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Nummer2 wrote:
If we want to keep generous collectors (like Bob, among others) active on QZ, we have to obey their rules. It's as easy as that.


<b><font color="blue">Mr. Farenheit wrote:
I obbey Sir Bob's rules, because i want to keep the lossless files as lossless, and obviously he's the best in that.


But the thing is... I'm not making any rules. Technology is making the rules. Richard, who runs this forum, is the one who makes the rules. I'm just a single person doing what he can to circulate decent recordings. Because it's possible to preserve quality, I choose to do it, and I encourage others to do the same. It's really as simple as that. I feel we have made a lot of progress here in the past 6 months.

Anyone who disagrees can try to explain why, but as of now, I still haven't yet heard an argument to suggest how spreading several versions of one recording is going to help anything. I always encourage people to give me constructive criticism of anything I do, and I'm always happy to update any stance I have on any issue, as long as there is a decent reason to. But all we've got here is a couple people attacking the person, and not the problem.

Mike Van wrote:
For some reason, he cannot adapt to mp3 sharing, and chooses to try to beat mp3 sharers into submission.


Not at all. I have no problem with people converting FLAC to mp3 for their own use. I have said that countless times (in fact, I currently have 8 recordings that are still in mp3, but only because there are no upgrades yet... like Portland 74 and Dortmund 79). Of course, mp3 is better than nothing, as long as there is no alternative. But you use the words "adapt to mp3 sharing" as if it is a requirement in all cases. That would be like criticizing a scientist because he isn't open to adapting to those who still practice alchemy.

av1dkson wrote:
I don't think bashing a member for their computer speakers is a very good way to do things either, Bob.


I didn't bash him. I stated a fact. At that time, he was arguing that mp3 files sound as good as FLAC files, yet he said he listens to them on small computer speakers. How can one possibly notice the difference in sound quality on 3" speakers? He could easily insert headphones into his sound card to listen to the files, but instead, he's making excuse after excuse to avoid admitting he's wrong.

Btw, why are you hiding behind an alias? What are you afraid of?

Where exactly did I throw out a personal insult? All I have done is state facts. Just because one disagrees with facts doesn't make the facts "insults". In the past, Mike has indicated that he doesn't even understand the difference a generation of tape can make, never mind lossless vs lossy. This isn't a personal attack. It's a fact.

All I want is a reason... somebody, please tell me, why should mp3s be acceptable? "Because some people want them to exist" is not an answer. That's about as good as a parent telling a child "because I said so" (not to imply for a second that pro-mp3 people are somehow the "parent" in this situation). If I'm going to spend any more time having this discussion, there needs to be constructive arguments on both sides. I've got mine, so what's yours?
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Lossless CD quality...1411kbps
Mp3s best quality....320kbps

& some say Mp3 is no different?

Now this is not completely correct ,but one way of looking at it is that all you mp3 lovers are missing 1091kbps of the recording.
If you are a fan,wouldn't you want to hear what that stuff was?

Lesson Over Mike...lol
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When I saw Av1dkson’s first post I thought it was a windup – instead it has launched a serious argument, generating some good points and a lot of spurious ones.

You’re missing part of the equation – for a market of any kind to exist there has to be demand as well as supply – who would knowingly go for mp3 if you can get FLAC? In my mind, only someone who listens on low-quality speakers or earpods, or has very limited bandwidth, or who doesn’t know the difference. Of these, the first lot will upgrade as soon as they listen on decent equipment, the second once they get broadband, the third need to be educated. As far as QZ is concerned, over the past few months I have seen hardly any mp3 on offer – hopefully this means that demand is disappearing too.

There are two real problems for me : one is mp3-sourced FLACs which really do pollute the trading pool (and undermining people’s trust); the second is people sharing mp3 on QZ/the Hub and reserving their FLACs for trading with supposedly worthy individuals. Fortunately the second group seem to be disappearing as people like Bob share great quality bootlegs with the world at large (thank you again and please continue!), and I would hope that the former will lose credibility after they trade one fake FLAC.

We have technology on our side – ipods with 30/40GB capacity are getting cheaper, making it possible to listen to FLAC if you have the headphones.

If you disagree with the results of Bob’s “experiment”, try it yourself – take a FLAC track, convert to mp3 and you will see (or should I say hear) for yourself. As 928 so correctly pointed out, how can 128 (or even 192) kbs possibly compete with 1411 kbs?

Mike Van, Bob is not beating anyone into submission with his “Keep lossless files lossless”. He’s encouraging all of us to maintain and preserve the quality of the recordings he has gone through some effort to acquire. Where’s the problem?

Bob, please continue with your efforts to share the best quality available. I will help torrenting – my minor contribution to “sharing the music” (and the quality).
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Ginger01 wrote:
When I saw Av1dkson’s first post I thought it was a windup – instead it has launched a serious argument, generating some good points and a lot of spurious ones.

You’re missing part of the equation – for a market of any kind to exist there has to be demand as well as supply – who would knowingly go for mp3 if you can get FLAC? In my mind, only someone who listens on low-quality speakers or earpods, or has very limited bandwidth, or who doesn’t know the difference. Of these, the first lot will upgrade as soon as they listen on decent equipment, the second once they get broadband, the third need to be educated. As far as QZ is concerned, over the past few months I have seen hardly any mp3 on offer – hopefully this means that demand is disappearing too.

Fortunately the second group seem to be disappearing as people like Bob share great quality bootlegs with the world at large (thank you again and please continue!), and I would hope that the former will lose credibility after they trade one fake FLAC. There are two real problems for me : one is mp3-sourced FLACs which really do pollute the trading pool (and undermining people’s trust); the second is people sharing mp3 on QZ/the Hub and reserving their FLACs for trading with supposedly worthy individuals.

We have technology on our side – ipods with 30/40GB capacity are getting cheaper, making it possible to listen to FLAC if you have the headphones.

If you disagree with the results of Bob’s “experiment”, try it yourself – take a FLAC track, convert to mp3 and you will see (or should I say hear) for yourself. As 928 so correctly pointed out, how can 128 (or even 192) kbs possibly compete with 14400 kbs?

Mike Van, Bob is not beating anyone into submission with his “Keep lossless files lossless”. He’s encouraging all of us to maintain and preserve the quality of the recordings he has gone through some effort to acquire. Where’s the problem?

Bob, please continue with your efforts to share the best quality available. I will help torrenting – my minor contribution to “sharing the music” (and the quality).
Fantastic post! The way you see it is exactly how I see it:-)
on my way up
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Thank you for posting this!

Do you have the last two links for the concert? I'm looking forward to listening to the whole thing.
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I bet he would have allready posted the links if he had uploaded the files to mediafire yet. ;-)
At the moment Bob is rocking Toronto at the WWRY Opening.. *fingers crossed*.
He will give us the remaining parts as soon as he is able to I guess. I really wonder (and appreciate) he found time to start this announce just right before that big event. oO
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Dr3amSl33p wrote:
I bet he would have allready posted the links if he had uploaded the files to mediafire yet. ;-)
At the moment Bob is rocking Toronto at the WWRY Opening.. *fingers crossed*.
He will give us the remaining parts as soon as he is able to I guess. I really wonder (and appreciate) he found time to start this announce just right before that big event. oO


Wish I was rocking out in Toronto!
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i really want to hear bohemian! id appreciate even more if you could share the last two
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turini wrote:
i really want to hear bohemian! id appreciate even more if you could share the last two


but you read my post, do you?
"I want.. I want.. I want". Is it so difficult to just wait until Bob has time to upload the rest? At the moment he has far better things to do than satisfying your impatience..
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Wiley wrote:
they would know that if they spend 2 days downloading a the Houston 77 DVD (which had not been online until about 2 years ago) they are getting IT, the REAL DEAL,


I would argue that bit.
It wasn't the real deal.
It was a re-encode as it should of been in NTSC and not PAL
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928 wrote:

I would argue that bit.
It wasn't the real deal.
It was a re-encode as it should of been in NTSC and not PAL


Ok, that is correct. But I was talking about this utopic future where the 'best' version of said recording was available, hehe :).

Still, if that's the only bit of my overlong post that you object, I think that we have more to agree than to disagree.

Regards,

Wiley
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Thanks a lot for this!!! Very appreciated!!!
What about parts 5 and 6???
andrea
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Give the man a little time, he busts his ass to get all of us alot of great music, Im sure he has some other things in life.
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av1dkson: Please press a few buttons and share some rare Queen shows in the best available quality with us. Would you please?
... I'll be back again before it's time for sunny-down ...
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I would prefer if he presses a few buttons and shuts down his computer. :)
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