[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Do you people know how large a 5 octave range is???
Please tell me who you think has a 5 octave range.
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Do you even know what a vocal range is, dumbass?
http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/carey.asp
"(...)and a five-octave range (claimed of legendary Peruvian soprano Yma Sumac and pop star Whitney Houston, for example) is extraordinary".
"Mariah Carey does indeed have a fice voice, possibly even close to six octaves in range".
Whitney Houston 5 octaves, Mariah Carey nearly 6...
Maybe MIKA doesn't have such a big vocal range, but it's definitely not "impossible".
Freddie's vocal range wasn't TOO big. Big vocal range doesn't mean good singer, neither small range means bad singer. Get over it.[/QUOTE]No, Raf, SomebodyWhoLoves is right.
A 5 octave range is inhuman. Unless you're counting falsetto voice too, but it's still much too crazy.
With falsetto I have an almost 4 octave range, without falsetto, I'm 3 octave. And that is actually pretty big, but that's because I can reach very low notes (Db1 is my bottom note).
Voices with large vocal ranges, are most likely to be low voices that can also reach very high notes. For example, Robin Gibb. He is a baritone, though you will hear him sing REALLY high most of the time... but when he sings low, his voice doesn't lose any strenght or deepness, he sings with ease any song. And that is what makes you a tenor or a baritone, in this case.
Being a "pop" singer (and that includes rock and pretty much any style that's not opera) is WAY TOO DIFFERENT from being an opera singer. The mechanisms are just completely different.
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I too think big vocal range doesn't mean a good singer. The point is there are also other elements we can find about the great singers. Indeed, Freddie's wasn't too big. But his voice showed much variety even in his earlier career, sometimes sweet, sometimes sad, malicious, funny, pompous (and always sexy! :D)...we may need some more adjectives to describe his vocals and very often some of those are mingled in one song. Moreover his vocals have something to touch and uplift one's heart. I think that's one of the reasons he's been appreciated as one of the greatest singers. As for Mika...I've found his voice amazing, and especially as to Grace Kelly his vocals are funny. But well, I'm not sure yet about his other possibility as a singer. I think he has something special though. Maybe, he hasn't yet had a chance to show his other possibility of his voice due to his music genre and he's just made his debut.
Matias, when we talk about someone's vocal range, don't we count all the notes that the artist sounds good at, including falsettos? I always thought Freddie's 3 and a half octaves included his falsettos.
The link I provided seems to count Mariah's falsettos.
The link I provided seems to count Mariah's falsettos.
I've been told not to count falsetto as part of my range before.... Hmm! I suppose some folk have different standards.
...... HOW ABOUT THAT TED NEELEY
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...... HOW ABOUT THAT TED NEELEY
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with falsett my vocal range is four
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]innuendo1990 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]with falsett my vocal range is four[/QUOTE]
With the amount of hot air you conjure up, I'm surprised it's not 8.
With the amount of hot air you conjure up, I'm surprised it's not 8.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]innuendo1990 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]with falsett my vocal range is four[/QUOTE]
With the amount of hot air you conjure up, I'm surprised it's not 8.[/QUOTE]
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOL. Scotty, you are good at making me pee myself! :D
With the amount of hot air you conjure up, I'm surprised it's not 8.[/QUOTE]
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOL. Scotty, you are good at making me pee myself! :D
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Matias, when we talk about someone's vocal range, don't we count all the notes that the artist sounds good at, including falsettos? I always thought Freddie's 3 and a half octaves included his falsettos.
The link I provided seems to count Mariah's falsettos.[/QUOTE]Actually, we don't count falsetto notes as part of the "real" vocal range.
However, pop singers are most likely to be tenors... so with a vocal range of 2 octaves, you've pretty much nailed most of the songs of any group.
Let's say... from D2 to D4. It's not an incredibly big range but it's in the right place. That's what really matters about this range thing.
Having a large range doesn't make you a good singer, just allows you to sing more songs than a person whose range is shorter than yours... and that's it. That's how far it goes.
The link I provided seems to count Mariah's falsettos.[/QUOTE]Actually, we don't count falsetto notes as part of the "real" vocal range.
However, pop singers are most likely to be tenors... so with a vocal range of 2 octaves, you've pretty much nailed most of the songs of any group.
Let's say... from D2 to D4. It's not an incredibly big range but it's in the right place. That's what really matters about this range thing.
Having a large range doesn't make you a good singer, just allows you to sing more songs than a person whose range is shorter than yours... and that's it. That's how far it goes.
I agree - that's what I was trying to say in some post I made a long time ago... :P
It really depends on what you count as "range".
Classically, falsetto doesn't count. THEN AGAIN - it would for "counter-tenors" (which can have a baritone base) and coloratura sopranos.
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I would say Freddie actually did have a fairly big range - the same way I would say someone with an IQ of 140 has a fairly high IQ. Just because someone might have an IQ of 160 or 300 doesn't mean that 140 isn't high.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT MR. MERCURY WASN'T WHISTLING HIS RANGE.
Freddie, to my knowledge, never used "whistle register" - which I think makes his range more "impressive".
For instance, if a girl could sing from C3-C6 in chest and head voice, this would be the same range as Freddie from F1-F4 - three octaves. Really excellent. "That girl", even if she could get in two more octaves would pretty much have to use "whistle register" to attain much more.
So, really - Freddie's range is, in my mind, comparable to Ms. Carey's - on the grounds that her chest and head voice can't (or couldn't have been) be much more than three octaves.
Perhaps if Freddie were trained, he could do some fancy canary magic to whistle up his range. But as it stands, I think that three octaves without falsetto is great - and comparable to "the best".
It really depends on what you count as "range".
Classically, falsetto doesn't count. THEN AGAIN - it would for "counter-tenors" (which can have a baritone base) and coloratura sopranos.
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I would say Freddie actually did have a fairly big range - the same way I would say someone with an IQ of 140 has a fairly high IQ. Just because someone might have an IQ of 160 or 300 doesn't mean that 140 isn't high.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT MR. MERCURY WASN'T WHISTLING HIS RANGE.
Freddie, to my knowledge, never used "whistle register" - which I think makes his range more "impressive".
For instance, if a girl could sing from C3-C6 in chest and head voice, this would be the same range as Freddie from F1-F4 - three octaves. Really excellent. "That girl", even if she could get in two more octaves would pretty much have to use "whistle register" to attain much more.
So, really - Freddie's range is, in my mind, comparable to Ms. Carey's - on the grounds that her chest and head voice can't (or couldn't have been) be much more than three octaves.
Perhaps if Freddie were trained, he could do some fancy canary magic to whistle up his range. But as it stands, I think that three octaves without falsetto is great - and comparable to "the best".
What exactly does vocal range show? A mathematical equation of notes? As a vocalist, Pete Townshend may have a two octave range, and he uses more emotion in a phrase than Mariah Carey and her 27 octave range does in her entire catalogue. People get too hung up on range for vocalists, and speed for guitarists. People who sing and plat for the song are always better artists in the pop world, as the song is king, not the show-offy aspects of the song.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What exactly does vocal range show? A mathematical equation of notes? As a vocalist, Pete Townshend may have a two octave range, and he uses more emotion in a phrase than Mariah Carey and her 27 octave range does in her entire catalogue. People get too hung up on range for vocalists, and speed for guitarists. People who sing and plat for the song are always better artists in the pop world, as the song is king, not the show-offy aspects of the song. [/QUOTE]
well said.
i hate it when people put skill over emotion. its so easy to do, and talent is one thing, but did they write the songs? do they understand what theyre singing? probably not, because their skill (or in some cases "skill") overrides emotion. skill is only a part of it. its a bonus. but you can only hear a syllable sung in 300 different notes for so long. it gets annoying.
well said.
i hate it when people put skill over emotion. its so easy to do, and talent is one thing, but did they write the songs? do they understand what theyre singing? probably not, because their skill (or in some cases "skill") overrides emotion. skill is only a part of it. its a bonus. but you can only hear a syllable sung in 300 different notes for so long. it gets annoying.
I don't care what anyone says here.
NOBODY has a FIVE OCTAVE RANGE. NOBODY!!
Freddie's 3.5 Octave range for a guy is huge. Yes, a few men might have higher, but NOBODY has 5 octaves.
Try this. Go to a piano and play the scales over 5 ranges. TRY to sing each note in the 5 octave range. TRY to sing each note for even a 3.5 octave range. I bet none of you can make it past 2.5 octaves.
Then you'll see how stupid you sound who think a human being can sing 5 octaves.
NOBODY has a FIVE OCTAVE RANGE. NOBODY!!
Freddie's 3.5 Octave range for a guy is huge. Yes, a few men might have higher, but NOBODY has 5 octaves.
Try this. Go to a piano and play the scales over 5 ranges. TRY to sing each note in the 5 octave range. TRY to sing each note for even a 3.5 octave range. I bet none of you can make it past 2.5 octaves.
Then you'll see how stupid you sound who think a human being can sing 5 octaves.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't care what anyone says here.
NOBODY has a FIVE OCTAVE RANGE. NOBODY!!
Freddie's 3.5 Octave range for a guy is huge. Yes, a few men might have higher, but NOBODY has 5 octaves.
Try this. Go to a piano and play the scales over 5 ranges. TRY to sing each note in the 5 octave range. TRY to sing each note for even a 3.5 octave range. I bet none of you can make it past 2.5 octaves.
Then you'll see how stupid you sound who think a human being can sing 5 octaves.[/QUOTE]
just because you cant do it, doesnt mean its impossible. there are people out there who prove it, people have pointed it out, and it exists. sorry if you dont like it.
NOBODY has a FIVE OCTAVE RANGE. NOBODY!!
Freddie's 3.5 Octave range for a guy is huge. Yes, a few men might have higher, but NOBODY has 5 octaves.
Try this. Go to a piano and play the scales over 5 ranges. TRY to sing each note in the 5 octave range. TRY to sing each note for even a 3.5 octave range. I bet none of you can make it past 2.5 octaves.
Then you'll see how stupid you sound who think a human being can sing 5 octaves.[/QUOTE]
just because you cant do it, doesnt mean its impossible. there are people out there who prove it, people have pointed it out, and it exists. sorry if you dont like it.