1980.07.14 Oakland - third gen

When I saw Av1dkson’s first post I thought it was a windup – instead it has launched a serious argument, generating some good points and a lot of spurious ones.

You’re missing part of the equation – for a market of any kind to exist there has to be demand as well as supply – who would knowingly go for mp3 if you can get FLAC? In my mind, only someone who listens on low-quality speakers or earpods, or has very limited bandwidth, or who doesn’t know the difference. Of these, the first lot will upgrade as soon as they listen on decent equipment, the second once they get broadband, the third need to be educated. As far as QZ is concerned, over the past few months I have seen hardly any mp3 on offer – hopefully this means that demand is disappearing too.

There are two real problems for me : one is mp3-sourced FLACs which really do pollute the trading pool (and undermining people’s trust); the second is people sharing mp3 on QZ/the Hub and reserving their FLACs for trading with supposedly worthy individuals. Fortunately the second group seem to be disappearing as people like Bob share great quality bootlegs with the world at large (thank you again and please continue!), and I would hope that the former will lose credibility after they trade one fake FLAC.

We have technology on our side – ipods with 30/40GB capacity are getting cheaper, making it possible to listen to FLAC if you have the headphones.

If you disagree with the results of Bob’s “experiment”, try it yourself – take a FLAC track, convert to mp3 and you will see (or should I say hear) for yourself. As 928 so correctly pointed out, how can 128 (or even 192) kbs possibly compete with 1411 kbs?

Mike Van, Bob is not beating anyone into submission with his “Keep lossless files lossless”. He’s encouraging all of us to maintain and preserve the quality of the recordings he has gone through some effort to acquire. Where’s the problem?

Bob, please continue with your efforts to share the best quality available. I will help torrenting – my minor contribution to “sharing the music” (and the quality).

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ginger01 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]When I saw Av1dkson’s first post I thought it was a windup – instead it has launched a serious argument, generating some good points and a lot of spurious ones.

You’re missing part of the equation – for a market of any kind to exist there has to be demand as well as supply – who would knowingly go for mp3 if you can get FLAC? In my mind, only someone who listens on low-quality speakers or earpods, or has very limited bandwidth, or who doesn’t know the difference. Of these, the first lot will upgrade as soon as they listen on decent equipment, the second once they get broadband, the third need to be educated. As far as QZ is concerned, over the past few months I have seen hardly any mp3 on offer – hopefully this means that demand is disappearing too.

Fortunately the second group seem to be disappearing as people like Bob share great quality bootlegs with the world at large (thank you again and please continue!), and I would hope that the former will lose credibility after they trade one fake FLAC. There are two real problems for me : one is mp3-sourced FLACs which really do pollute the trading pool (and undermining people’s trust); the second is people sharing mp3 on QZ/the Hub and reserving their FLACs for trading with supposedly worthy individuals.

We have technology on our side – ipods with 30/40GB capacity are getting cheaper, making it possible to listen to FLAC if you have the headphones.

If you disagree with the results of Bob’s “experiment”, try it yourself – take a FLAC track, convert to mp3 and you will see (or should I say hear) for yourself. As 928 so correctly pointed out, how can 128 (or even 192) kbs possibly compete with 14400 kbs?

Mike Van, Bob is not beating anyone into submission with his “Keep lossless files lossless”. He’s encouraging all of us to maintain and preserve the quality of the recordings he has gone through some effort to acquire. Where’s the problem?

Bob, please continue with your efforts to share the best quality available. I will help torrenting – my minor contribution to “sharing the music” (and the quality).
[/QUOTE]Fantastic post! The way you see it is exactly how I see it:-)

Thank you for posting this!

Do you have the last two links for the concert? I'm looking forward to listening to the whole thing.

I bet he would have allready posted the links if he had uploaded the files to mediafire yet. ;-)
At the moment Bob is rocking Toronto at the WWRY Opening.. *fingers crossed*.
He will give us the remaining parts as soon as he is able to I guess. I really wonder (and appreciate) he found time to start this announce just right before that big event. oO

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dr3amSl33p wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I bet he would have allready posted the links if he had uploaded the files to mediafire yet. ;-)
At the moment Bob is rocking Toronto at the WWRY Opening.. *fingers crossed*.
He will give us the remaining parts as soon as he is able to I guess. I really wonder (and appreciate) he found time to start this announce just right before that big event. oO [/QUOTE]

Wish I was rocking out in Toronto!

i really want to hear bohemian! id appreciate even more if you could share the last two

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]turini wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i really want to hear bohemian! id appreciate even more if you could share the last two[/QUOTE]

but you read my post, do you?
"I want.. I want.. I want". Is it so difficult to just wait until Bob has time to upload the rest? At the moment he has far better things to do than satisfying your impatience..

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Wiley wrote: [/QUOTENAME] they would know that if they spend 2 days downloading a the Houston 77 DVD (which had not been online until about 2 years ago) they are getting IT, the REAL DEAL,[/QUOTE]

I would argue that bit.
It wasn't the real deal.
It was a re-encode as it should of been in NTSC and not PAL

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I would argue that bit.
It wasn't the real deal.
It was a re-encode as it should of been in NTSC and not PAL[/QUOTE]

Ok, that is correct. But I was talking about this utopic future where the 'best' version of said recording was available, hehe :).

Still, if that's the only bit of my overlong post that you object, I think that we have more to agree than to disagree.

Regards,

Wiley

Thanks a lot for this!!! Very appreciated!!!
What about parts 5 and 6???

Give the man a little time, he busts his ass to get all of us alot of great music, Im sure he has some other things in life.

av1dkson: Please press a few buttons and share some rare Queen shows in the best available quality with us. Would you please?

I would prefer if he presses a few buttons and shuts down his computer. :)

lol .. but you notice your double moral standard, do you?
Speaking of "serious traders with good reputation" but on the other hand talking about converting Sir GH´s announce into lossy formats to share elsewhere.
I would suggest you lost your reputation here..
And if you call it bashing what was said to you, better go and cry on your mums shoulder.. or wait for 928 - he can teach you what bashing is. :D

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]av1dkson wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hahaha yes thats funny.

I will not be sharing any of my Queen material here (for the immediate future, anyway). It gets shared at another un-named torrent site and through trades with serious traders with good reputations. I have a small (but very interesting) amount of video footage that is not in circulation right now (one pro shot and 3 audience shot), and I MAY torrent one of these in the future but I need the permission of the taper first and he is difficult to get hold of. Until that time I suggest that you stop bashing me - or it'll never be circulated.

Any INXS fans in here ;) lol[/QUOTE]

Haha. Laughable. Please, go back in the shadows and stop wasting our time, please. Oh and leave our oxygen alone too.