Scully: But you'll go to the conventions that SHE organises, listen to the rarities that SHE prises out of QP via Jim Beech and probably you'll record the concerts that SHE provides that are shown on QTV in the chalets. How many rarities have YOU distributed for us ALL to listen to.
Jacky has done more than any Queen fan in keeping the name alive and bringing people togther who have gone on to make lifelong friends.
Why should she be sacked, expand? Is this about the autographs the fan club USED to put out.
It just sounds like a grudge to me.
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Marillion used to do that - they had official bootlegs sold at symbolic prices on their website.
Queen tried to do that with the 100 booglegs thingy, but the project failed miserably. Why? Because fans didn't want to pay to download something they had already downladed for free. especially since there wasn't any improvent in quality.
We all know that Queen have recorded virtually EVERY SHOW since 1974, and I would imagine that at least 80% of these recordings are soundboard quality. For a project like that to work they should release those recordings. But that is highly unlikely.
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Queen tried to do that with the 100 booglegs thingy, but the project failed miserably. Why? Because fans didn't want to pay to download something they had already downladed for free. especially since there wasn't any improvent in quality.
We all know that Queen have recorded virtually EVERY SHOW since 1974, and I would imagine that at least 80% of these recordings are soundboard quality. For a project like that to work they should release those recordings. But that is highly unlikely.
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I don't think having a special rarity cd released would save the fanclub. But I think a Members Only section on the website for example would!
And as Martin said, they have to bring Queenonline and the fanclub back together. Maybe remove the fanclub website and have it integrated in the official Queensite.
But they seriously have to think about something to save the fanclub. These days there are absolutely NO advantages in being a member. You get a few pieces of paper stapled together with news that is 3 months old and pictures of dogs wearing Queen shirts. The only thing that is remotely nice is the letter from Brian or Roger. But in these days of the internet you can read news 10 minutes after it happened. And you can read whats on Brians mind every part of the day on his website.
They have to change, they have to go along with the time and technology. Just a piece of paper will not do anymore. They have to think about logging on with your members pass on the website and then you get for example video messages from the band. And they could use this new QPR project for this. Seriously, if they would be putting up videos of them in the studio, with little sneak peaks and interviews. I would send them a mail to make me a member again right now!
Think!!
And as Martin said, they have to bring Queenonline and the fanclub back together. Maybe remove the fanclub website and have it integrated in the official Queensite.
But they seriously have to think about something to save the fanclub. These days there are absolutely NO advantages in being a member. You get a few pieces of paper stapled together with news that is 3 months old and pictures of dogs wearing Queen shirts. The only thing that is remotely nice is the letter from Brian or Roger. But in these days of the internet you can read news 10 minutes after it happened. And you can read whats on Brians mind every part of the day on his website.
They have to change, they have to go along with the time and technology. Just a piece of paper will not do anymore. They have to think about logging on with your members pass on the website and then you get for example video messages from the band. And they could use this new QPR project for this. Seriously, if they would be putting up videos of them in the studio, with little sneak peaks and interviews. I would send them a mail to make me a member again right now!
Think!!
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1. I don't attend Conventions.
2. I listen to rarities that GB plays and some kind fan records for the rest of us. Jacky doesn't "share" anything at all, just like I don't. If you're thankful for hearing a few rarities at her Convention, then I can let you hear some tracks in my home. No difference.
> Jacky has done more than any Queen fan in
> keeping the name alive."
In the 80's - yes, of course. Since Freddie's death - definitely not.
> Why should she be sacked, expand? Is this
> about the autographs the fan club USED to put
> out."
No, that's a minor thing. The main thing is that she is losing members and doing nothing about it. What's the difference between fan club in 1997 and fan club in 2007? NONE. Of course it's her business, her money, her thing. But she will lose.
1. I don't attend Conventions.
2. I listen to rarities that GB plays and some kind fan records for the rest of us. Jacky doesn't "share" anything at all, just like I don't. If you're thankful for hearing a few rarities at her Convention, then I can let you hear some tracks in my home. No difference.
> Jacky has done more than any Queen fan in
> keeping the name alive."
In the 80's - yes, of course. Since Freddie's death - definitely not.
> Why should she be sacked, expand? Is this
> about the autographs the fan club USED to put
> out."
No, that's a minor thing. The main thing is that she is losing members and doing nothing about it. What's the difference between fan club in 1997 and fan club in 2007? NONE. Of course it's her business, her money, her thing. But she will lose.
I don't think that QOL and the Fan Club could be integrated. I think it's been discussed over at QOL before that the website is an EMI product with QP control. In effect, you're asking that EMI and QP allow a third entity that is in trouble and has its own agenda to play in EMI's/QP's virtual sandbox. I just don't see it happening. QOL is better served without the hassle.
I'm also convinced that QP does not operate with hardcore/internet fans in mind. The Top 100 Bootlegs was an attempt, but even it was carried out poorly. I think they are more concerned with mainstream fans who might buy BoRap through itunes rather than throwing us a bone.
I'm also convinced that QP does not operate with hardcore/internet fans in mind. The Top 100 Bootlegs was an attempt, but even it was carried out poorly. I think they are more concerned with mainstream fans who might buy BoRap through itunes rather than throwing us a bone.
Jacky worked hard to keep the FC alive because it gave her and her sister jobs. If you think she did it "for the fans", you're sadly mistaken. I remember attending the MIH launch at Hammy Odeon and it was a complete and utter shambles - my interest int he whole concept died that day.
If the FC really wanted to, they could turn themselves into an outlet for QPL - making low-fi downloads available for £/$ was certainly NOT the right way to go about it. Their lack of ambition and their own admission of being in it to make money was was clear for all to see.
QPL COULD license rarities out to the QFC in order for them to distribute limited edition releases. QPL could lease them out to ANYONE if they had the ambition, but they don't.
The Who's deal with themusic.com is laudable, but with the lack of variety in the setlists as thtours of 2002, 204, 2006 and 2007 have gone on renders it a little odd - why make so much identical material available? Would be interesting to see the sales figures there. Also, the longliverock torrent, whilst being an excellent, free, "official" outlet for bootlegs, doesn't feature anything that serious, long-term collectors don't already have - there's material out there that will ever make it to the site.
QPL have their own issues and unfortunately, we are the ones paying for that. Sadly.
If the FC really wanted to, they could turn themselves into an outlet for QPL - making low-fi downloads available for £/$ was certainly NOT the right way to go about it. Their lack of ambition and their own admission of being in it to make money was was clear for all to see.
QPL COULD license rarities out to the QFC in order for them to distribute limited edition releases. QPL could lease them out to ANYONE if they had the ambition, but they don't.
The Who's deal with themusic.com is laudable, but with the lack of variety in the setlists as thtours of 2002, 204, 2006 and 2007 have gone on renders it a little odd - why make so much identical material available? Would be interesting to see the sales figures there. Also, the longliverock torrent, whilst being an excellent, free, "official" outlet for bootlegs, doesn't feature anything that serious, long-term collectors don't already have - there's material out there that will ever make it to the site.
QPL have their own issues and unfortunately, we are the ones paying for that. Sadly.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Who's deal with themusic.com is laudable, but with the lack of variety in the setlists as thtours of 2002, 204, 2006 and 2007 have gone on renders it a little odd - why make so much identical material available? Would be interesting to see the sales figures there. [/QUOTE]
I always figured the deal with themusic.com was more for anyone who was at the particular show (in my case, the Camden show in 2002, and the two Philadelphia shows in 2006) to be able to remember the band as they saw them that night, warts and all, without having to wait so long for an official thing to be released. I never took it for a collector's thing, to purchase every show based on the different setlists (which there aren't many, at least for The Who). Plus, it's for charity, which is cool, so even though I bought the two Philadelphia shows I was at, and there wasn't much of a setlist change on either night, I like having them so that I can remember how good the shows were while always helping out the Teenage Cancer Trust.
I think that QPR should implement this, even if their setlists remain the same, just for the charity aspect and for the souvenir.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Also, the longliverock torrent, whilst being an excellent, free, "official" outlet for bootlegs, doesn't feature anything that serious, long-term collectors don't already have - there's material out there that will ever make it to the site.[/QUOTE]
That's true, I suppose, but I don't know what Who shows are rare and are considered gems among collectors; as far as I know, LLR was established by a fan who contacted Pete and proposed the idea, which he liked and endorsed. Thus, most, if not all, of the shows that are put up there range from very good to excellent audience recordings, as well as soundboard and DVDs. I've grabbed lots and lots of stuff off there, and I think a similar thing for Queen would be good (of course, we already have something like that on QZ), just as long as they were as good quality as most of the boots on LLR, instead of the atrocious crap on the Top 100 Bootlegs.
Both ideas would help get their current live shows in the hands of fans who enjoy the QPR collaboration, while also offering a glimpse of the past. There are those no doubt who will argue that it's not the same as buying an album and holding it in your hands -- which I agree, I don't much care for downloading music from iTunes -- but the BitTorrent thing would be free.
Of course, as has been stated, it won't ever happen, because Brian is too much of a perfectionist. While that's great in studio work, it's a detriment to their live output, which is undoubtedly flawed for various reasons, be they due to human error or forces beyond their control. Still, it wouldn't hurt to run the idea by him.
I always figured the deal with themusic.com was more for anyone who was at the particular show (in my case, the Camden show in 2002, and the two Philadelphia shows in 2006) to be able to remember the band as they saw them that night, warts and all, without having to wait so long for an official thing to be released. I never took it for a collector's thing, to purchase every show based on the different setlists (which there aren't many, at least for The Who). Plus, it's for charity, which is cool, so even though I bought the two Philadelphia shows I was at, and there wasn't much of a setlist change on either night, I like having them so that I can remember how good the shows were while always helping out the Teenage Cancer Trust.
I think that QPR should implement this, even if their setlists remain the same, just for the charity aspect and for the souvenir.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Also, the longliverock torrent, whilst being an excellent, free, "official" outlet for bootlegs, doesn't feature anything that serious, long-term collectors don't already have - there's material out there that will ever make it to the site.[/QUOTE]
That's true, I suppose, but I don't know what Who shows are rare and are considered gems among collectors; as far as I know, LLR was established by a fan who contacted Pete and proposed the idea, which he liked and endorsed. Thus, most, if not all, of the shows that are put up there range from very good to excellent audience recordings, as well as soundboard and DVDs. I've grabbed lots and lots of stuff off there, and I think a similar thing for Queen would be good (of course, we already have something like that on QZ), just as long as they were as good quality as most of the boots on LLR, instead of the atrocious crap on the Top 100 Bootlegs.
Both ideas would help get their current live shows in the hands of fans who enjoy the QPR collaboration, while also offering a glimpse of the past. There are those no doubt who will argue that it's not the same as buying an album and holding it in your hands -- which I agree, I don't much care for downloading music from iTunes -- but the BitTorrent thing would be free.
Of course, as has been stated, it won't ever happen, because Brian is too much of a perfectionist. While that's great in studio work, it's a detriment to their live output, which is undoubtedly flawed for various reasons, be they due to human error or forces beyond their control. Still, it wouldn't hurt to run the idea by him.