[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Oh, I do have to pop in on this one, because this is such bullshit. First off, I am not a fan of Don Imus.
Don Imus is not that much different than Howard Stern, except Stern has crossed the line many more times and much more offensive than Imus.
What exactly is so offensive about "nappy-headed ho's"? The Ghetto Boys put out a song 15 years earlier called "Bald headed ho" and they never had any backlash, although a year later Bushwick Bill survived getting shot in the eye.
When the coach of the women's team came on the air, her hair was indeed "nappy". What is that weave-thing you call up there?
It's time for the Black man to step up and say that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not represent the entire Black community. Did they apologize to the Duke LaCrosse team? Yet they were both quick to pronounce them guilty at the time of the arrests.
Has Ice T apologized to cops for the song "Cop Killa"?
What about that movie "White Men Can't Jump?" I can jump, and am pastely white. Where's my apology from Wesley Snipes? I never made a movie called "Black Actor can't pay his taxes"... but it's in the works.
Don Imus' mistake was apologizing in the first place, which was forced upon him by the same people that just fired him. At last count, Imus has apologized 852 times.
He should have said:
"Folks, this is a comedy/news program.
Sometimes we say things that all people
don't agree with. I urge them to consult
the manual for their radios on how to
change the station."[/QUOTE]
ya beat me to it.
i cant fucking stand double standards. either everyone can say racist thing, or noone. i prefere noone.
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I knew he was going to get fired as soon as his sponsors started jumping ship. MusicMan is right. Don Imus is not a cash cow...he brings in the money from the sponsors. When they decide they don't want to sponsor him anymore, he isn't serving his purpose to bring in the money. So, once you have ceased serving your purpose, getting fired is the next step. That's reality. He'll be back up an running again, probably on Satellite radio.
As far as his comments go...it was not appropriate to say them. But I don't think it's appropriate for rappers or comedians to say them, either. That double standard has always bothered me. Why is it black people can get away with calling themselves the "N" word but when a non-black person says it...whoa boy. Watch the shit hit the fan. It's because of familiarity. You can diss your mom all you want, but when someone else disses your mom, it changes the context of the situation.
This is why I can't stand rap music. They make money saying things that are not only degrading, sexist, racist and homophobic, they make money saying things that anyone else would get prosecuted for. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have said things that, if they were white, they would have gotten flogged for. Yet, they can get away with it. I think, if they want to claim that it needs to stop, then they should stop as well. Let's make it a fair stop for all, not a double-standard.
And BTW...this goes for all groups, not just African Americans. Latinos, Gays, Asians and Caucasians...they all say things to each other that any other group would be killed for. Wanna stop tolerating this behavior? Good. Then lets be fair about it and stop EVERYONE of EVERY GROUP from profiting from language like that. Don't like that idea? Then you better get used to the double standard.
As far as his comments go...it was not appropriate to say them. But I don't think it's appropriate for rappers or comedians to say them, either. That double standard has always bothered me. Why is it black people can get away with calling themselves the "N" word but when a non-black person says it...whoa boy. Watch the shit hit the fan. It's because of familiarity. You can diss your mom all you want, but when someone else disses your mom, it changes the context of the situation.
This is why I can't stand rap music. They make money saying things that are not only degrading, sexist, racist and homophobic, they make money saying things that anyone else would get prosecuted for. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have said things that, if they were white, they would have gotten flogged for. Yet, they can get away with it. I think, if they want to claim that it needs to stop, then they should stop as well. Let's make it a fair stop for all, not a double-standard.
And BTW...this goes for all groups, not just African Americans. Latinos, Gays, Asians and Caucasians...they all say things to each other that any other group would be killed for. Wanna stop tolerating this behavior? Good. Then lets be fair about it and stop EVERYONE of EVERY GROUP from profiting from language like that. Don't like that idea? Then you better get used to the double standard.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME] I knew he was going to get fired as soon as his sponsors started jumping ship. MusicMan is right. Don Imus is not a cash cow...he brings in the money from the sponsors. When they decide they don't want to sponsor him anymore, he isn't serving his purpose to bring in the money. So, once you have ceased serving your purpose, getting fired is the next step. That's reality. He'll be back up an running again, probably on Satellite radio.
As far as his comments go...it was not appropriate to say them. But I don't think it's appropriate for rappers or comedians to say them, either. That double standard has always bothered me. Why is it black people can get away with calling themselves the "N" word but when a non-black person says it...whoa boy. Watch the shit hit the fan. It's because of familiarity. You can diss your mom all you want, but when someone else disses your mom, it changes the context of the situation.
This is why I can't stand rap music. They make money saying things that are not only degrading, sexist, racist and homophobic, they make money saying things that anyone else would get prosecuted for. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have said things that, if they were white, they would have gotten flogged for. Yet, they can get away with it. I think, if they want to claim that it needs to stop, then they should stop as well. Let's make it a fair stop for all, not a double-standard.
And BTW...this goes for all groups, not just African Americans. Latinos, Gays, Asians and Caucasians...they all say things to each other that any other group would be killed for. Wanna stop tolerating this behavior? Good. Then lets be fair about it and stop EVERYONE of EVERY GROUP from profiting from language like that. Don't like that idea? Then you better get used to the double standard. [/QUOTE]
XD you basically ellaborated everything i said, well put!
As far as his comments go...it was not appropriate to say them. But I don't think it's appropriate for rappers or comedians to say them, either. That double standard has always bothered me. Why is it black people can get away with calling themselves the "N" word but when a non-black person says it...whoa boy. Watch the shit hit the fan. It's because of familiarity. You can diss your mom all you want, but when someone else disses your mom, it changes the context of the situation.
This is why I can't stand rap music. They make money saying things that are not only degrading, sexist, racist and homophobic, they make money saying things that anyone else would get prosecuted for. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have said things that, if they were white, they would have gotten flogged for. Yet, they can get away with it. I think, if they want to claim that it needs to stop, then they should stop as well. Let's make it a fair stop for all, not a double-standard.
And BTW...this goes for all groups, not just African Americans. Latinos, Gays, Asians and Caucasians...they all say things to each other that any other group would be killed for. Wanna stop tolerating this behavior? Good. Then lets be fair about it and stop EVERYONE of EVERY GROUP from profiting from language like that. Don't like that idea? Then you better get used to the double standard. [/QUOTE]
XD you basically ellaborated everything i said, well put!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
i cant fucking stand double standards. either everyone can say racist thing, or noone. i prefere noone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think of it this way: everyone should be able to say it, but no one should say it. In that way, it's kind of like my opinion on drugs.
Here's a quote by Alan Kors, concerning censorship and "diversity measures" on public university campuses:
"What universities are saying by these codes, special protections, and double standards: to women, to blacks, to Hispanics, to gay and lesbian students is, 'You are too weak to live with freedom. You are too weak to live with the first amendment.' If someone tells you you are too weak to live with freedom, they have turned you into a child."
I agree 100%.
i cant fucking stand double standards. either everyone can say racist thing, or noone. i prefere noone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think of it this way: everyone should be able to say it, but no one should say it. In that way, it's kind of like my opinion on drugs.
Here's a quote by Alan Kors, concerning censorship and "diversity measures" on public university campuses:
"What universities are saying by these codes, special protections, and double standards: to women, to blacks, to Hispanics, to gay and lesbian students is, 'You are too weak to live with freedom. You are too weak to live with the first amendment.' If someone tells you you are too weak to live with freedom, they have turned you into a child."
I agree 100%.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
i cant fucking stand double standards. either everyone can say racist thing, or noone. i prefere noone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think of it this way: everyone should be able to say it, but no one should say it. In that way, it's kind of like my opinion on drugs.
Here's a quote by Alan Kors, concerning censorship and "diversity measures" on public university campuses:
"What universities are saying by these codes, special protections, and double standards: to women, to blacks, to Hispanics, to gay and lesbian students is, 'You are too weak to live with freedom. You are too weak to live with the first amendment.' If someone tells you you are too weak to live with freedom, they have turned you into a child."
I agree 100%.[/QUOTE]
that makes sense.
still doesnt change my opnion tho XD
inevitably, a level of it will always exist. the level could/should decrease to near-extinction preferably :P
that quote actually reminded me of a scott weiland article on drugs. it basically said if they made drugs legal, the rush [of illegality] would be gone, and there would still be the same amount of people if not less, without the thrill-seekers, and people would still be the same, there are addicts and then there are recreationists. alcohol is legal, but not everyone is a drunk or alcoholic.
anyway...
i cant fucking stand double standards. either everyone can say racist thing, or noone. i prefere noone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think of it this way: everyone should be able to say it, but no one should say it. In that way, it's kind of like my opinion on drugs.
Here's a quote by Alan Kors, concerning censorship and "diversity measures" on public university campuses:
"What universities are saying by these codes, special protections, and double standards: to women, to blacks, to Hispanics, to gay and lesbian students is, 'You are too weak to live with freedom. You are too weak to live with the first amendment.' If someone tells you you are too weak to live with freedom, they have turned you into a child."
I agree 100%.[/QUOTE]
that makes sense.
still doesnt change my opnion tho XD
inevitably, a level of it will always exist. the level could/should decrease to near-extinction preferably :P
that quote actually reminded me of a scott weiland article on drugs. it basically said if they made drugs legal, the rush [of illegality] would be gone, and there would still be the same amount of people if not less, without the thrill-seekers, and people would still be the same, there are addicts and then there are recreationists. alcohol is legal, but not everyone is a drunk or alcoholic.
anyway...
For drugs, the biggest reason I think there is for legalization is the elimination of black markets. If people want something that is illegal, there will inevitably be a black market for it. Do you know how they settle disputes in black markets? They don't go to courts - they use violence.
Prostitution should also be legal for the same exact reason. Why the fuck would a victimless crime be legally punishable anyway? Fuck!
Prostitution should also be legal for the same exact reason. Why the fuck would a victimless crime be legally punishable anyway? Fuck!
I just saw that the title of Halle Berry's next film will be "Nappily Everafter". I trust that the good Revs Sharpton and Jackson will be picketing in front of the theatre...Not.
what i think:
Imus is a jack ass, but he always has been. He always said outrageous things about anyone who came on the show, even his own family. He's a "shock jock"- he says things for shock value. But he did have some great, important interviews and got loads of great people on the show. I cant believe he called a bunch of students- who he doesn't know, and has nothing to do with- a bunch of nappy headed hos. That's ridiculous they didn't do anything to him, they have nothing to do with him! He should get some serious retribution but i don't think they should have taken away his show. I also don't get why anyone who offends the entire" black community has to go kiss Sharpton's ass. He's the biggest racist there is out there. I don't think anyone even remembers what he did way back when
Imus is a jack ass, but he always has been. He always said outrageous things about anyone who came on the show, even his own family. He's a "shock jock"- he says things for shock value. But he did have some great, important interviews and got loads of great people on the show. I cant believe he called a bunch of students- who he doesn't know, and has nothing to do with- a bunch of nappy headed hos. That's ridiculous they didn't do anything to him, they have nothing to do with him! He should get some serious retribution but i don't think they should have taken away his show. I also don't get why anyone who offends the entire" black community has to go kiss Sharpton's ass. He's the biggest racist there is out there. I don't think anyone even remembers what he did way back when
I guess tomorrow at work, I'll go up to the senior accountants and executive directors who are African American women, and call them this term to their faces. After all, I'm simply exercising my First Amendment right (and they'll exercise theirs with a pink slip). Or say it to some of our daughter's college friends. Maybe I could do the same if I ever met Condi Rice in person. According to Microwave, there's nothing offensive about it.
You're not serious, are you?
I could go on and on about the different aspects commented on.
Just because a word or phrase has been around a while, does not make it OK. The 'n' word has been around for a few centuries if memory serves.
What Imus said was inexcusable. There was no humor intended. If he wants to sit around with his good ol' boys off air and say such things, that's his business. On the air, he crossed the line. Surprised it took so long. He should have been canned years ago for some of his comments ("Venus Williams being more suited for National Geographic than Playboy" shows a deep-seeded bigotry). But in this day of YouTube and 24 hour 'news' stations, word travels fast.
Sharpton and Jesse.....tired of them as well. Wish it was someone else. Wonder when those two (along with Nancy Grace) make a personal apology to the Duke lacrosse players that were involved in the BS 'non' rape case.
I'll give a kudo to Bill O'Reilly (and it ain't easy). He said Imus' fate was sealed as soon as people saw the Rutgers' press conference. How intelligent and dignified and well-spoken those young women were.
A pity Don never saw the girls play. The last minute of their one point win over Duke in the regional semis was one of the most dramatic of ALL college games this year. Defensively set the record for fewest points allowed in a women's Final Four match against LSU. Came up short against Tennessee and Pat Summit, but what a good year for Rutgers sports considering how well the football team performed. What did he say about the men? Or the Florida men for their b-ball title?
Well, back to the cancellation. Advertisers began to pull out....partly from the pressures exerted by employees of the sponsors. Cal Ripken was supposed to promote his book last Tuesday of all days, but pulled out because he did not want to be associated with the man.
60 years after Jackie Robinson's first game. Progress is indeed slow.
You're not serious, are you?
I could go on and on about the different aspects commented on.
Just because a word or phrase has been around a while, does not make it OK. The 'n' word has been around for a few centuries if memory serves.
What Imus said was inexcusable. There was no humor intended. If he wants to sit around with his good ol' boys off air and say such things, that's his business. On the air, he crossed the line. Surprised it took so long. He should have been canned years ago for some of his comments ("Venus Williams being more suited for National Geographic than Playboy" shows a deep-seeded bigotry). But in this day of YouTube and 24 hour 'news' stations, word travels fast.
Sharpton and Jesse.....tired of them as well. Wish it was someone else. Wonder when those two (along with Nancy Grace) make a personal apology to the Duke lacrosse players that were involved in the BS 'non' rape case.
I'll give a kudo to Bill O'Reilly (and it ain't easy). He said Imus' fate was sealed as soon as people saw the Rutgers' press conference. How intelligent and dignified and well-spoken those young women were.
A pity Don never saw the girls play. The last minute of their one point win over Duke in the regional semis was one of the most dramatic of ALL college games this year. Defensively set the record for fewest points allowed in a women's Final Four match against LSU. Came up short against Tennessee and Pat Summit, but what a good year for Rutgers sports considering how well the football team performed. What did he say about the men? Or the Florida men for their b-ball title?
Well, back to the cancellation. Advertisers began to pull out....partly from the pressures exerted by employees of the sponsors. Cal Ripken was supposed to promote his book last Tuesday of all days, but pulled out because he did not want to be associated with the man.
60 years after Jackie Robinson's first game. Progress is indeed slow.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
What Imus said was inexcusable. There was no humor intended.
[/QUOTE]
Your post was decent, however I will disagree on this point. I'm sure his sole intention was humor, rather than being derogatory to black people. Some people can take offensive humor, and some can't. If you can't, change your radio station. If you can, tune in.
There is a Constitutional right defending one's freedom of expression. There is no, should not be, and never will be a freedom from being offended. Now that would be just ridiculous.
What Imus said was inexcusable. There was no humor intended.
[/QUOTE]
Your post was decent, however I will disagree on this point. I'm sure his sole intention was humor, rather than being derogatory to black people. Some people can take offensive humor, and some can't. If you can't, change your radio station. If you can, tune in.
There is a Constitutional right defending one's freedom of expression. There is no, should not be, and never will be a freedom from being offended. Now that would be just ridiculous.
I would watch a movie called 'Black Actor Can't Pay His Taxes'. That would rock.
From what I have briefly read of him he seems like a bit of a dill but isn't there certainly a line that is carefully tread on radio like this?
From what I have briefly read of him he seems like a bit of a dill but isn't there certainly a line that is carefully tread on radio like this?
Will we ever see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson organizing a march in front of the headquarters of Def Jam, Death Row, and Bad Boy Records for promoting racism, violence, and the sexual objectification of women?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I guess tomorrow at work, I'll go up to the senior accountants and executive directors who are African American women, and call them this term to their faces. After all, I'm simply exercising my First Amendment right (and they'll exercise theirs with a pink slip). Or say it to some of our daughter's college friends. Maybe I could do the same if I ever met Condi Rice in person. According to Microwave, there's nothing offensive about it. [/QUOTE]
I didn't say you wouldn't get your ass kicked!!! But you're allowed to say whatever you want. If you wanna go that route, then you obviously don't know when to use humor.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You're not serious, are you?[/QUOTE]
I am most serious. You've never lived somewhere where it IS against the law to say something, have you?
I guess I still owe someone a mule and 40 acres also, right? No, I wasn't alive during slavery and I've never owned one. Not my fault. Not my duty to apologize for it either.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I could go on and on about the different aspects commented on. [/QUOTE] Oh, please do...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Just because a word or phrase has been around a while, does not make it OK. The 'n' word has been around for a few centuries if memory serves.
[/QUOTE]
So why is OK for blacks to call each other that name? Why is allowed at all? You're setting yourself up GoodCo.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What Imus said was inexcusable. There was no humor intended. If he wants to sit around with his good ol' boys off air and say such things, that's his business. On the air, he crossed the line. Surprised it took so long. He should have been canned years ago for some of his comments ("Venus Williams being more suited for National Geographic than Playboy" shows a deep-seeded bigotry). But in this day of YouTube and 24 hour 'news' stations, word travels fast. [/QUOTE]
Where are you when the other talk show hosts do similar? Ever listen to Stern? He crosses the line daily. I can change the channel if I don't like it. What's wrong with your radio?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sharpton and Jesse.....tired of them as well. Wish it was someone else. Wonder when those two (along with Nancy Grace) make a personal apology to the Duke lacrosse players that were involved in the BS 'non' rape case.[/QUOTE]
You're just as bad as them. Laying down in agreement with them without seeing the big picture. Remember what Janet Jackson did? Enforced a delay and now TV is even smuttier. Didn't work then, aint gonna work now.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'll give a kudo to Bill O'Reilly (and it ain't easy). [/QUOTE]
What a shock there!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He said Imus' fate was sealed as soon as people saw the Rutgers' press conference. How intelligent and dignified and well-spoken those young women were.[/QUOTE]
But the coach's hair was indeed "nappy". Why didn't she immediately go to the stylist knowing she was going to be on TV about it? Cheryl Miller's hair looked awesome. So did some of the players. But c'mon coach!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A pity Don never saw the girls play.[/QUOTE]
Nobody else did either!!! They couldn't even fill up the arena halfway. IT'S WOMEN'S BASKETBALL!!! THIS IS THE MOST PUBLICITY THEY'VE EVER GOTTEN!!! THEY SHOULD BE EMBRACING IMUS AND THANKING HIM!!! FINALLY THE REST OF AMERICA KNOWS THEY HAVE A WOMEN'S TEAM!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The last minute of their one point win over Duke in the regional semis was one of the most dramatic of ALL college games this year. [/QUOTE]
Now it's my turn to ask you: You're not serious are you?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Defensively set the record for fewest points all
I didn't say you wouldn't get your ass kicked!!! But you're allowed to say whatever you want. If you wanna go that route, then you obviously don't know when to use humor.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You're not serious, are you?[/QUOTE]
I am most serious. You've never lived somewhere where it IS against the law to say something, have you?
I guess I still owe someone a mule and 40 acres also, right? No, I wasn't alive during slavery and I've never owned one. Not my fault. Not my duty to apologize for it either.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I could go on and on about the different aspects commented on. [/QUOTE] Oh, please do...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Just because a word or phrase has been around a while, does not make it OK. The 'n' word has been around for a few centuries if memory serves.
[/QUOTE]
So why is OK for blacks to call each other that name? Why is allowed at all? You're setting yourself up GoodCo.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What Imus said was inexcusable. There was no humor intended. If he wants to sit around with his good ol' boys off air and say such things, that's his business. On the air, he crossed the line. Surprised it took so long. He should have been canned years ago for some of his comments ("Venus Williams being more suited for National Geographic than Playboy" shows a deep-seeded bigotry). But in this day of YouTube and 24 hour 'news' stations, word travels fast. [/QUOTE]
Where are you when the other talk show hosts do similar? Ever listen to Stern? He crosses the line daily. I can change the channel if I don't like it. What's wrong with your radio?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sharpton and Jesse.....tired of them as well. Wish it was someone else. Wonder when those two (along with Nancy Grace) make a personal apology to the Duke lacrosse players that were involved in the BS 'non' rape case.[/QUOTE]
You're just as bad as them. Laying down in agreement with them without seeing the big picture. Remember what Janet Jackson did? Enforced a delay and now TV is even smuttier. Didn't work then, aint gonna work now.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'll give a kudo to Bill O'Reilly (and it ain't easy). [/QUOTE]
What a shock there!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He said Imus' fate was sealed as soon as people saw the Rutgers' press conference. How intelligent and dignified and well-spoken those young women were.[/QUOTE]
But the coach's hair was indeed "nappy". Why didn't she immediately go to the stylist knowing she was going to be on TV about it? Cheryl Miller's hair looked awesome. So did some of the players. But c'mon coach!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A pity Don never saw the girls play.[/QUOTE]
Nobody else did either!!! They couldn't even fill up the arena halfway. IT'S WOMEN'S BASKETBALL!!! THIS IS THE MOST PUBLICITY THEY'VE EVER GOTTEN!!! THEY SHOULD BE EMBRACING IMUS AND THANKING HIM!!! FINALLY THE REST OF AMERICA KNOWS THEY HAVE A WOMEN'S TEAM!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The last minute of their one point win over Duke in the regional semis was one of the most dramatic of ALL college games this year. [/QUOTE]
Now it's my turn to ask you: You're not serious are you?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Defensively set the record for fewest points all
I mighta responded a bit in depth, but I found the counterpoint a bit too juvenile.
No, just no one here watches Womens Basketball either. Sorry dude, wasn't personal.