songs aren't available anymore, they just can't have them. I doubt few fans actually do that. What I'm hoping is that Queen would finally release that danged anthology of rarities and end this once and for all.
No it doesn't, as we've seen above. The explanation "it's still covered by copyright" is met with the response "so? I can't buy it at my local Wal Mart so it's ok to download it illegally off the internet".
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I'll say you paraphrased. Quinn wasn't anywhere near that direct or polite. Of course, I guess it's not just him since I've been called a dweeb now, as well. And Wal-Mart is the devil. ;-)
This is a difficult topic. Jan78 I think is presenting the most realistic view. Is it technically illegal to download these tracks? Probably. Is anyone going to enforce downloading of deleted material? Who knows but likely not. As Queen is losing no money over it, are people who won't download these tracks reacting mostly out of a fear of the RIAA? I think so. If you're claiming a moral stance based on the artist's profit, there's nothing to stand on. I think most Queen fans who see those tracks listed in the discography and by nature want to have them are going to try and get them through some form of trading if there's nowhere to buy them. I guess we'll take our chances on what is a gray area and is likely not a big deal. I suppose some are satisfied to say that since the songs aren't available anymore, they just can't have them. I doubt few fans actually do that. What I'm hoping is that Queen would finally release that danged anthology of rarities and end this once and for all.
These fellows who attack people lack maturity and self-control, as well as obviously exhibiting a manifestation of their own miserable feelings by projecting such hatred onto others.
As for the argument about people not learning the easy way.. nonsense. The hateful responses just lead to arguments like this one every time. Is that really teaching anyone anything?
If you explain politely that such items aren't allowed to be shared and the person argues, you can be mature and drop it, having stated the rules already.
As for the argument about people not learning the easy way.. nonsense. The hateful responses just lead to arguments like this one every time. Is that really teaching anyone anything?
If you explain politely that such items aren't allowed to be shared and the person argues, you can be mature and drop it, having stated the rules already.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME](Let Me Be Your) Laptop Bunny wrote: [/QUOTENAME]These fellows who attack people lack maturity and self-control, as well as obviously exhibiting a manifestation of their own miserable feelings by projecting such hatred onto others.
As for the argument about people not learning the easy way.. nonsense. The hateful responses just lead to arguments like this one every time. Is that really teaching anyone anything?
If you explain politely that such items aren't allowed to be shared and the person argues, you can be mature and drop it, having stated the rules already. [/QUOTE]
Exactly. Not everyone knows the laws and rules of this site. So what you're saying, Quinn, is that you want everyone up here to study this site and find out all of the information they can about it and Queen (because you & others have blasted people before about "search for it before you post a question, you lazy moron") and also federal and state laws, as you yourself have done??? Again, not everyone is going to know everything, unlike yourself, so go easy on them. A simple, "hey, you can't do that up here" would suffice before you rip into them and call them a cunt and other disgusting language as that.
As for the argument about people not learning the easy way.. nonsense. The hateful responses just lead to arguments like this one every time. Is that really teaching anyone anything?
If you explain politely that such items aren't allowed to be shared and the person argues, you can be mature and drop it, having stated the rules already. [/QUOTE]
Exactly. Not everyone knows the laws and rules of this site. So what you're saying, Quinn, is that you want everyone up here to study this site and find out all of the information they can about it and Queen (because you & others have blasted people before about "search for it before you post a question, you lazy moron") and also federal and state laws, as you yourself have done??? Again, not everyone is going to know everything, unlike yourself, so go easy on them. A simple, "hey, you can't do that up here" would suffice before you rip into them and call them a cunt and other disgusting language as that.
As much as I'd love to hear this track myself, I'm sorry to say that it's official and therefore cannot be shared here.
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No it doesn't, as we've seen above. The explanation "it's still covered by copyright" is met with the response "so? I can't buy it at my local Wal Mart so it's ok to download it illegally off the internet".
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Not if you're willing to accept some basic facts. We shall see.
[QUOTE]Is it technically illegal to download these tracks? Probably. [/QUOTE]
Probably? Good start to your point. It is an absolute breach of copyright law.
[QUOTE]Is anyone going to enforce downloading of deleted material? Who knows but likely not.
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Based on what evidence? You can't just decide that the answer to that is whatever suits your point, you have to back it up.Isn't there a thread on here about the RIAA suing a guy who uploaded 5 songs?
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Sorry, but you haven't been on here very long, and so far I've seen nothing (personally speaking) to suggest that what you think should be given any credence whatsoever. If what you say is true then there would be no market for secondhand Queen records (which by the way also highlights that there still is a way to buy them)
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I guess we'll take our chances on what is a gray area and is likely not a big deal.
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As an alternative, why don't we respect the wishes of the site's owner, who doesn't want to get sued as neither he nor the record companies see any grey area?
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What I'm hoping is that Queen would finally release that danged anthology of rarities and end this once and for all.[/QUOTE]
Gee, do you think that could ever happen?* If they did, would you whinge that it was too expensive to buy all at once as a means of justifying continuing to download material? Or would you suggest that as it wasn't a worldwide release and you didn't know how to import it, THAT was a reason to download stuff from it? I'm sure you wouldn't, but it's clear to me, having been knocking this site for years, that many people who share your general view on this subject WOULD make those arguments - and this is partially why you got such a negative response in the first place, as you'd know if you read this site instead of just leaping in and starting topics (I don't know how long it was between signing up and starting to ask for stuff, but I guess it wasn't that long).
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*Is a couple of months really too long to wait, or are you also so uninformed that the irony of this line has completely bypassed you?
No it doesn't, as we've seen above. The explanation "it's still covered by copyright" is met with the response "so? I can't buy it at my local Wal Mart so it's ok to download it illegally off the internet".
(I paraphrased)[/QUOTE]
This is a difficult topic.[/QUOTE]
Not if you're willing to accept some basic facts. We shall see.
[QUOTE]Is it technically illegal to download these tracks? Probably. [/QUOTE]
Probably? Good start to your point. It is an absolute breach of copyright law.
[QUOTE]Is anyone going to enforce downloading of deleted material? Who knows but likely not.
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Based on what evidence? You can't just decide that the answer to that is whatever suits your point, you have to back it up.Isn't there a thread on here about the RIAA suing a guy who uploaded 5 songs?
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I think most Queen fans who see those tracks listed in the discography and by nature want to have them are going to try and get them through some form of trading if there's nowhere to buy them. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, but you haven't been on here very long, and so far I've seen nothing (personally speaking) to suggest that what you think should be given any credence whatsoever. If what you say is true then there would be no market for secondhand Queen records (which by the way also highlights that there still is a way to buy them)
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I guess we'll take our chances on what is a gray area and is likely not a big deal.
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As an alternative, why don't we respect the wishes of the site's owner, who doesn't want to get sued as neither he nor the record companies see any grey area?
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What I'm hoping is that Queen would finally release that danged anthology of rarities and end this once and for all.[/QUOTE]
Gee, do you think that could ever happen?* If they did, would you whinge that it was too expensive to buy all at once as a means of justifying continuing to download material? Or would you suggest that as it wasn't a worldwide release and you didn't know how to import it, THAT was a reason to download stuff from it? I'm sure you wouldn't, but it's clear to me, having been knocking this site for years, that many people who share your general view on this subject WOULD make those arguments - and this is partially why you got such a negative response in the first place, as you'd know if you read this site instead of just leaping in and starting topics (I don't know how long it was between signing up and starting to ask for stuff, but I guess it wasn't that long).
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*Is a couple of months really too long to wait, or are you also so uninformed that the irony of this line has completely bypassed you?
Again, this is where you go. http://blogdeinnuendo.blogspot.com/
Check the Demories Please Majesties, Complete Rare Demo and Studio Live, Ultimate Rarities, CD Single Box, Unobtainable...all in the Varios section. I guess you might find what you like. There's been heaps of discussions about official material and copyright laws in the past. Does anyone remember that sharing bootlegs isn't the most legal thing to do either? And do the FLAC-fanatics care?
End of story.
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Check the Demories Please Majesties, Complete Rare Demo and Studio Live, Ultimate Rarities, CD Single Box, Unobtainable...all in the Varios section. I guess you might find what you like. There's been heaps of discussions about official material and copyright laws in the past. Does anyone remember that sharing bootlegs isn't the most legal thing to do either? And do the FLAC-fanatics care?
End of story.
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"Sorry, but you haven't been on here very long, and so far I've seen nothing (personally speaking) to suggest that what you think should be given any credence whatsoever. If what you say is true then there would be no market for secondhand Queen records (which by the way also highlights that there still is a way to buy them)"
Been a member of this site since 1996 and a Queen fan long enough to know that plenty of people have downloaded the unavailable tracks we're talking about. And as was pointed out before, plunking down wads of cash for an old CD does nothing to benefit the band. You're just supportng the second-hand market.
"As an alternative, why don't we respect the wishes of the site's owner, who doesn't want to get sued as neither he nor the record companies see any grey area?"
I haven't been arguing that those songs should be available on this site. Now that I know the policy, I accept that we'e not supposed to post them. As I said before, there was a time when you could find that stuff here and I thought it was still in effect. We've just been discussing the issue of downloading the songs in general.
"Gee, do you think that could ever happen?*"
I've heard stories of its impending release for some years. Is it for real this time? If so, I'm ecstatic.
"If they did, would you whinge that it was too expensive to buy all at once as a means of justifying continuing to download material?"
Don't make assumptions. If the band is selling those tracks again, nice and spiffy on new CDs, I'll be plunking down my cash (or credit) ASAP.
"(I don't know how long it was between signing up and starting to ask for stuff, but I guess it wasn't that long)."
Wrong again. I dunno, 11 years isn't long in cosmic terms. I've been around long enough to remember when the board was more civil.
Been a member of this site since 1996 and a Queen fan long enough to know that plenty of people have downloaded the unavailable tracks we're talking about. And as was pointed out before, plunking down wads of cash for an old CD does nothing to benefit the band. You're just supportng the second-hand market.
"As an alternative, why don't we respect the wishes of the site's owner, who doesn't want to get sued as neither he nor the record companies see any grey area?"
I haven't been arguing that those songs should be available on this site. Now that I know the policy, I accept that we'e not supposed to post them. As I said before, there was a time when you could find that stuff here and I thought it was still in effect. We've just been discussing the issue of downloading the songs in general.
"Gee, do you think that could ever happen?*"
I've heard stories of its impending release for some years. Is it for real this time? If so, I'm ecstatic.
"If they did, would you whinge that it was too expensive to buy all at once as a means of justifying continuing to download material?"
Don't make assumptions. If the band is selling those tracks again, nice and spiffy on new CDs, I'll be plunking down my cash (or credit) ASAP.
"(I don't know how long it was between signing up and starting to ask for stuff, but I guess it wasn't that long)."
Wrong again. I dunno, 11 years isn't long in cosmic terms. I've been around long enough to remember when the board was more civil.
I downloaded the 2005 version of Teo Torriate.
Felt bad about it afterwards, so I went out, bought some Jesters pies and gave them to the first vagrant I saw. Felt better.
Felt bad about it afterwards, so I went out, bought some Jesters pies and gave them to the first vagrant I saw. Felt better.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]KJG wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This fits for Valentine's Day. Anyone have a high quality version of this and possibly the extended version?
While I'm asking, does anyone have the Queen b-sides, like Stealin' and My Life Has Been Saved (original version)?
Thanks!
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Does anyone have a copy of A Night at the Opera they could give me? Or maybe a copy of The Game? I've always wanted them, and don't want to pay for them...
While I'm asking, does anyone have the Queen b-sides, like Stealin' and My Life Has Been Saved (original version)?
Thanks!
Kevin[/QUOTE]
Does anyone have a copy of A Night at the Opera they could give me? Or maybe a copy of The Game? I've always wanted them, and don't want to pay for them...
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Does anyone have a copy of A Night at the Opera they could give me? Or maybe a copy of The Game? I've always wanted them, and don't want to pay for them...[/QUOTE]
You know...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]L-R-TIGER1994 would probably say: [/QUOTENAME]sure thing! fuck the law![/QUOTE]
That'd be the gist, at any rate.
Does anyone have a copy of A Night at the Opera they could give me? Or maybe a copy of The Game? I've always wanted them, and don't want to pay for them...[/QUOTE]
You know...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]L-R-TIGER1994 would probably say: [/QUOTENAME]sure thing! fuck the law![/QUOTE]
That'd be the gist, at any rate.
*whistles quietly amidst the chaos* I simply stand back and watch the misery unfurl!! I told you Thomas Quinn was going to have your ass for breakfast dude!! I'm not saying anything. There are administrators, and leeches. I'm neither. I'm more of what you could call a 'prophet'. I just sort of...know what's going on before it does.
After further deliberations it would seem apparent that ThomasQuin suffers from a severe case of Flaccid penile syndrome which leads to being a soft cock. He is only a bees dick off possibly being in the same category as John S Stuart and Serry who have proven constantly to be suffering from fuckwit itis.
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Enough said
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Enough said