The effects of Dubya's war

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sherwood Forest wrote: [/QUOTENAME][/QUOTE]

I agree.

Libertarian has much different shades of meaning in the USA -- people like Bill Maher, a strident critic of Bush, considers himself a libertarian, as well as some wackos. The nationalists are in the Republican and Conservative parties. And yes--there are many parties in the USA, it's just that the coalitions are built way before the elections.

The sad part--or, one of the sad parts --about Bush is that it's imbued a lack of faith in government at all, big or small, in the USA.

just seen on the news that the democrats have won the senate vote on the withdraw of troops by oct 2008 but it looks as if bush will veto the vote making it null n void.the bloke is a bigger threat to society than anything else in the world.perhaps he should become a cricket coach,if you get my drift.

For what it's worth, I did email the President and asked him to end the violation of human rights and to find peace in Iraq. I also asked that he ensure that his adminstration work with other countries that are in the UN to resolve the issues in Iraq as well as Guantanamo Bay.

I plan on sending him the same email at least once a week.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]joxerthemighty wrote: [/QUOTENAME]just seen on the news that the democrats have won the senate vote on the withdraw of troops by oct 2008 but it looks as if bush will veto the vote making it null n void.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I didn't see that one coming.

Nothing is going to happen in the US until someone else is elected. Anything voted for by the Dems will just get vetoed by Dubya.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sherwood Forest wrote: [/QUOTENAME][/QUOTE]

I agree.[/QUOTE]

Can I second that?

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]For what it's worth, I did email the President and asked him to end the violation of human rights and to find peace in Iraq. I also asked that he ensure that his adminstration work with other countries that are in the UN to resolve the issues in Iraq as well as Guantanamo Bay.

I plan on sending him the same email at least once a week.[/QUOTE]

The e-mail won't reach the guy. It'll end up being deleted by *anonymous henchman #35 in charge of mail"

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]For what it's worth, I did email the President and asked him to end the violation of human rights and to find peace in Iraq. I also asked that he ensure that his adminstration work with other countries that are in the UN to resolve the issues in Iraq as well as Guantanamo Bay.

I plan on sending him the same email at least once a week.[/QUOTE]

The e-mail won't reach the guy. It'll end up being deleted by *anonymous henchman #35 in charge of mail"[/QUOTE]

That's fine but at least I voiced my feelings.

eh i think hes made a total mess, not paying attention to the consequences of his actions.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]joxerthemighty wrote: [/QUOTENAME]just seen on the news that the democrats have won the senate vote on the withdraw of troops by oct 2008 but it looks as if bush will veto the vote making it null n void.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I didn't see that one coming.

Nothing is going to happen in the US until someone else is elected. Anything voted for by the Dems will just get vetoed by Dubya.
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It doesn't have to pass. They know that he will veto it. They just want to pass it so that they can put the message out there, to the national as well as the international community, that Dubya doesn't speak for everyone, and we (congress) don't agree with what he's doing and are trying to stop it. (Granted they could try a hell of a lot harder, but let's not get too optimistic)

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]joxerthemighty wrote: [/QUOTENAME]just seen on the news that the democrats have won the senate vote on the withdraw of troops by oct 2008 but it looks as if bush will veto the vote making it null n void.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I didn't see that one coming.

Nothing is going to happen in the US until someone else is elected. Anything voted for by the Dems will just get vetoed by Dubya.
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It doesn't have to pass. They know that he will veto it. They just want to pass it so that they can put the message out there, to the national as well as the international community, that Dubya doesn't speak for everyone, and we (congress) don't agree with what he's doing and are trying to stop it. (Granted they could try a hell of a lot harder, but let's not get too optimistic)[/QUOTE]
so its the thought that counts then?

Well, if our legislature didn't pass every bill that they knew would be vetoed, a lot of important lawa wouldn't ever pass. It's called forcing the issue.

Thank you, previous poster.
In this case, yeah, it's the thought that counts. It's the only card they have to play, as they don't have the votes to over-ride a veto.
It's called balance of powers

It's called a borderline autocracy, that hopefully will end in about a year.