Simply awful.... this is worse than Columbine
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Indeed; read the story this evening, very sad.
That's too sad :(.
Too many evil things in this world, with terrorists and nutcases
Too many evil things in this world, with terrorists and nutcases
It's horrible. I can't imagine the terror the parent's of those students must be feeling, not knowing if their child is among the dead. It's awful. The whole thing is awful. And then, typically, the bastard shot himself. AFTER he killed and wounded all those people.
Two 9mm handguns were involved in this, btw... cause, you know, people have the 'right to bear arms'. How anyone can still defend that 'right' is a wonder to me.
Two 9mm handguns were involved in this, btw... cause, you know, people have the 'right to bear arms'. How anyone can still defend that 'right' is a wonder to me.
On the contrary, the effects of this tragedy would be mitigated if gun laws were not so stringent. Outlawing guns would merely produce a black market for them, more violence, and a higher proportion of guns would be in the hands of criminals. Black markets are not only harmful to the economy, but they also promote violence (consider the illegalization of prostitution and drugs). This is because "contract" disputes cannot be settled in courts, and therefore violence is used instead.
Secondly, a person should have the basic right to do anything he wishes, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others (sadly, this is not practiced in all modern laws, such as those outlawing gay marriage and other victimless crimes). Owning a gun does not infringe upon any other person's rights.
Finally, by outlawing guns, one effectively prevents a person to defend himself not only from other people, but the oppression of the government itself. This is perhaps the most compelling reason for the second amendment, and surely the one in mind when it was drafted. If we eliminate this right, all the rest of the rights we enjoy are threatened.
Secondly, a person should have the basic right to do anything he wishes, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others (sadly, this is not practiced in all modern laws, such as those outlawing gay marriage and other victimless crimes). Owning a gun does not infringe upon any other person's rights.
Finally, by outlawing guns, one effectively prevents a person to defend himself not only from other people, but the oppression of the government itself. This is perhaps the most compelling reason for the second amendment, and surely the one in mind when it was drafted. If we eliminate this right, all the rest of the rights we enjoy are threatened.
:( That's horrible
It's on the UK news channels every minute.
You just feel deeply sad for the loss of the familys of the dead. You also feel how could such a crazy person could be aloud in the building. He had a gun right? They should seriously start having metal detectors in all Schools and Colleges as you pass in and out the buildings.
You just feel deeply sad for the loss of the familys of the dead. You also feel how could such a crazy person could be aloud in the building. He had a gun right? They should seriously start having metal detectors in all Schools and Colleges as you pass in and out the buildings.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]On the contrary, the effects of this tragedy would be mitigated if gun laws were not so stringent. Outlawing guns would merely produce a black market for them, more violence, and a higher proportion of guns would be in the hands of criminals. Black markets are not only harmful to the economy, but they also promote violence (consider the illegalization of prostitution and drugs). This is because "contract" disputes cannot be settled in courts, and therefore violence is used instead.
Secondly, a person should have the basic right to do anything he wishes, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others (sadly, this is not practiced in all modern laws, such as those outlawing gay marriage and other victimless crimes). Owning a gun does not infringe upon any other person's rights.
Finally, by outlawing guns, one effectively prevents a person to defend himself not only from other people, but the oppression of the government itself. This is perhaps the most compelling reason for the second amendment, and surely the one in mind when it was drafted. If we eliminate this right, all the rest of the rights we enjoy are threatened.[/QUOTE]
I think we discussed about this before... You give arguments which are never proven, while in Europe guns are actually outlawed and there are fewer accidents here. But let's be honest... Legal guns or illegal guns. I think that nothing would have stopped this idiot of killing those people.
Terrible... I feel sorry for the family and friends of all the victims.
Secondly, a person should have the basic right to do anything he wishes, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others (sadly, this is not practiced in all modern laws, such as those outlawing gay marriage and other victimless crimes). Owning a gun does not infringe upon any other person's rights.
Finally, by outlawing guns, one effectively prevents a person to defend himself not only from other people, but the oppression of the government itself. This is perhaps the most compelling reason for the second amendment, and surely the one in mind when it was drafted. If we eliminate this right, all the rest of the rights we enjoy are threatened.[/QUOTE]
I think we discussed about this before... You give arguments which are never proven, while in Europe guns are actually outlawed and there are fewer accidents here. But let's be honest... Legal guns or illegal guns. I think that nothing would have stopped this idiot of killing those people.
Terrible... I feel sorry for the family and friends of all the victims.
That's a very, very good post, The Mir@cle. No amount of statistics will convince people who believe in guns of Americans right to carry them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=#CC0066 face="Bradley Hand ITC"> The Mir@cle </font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]On the contrary, the effects of this tragedy would be mitigated if gun laws were not so stringent. Outlawing guns would merely produce a black market for them, more violence, and a higher proportion of guns would be in the hands of criminals. Black markets are not only harmful to the economy, but they also promote violence (consider the illegalization of prostitution and drugs). This is because "contract" disputes cannot be settled in courts, and therefore violence is used instead.
Secondly, a person should have the basic right to do anything he wishes, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others (sadly, this is not practiced in all modern laws, such as those outlawing gay marriage and other victimless crimes). Owning a gun does not infringe upon any other person's rights.
Finally, by outlawing guns, one effectively prevents a person to defend himself not only from other people, but the oppression of the government itself. This is perhaps the most compelling reason for the second amendment, and surely the one in mind when it was drafted. If we eliminate this right, all the rest of the rights we enjoy are threatened.[/QUOTE]
I think we discussed about this before... You give arguments which are never proven, while in Europe guns are actually outlawed and there are fewer accidents here. But let's be honest... Legal guns or illegal guns. I think that nothing would have stopped this idiot of killing those people.
Terrible... I feel sorry for the family and friends of all the victims.[/QUOTE]
It's officially the deadliest shooting in United States history.
Accidents are NO justification for legislation. The government has no responsibility to prevent us from making accidents. To even believe that is absolutely absurd.
The government's responsibility should be limited to protecting our freedoms, not taking them away to shape society in the way it deems fit. It is a gross injustice to prevent someone from living their life the way they want to, if this way of life does not infringe upon the rights of others. Throw out any statistics you like, but this principle should not waver, not ever. Perhaps it is different in Europe, but in the United States, rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness should be (but sadly aren't always) INALIENABLE.
Guns should also be legal because we all have the right to defend ourselves. Those 30+ people that died today could not depend on the government to protect them, but could have easily defended themselves if gun laws were not so stringent.
Finally, my arguments are proven. All the various black markets that currently exist, most notably drugs, operate in the same manner. What you mentioned, concerning accidental injury, has nothing to do with this argument at all.
Secondly, a person should have the basic right to do anything he wishes, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others (sadly, this is not practiced in all modern laws, such as those outlawing gay marriage and other victimless crimes). Owning a gun does not infringe upon any other person's rights.
Finally, by outlawing guns, one effectively prevents a person to defend himself not only from other people, but the oppression of the government itself. This is perhaps the most compelling reason for the second amendment, and surely the one in mind when it was drafted. If we eliminate this right, all the rest of the rights we enjoy are threatened.[/QUOTE]
I think we discussed about this before... You give arguments which are never proven, while in Europe guns are actually outlawed and there are fewer accidents here. But let's be honest... Legal guns or illegal guns. I think that nothing would have stopped this idiot of killing those people.
Terrible... I feel sorry for the family and friends of all the victims.[/QUOTE]
It's officially the deadliest shooting in United States history.
Accidents are NO justification for legislation. The government has no responsibility to prevent us from making accidents. To even believe that is absolutely absurd.
The government's responsibility should be limited to protecting our freedoms, not taking them away to shape society in the way it deems fit. It is a gross injustice to prevent someone from living their life the way they want to, if this way of life does not infringe upon the rights of others. Throw out any statistics you like, but this principle should not waver, not ever. Perhaps it is different in Europe, but in the United States, rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness should be (but sadly aren't always) INALIENABLE.
Guns should also be legal because we all have the right to defend ourselves. Those 30+ people that died today could not depend on the government to protect them, but could have easily defended themselves if gun laws were not so stringent.
Finally, my arguments are proven. All the various black markets that currently exist, most notably drugs, operate in the same manner. What you mentioned, concerning accidental injury, has nothing to do with this argument at all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That's a very, very good post, The Mir@cle. No amount of statistics will convince people who believe in guns of Americans right to carry them. [/QUOTE]
We all know that statistics are bullshit, and can be spun to say whatever you want. However, I agree that statistics are a good way to determine things. But they should NEVER, EVER be used to COMPROMISE our basic rights to absolute negative liberty.
We all know that statistics are bullshit, and can be spun to say whatever you want. However, I agree that statistics are a good way to determine things. But they should NEVER, EVER be used to COMPROMISE our basic rights to absolute negative liberty.
shocking news.
but at least its given sky news something to report now instead of just going on about prince bloody william and his girlfriend splitting up.
but at least its given sky news something to report now instead of just going on about prince bloody william and his girlfriend splitting up.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]joxerthecornishpirate wrote: [/QUOTENAME]shocking news.
but at least its given sky news something to report now instead of just going on about prince bloody william and his girlfriend splitting up.[/QUOTE]
I know you ment well, but that sounded wrong! xD
but at least its given sky news something to report now instead of just going on about prince bloody william and his girlfriend splitting up.[/QUOTE]
I know you ment well, but that sounded wrong! xD
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]joxerthecornishpirate wrote: [/QUOTENAME]shocking news.
but at least its given sky news something to report now instead of just going on about prince bloody william and his girlfriend splitting up.[/QUOTE]
I know you ment well, but that sounded wrong! xD[/QUOTE]
probably could of phrased it better but you get my drift.THIS is news,even if its bad.prince william splitting up with kate ISNT imho,and that is all sky and others have been going on about for the last 2 days.
but at least its given sky news something to report now instead of just going on about prince bloody william and his girlfriend splitting up.[/QUOTE]
I know you ment well, but that sounded wrong! xD[/QUOTE]
probably could of phrased it better but you get my drift.THIS is news,even if its bad.prince william splitting up with kate ISNT imho,and that is all sky and others have been going on about for the last 2 days.
Yes, they should make all guns illegal. That way no one would be able to get one.
If we could not blame the following for this shooting, that would be nice:
1. Gun Laws
2. Bush
3. Rutgers
4. Sanjaya
The idea about metal detectors is nice, but hardly realistic. Remember, people PAY MONEY to go to college. Who is going to want to go to one that requires a bulletproof vest?
I've often wondered in these school shootings: What is the ROTC program doing at those times? Bring back the early morning marches in full dress. That way if you see some guy waving a gun, it's easier to convince him to stop doing that with a batallion than University Police. It took the University Police two hours to investigate the first shooting? Campus should have been on lock-down at that exact moment.
If we could not blame the following for this shooting, that would be nice:
1. Gun Laws
2. Bush
3. Rutgers
4. Sanjaya
The idea about metal detectors is nice, but hardly realistic. Remember, people PAY MONEY to go to college. Who is going to want to go to one that requires a bulletproof vest?
I've often wondered in these school shootings: What is the ROTC program doing at those times? Bring back the early morning marches in full dress. That way if you see some guy waving a gun, it's easier to convince him to stop doing that with a batallion than University Police. It took the University Police two hours to investigate the first shooting? Campus should have been on lock-down at that exact moment.