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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Just heard on the news that the daughter of Martin Luther King Jr. just died.
So here we have one "christian", and a true christian. One capitalizes on faith and uses religion as a tool to spread hatred, and the other one stands for what christianity is really all about. [/QUOTE]
And yet the one who was capitalizing on 'faith' believed his truth to be THE truth.
That's the problem with all of this. Who is right? Ole' Jer had his followers - very powerful indeed. And they believe, no, they KNOW they're right. So, who are you (or the rest of us who disagree with their extreme attitudes) to say they're not?
Their's is such an irrational belief system and yet it cannot be broken. Reminds me of the Scientology nuts. At least one of those nuts is finally gone.
So here we have one "christian", and a true christian. One capitalizes on faith and uses religion as a tool to spread hatred, and the other one stands for what christianity is really all about. [/QUOTE]
And yet the one who was capitalizing on 'faith' believed his truth to be THE truth.
That's the problem with all of this. Who is right? Ole' Jer had his followers - very powerful indeed. And they believe, no, they KNOW they're right. So, who are you (or the rest of us who disagree with their extreme attitudes) to say they're not?
Their's is such an irrational belief system and yet it cannot be broken. Reminds me of the Scientology nuts. At least one of those nuts is finally gone.
It seems cool not having them around.
But without them, who do we make fun of?
But without them, who do we make fun of?
Ah, it's been a while since we've had a good topical thread. Let me give another POV on Rev. Falwell.
He created the televanglist. Millions of people watch them now, it's big business and gives comfort to a lot of people, yes mostly our grandmothers, but still he meant something.
To dismiss his life as completely negative doesn't surprise me, especially here on QZ. But if you're gonna just slam the man, I find it disgusting.
You all slammed Imus, then Sharpton did basically the same thing three weeks later and not a mention.
Plus how can you completely hate a guy who said the teletubbies were gay. They are.
He created the televanglist. Millions of people watch them now, it's big business and gives comfort to a lot of people, yes mostly our grandmothers, but still he meant something.
To dismiss his life as completely negative doesn't surprise me, especially here on QZ. But if you're gonna just slam the man, I find it disgusting.
You all slammed Imus, then Sharpton did basically the same thing three weeks later and not a mention.
Plus how can you completely hate a guy who said the teletubbies were gay. They are.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
To dismiss his life as completely negative doesn't surprise me, especially here on QZ. [/QUOTE]
Then let's start remembering the positive side of Jerry Falwell. Which includes donating to charity a small percentage of all the millions he received from all those idio.. err, I mean followers.
Hey! can't blame poor ol' Jerry, he had to make a living somehow, and he well deserved a mansion and yatch more than a starving kid in Africa deserved a food to eat.
Aside, from that... hmmm, well... he inspired that Genesis song 'Jesus He Knows Me', didn't he? Yep, there's another positive thing. We got to see Phil Collins do a bad southern accent on that video. Pretty funny stuff.
To dismiss his life as completely negative doesn't surprise me, especially here on QZ. [/QUOTE]
Then let's start remembering the positive side of Jerry Falwell. Which includes donating to charity a small percentage of all the millions he received from all those idio.. err, I mean followers.
Hey! can't blame poor ol' Jerry, he had to make a living somehow, and he well deserved a mansion and yatch more than a starving kid in Africa deserved a food to eat.
Aside, from that... hmmm, well... he inspired that Genesis song 'Jesus He Knows Me', didn't he? Yep, there's another positive thing. We got to see Phil Collins do a bad southern accent on that video. Pretty funny stuff.
Susan Friend Harding, a professor of anthropology at the University of California Santa Cruz, studied Falwell and his movement beginning in the 1980s, culminating in a book published in 2000, "The Book of Jerry Falwell: Fundamentalist Language and Politics."
"I see him as a major figure in American political and religious history," says Harding, who considers him the principal leader who brought fundamentalists back into the mainstream of society. "Jerry Falwell led fundamentalism out of political and cultural exile in the 1980s. He did so most famously as the leader of the Moral Majority in 1980s, but also through his national radio and TV ministry, Liberty University and countless sermons, campaigns, rallies, speeches, publications, broadcasts and debates over his 50-year career as a preacher. Under his leadership, fundamentalists transformed themselves from a marginal, anti-worldly separatist people into a visible and vocal force and reintroduced vigorous religious speech into American public life.
"Fundamentalists had been a separatist movement," Harding says, "which was stigmatized even by other Protestants" for three-quarters of a century, ever since their "self-imposed exile" after the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925, which was ostensibly about the teaching of evolution in the schools, but in effect put fundamentalist intolerance on trial. "Falwell openly and actively disavowed the separatism."
"I see him as a major figure in American political and religious history," says Harding, who considers him the principal leader who brought fundamentalists back into the mainstream of society. "Jerry Falwell led fundamentalism out of political and cultural exile in the 1980s. He did so most famously as the leader of the Moral Majority in 1980s, but also through his national radio and TV ministry, Liberty University and countless sermons, campaigns, rallies, speeches, publications, broadcasts and debates over his 50-year career as a preacher. Under his leadership, fundamentalists transformed themselves from a marginal, anti-worldly separatist people into a visible and vocal force and reintroduced vigorous religious speech into American public life.
"Fundamentalists had been a separatist movement," Harding says, "which was stigmatized even by other Protestants" for three-quarters of a century, ever since their "self-imposed exile" after the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925, which was ostensibly about the teaching of evolution in the schools, but in effect put fundamentalist intolerance on trial. "Falwell openly and actively disavowed the separatism."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME] "Falwell openly and actively disavowed the separatism."
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Which he did when it was illegal and the rest of the world considered it morally wrong.
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During the Civil Rights Movement, Falwell was a supporter of racial segregation. He said this about Martin Luther King:
"I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left wing associations.
Falwell grew up in a strongly segregationist setting and supported racial segregation for the first few years of his career. In 1965, he gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, which he sometimes referred to as the "Civil Wrongs Movement". On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 1960s, he regularly featured segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace. He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days. For example, in 1958, he said:
If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line. [/QUOTE]
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Which he did when it was illegal and the rest of the world considered it morally wrong.
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During the Civil Rights Movement, Falwell was a supporter of racial segregation. He said this about Martin Luther King:
"I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left wing associations.
Falwell grew up in a strongly segregationist setting and supported racial segregation for the first few years of his career. In 1965, he gave a sermon at his Thomas Road Baptist Church criticizing Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement, which he sometimes referred to as the "Civil Wrongs Movement". On his Evangelist program The Old-Time Gospel Hour in the mid 1960s, he regularly featured segregationist politicians like Lester Maddox and George Wallace. He often spoke out in favor of the racist position in those days. For example, in 1958, he said:
If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There are two kinds of people in the civilized world: critical thinkers and uncritical thinkers. Those on the uncritical side are the ones most likely to buy into his style of religion, so therefore Falwell's passing isn't a big deal, because there are plenty of people who will keep his belief systems in full vigour. Needless to say, the man contributed to the ignorance of the Christian right far more than we'd like to imagine.
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Well said, Bob. And I agree completely.
Although...in my own sadistic way (and since I know I'm going to hell anyway LOL) I will admit it feels nice to have one less religious wack running around[/QUOTE]
Nah, you're not the only one. We all were thinking of it! We're just too busy trying to look diplomatic. :P
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Diplomacy is good...but it's not always productive. :-P
@ Microwave
I believe some of us (Jingles and myself) did mention in the Imus thread that Sharpton does the same thing. He doesn't get outrage though because anyone who would accuse him of being what he is (a racist) would be accused of being a racist themselves, and like it or not the racism charge sticks better to Caucasions than to African Americans. I personally dislike Sharpton as much as I dislike Imus, but I appreciate that what Imus did at least started a dialog about why it's ok to use that langauge in "music" (I don't consider rap to be music)
About the Farwell thing...he did good things, to be sure. So did Hitler. It's about whether the good outweighs the bad. In this case, I believe the bad outweighs the good because he is the personification of everything that religion should be against: Bigotry, Veiled Racism, Homophobia, Greed, Slander and Fame Seeking.
Sure, he gave some people comfort and faith...but how many people did he traumatize because he said it was "My way or you are going straight to hell" and people thought that maybe what he was doing was wrong. Having a crisis of conscience in matters of faith can be very traumatizing.
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Well said, Bob. And I agree completely.
Although...in my own sadistic way (and since I know I'm going to hell anyway LOL) I will admit it feels nice to have one less religious wack running around[/QUOTE]
Nah, you're not the only one. We all were thinking of it! We're just too busy trying to look diplomatic. :P
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Diplomacy is good...but it's not always productive. :-P
@ Microwave
I believe some of us (Jingles and myself) did mention in the Imus thread that Sharpton does the same thing. He doesn't get outrage though because anyone who would accuse him of being what he is (a racist) would be accused of being a racist themselves, and like it or not the racism charge sticks better to Caucasions than to African Americans. I personally dislike Sharpton as much as I dislike Imus, but I appreciate that what Imus did at least started a dialog about why it's ok to use that langauge in "music" (I don't consider rap to be music)
About the Farwell thing...he did good things, to be sure. So did Hitler. It's about whether the good outweighs the bad. In this case, I believe the bad outweighs the good because he is the personification of everything that religion should be against: Bigotry, Veiled Racism, Homophobia, Greed, Slander and Fame Seeking.
Sure, he gave some people comfort and faith...but how many people did he traumatize because he said it was "My way or you are going straight to hell" and people thought that maybe what he was doing was wrong. Having a crisis of conscience in matters of faith can be very traumatizing.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He created the televanglist. Millions of people watch them now, it's big business and gives comfort to a lot of people, yes mostly our grandmothers, but still he meant something.[/QUOTE]
I call it false comfort. On a grand scale, he gave these people something to believe in which essentially isn't true (in my books, something is false unless tangibly proven otherwise). Why not give them a tangible alternative, something which can inspire them to make a difference for others in the world, rather than just give them egocentric beliefs to hold for themselves?
I call it false comfort. On a grand scale, he gave these people something to believe in which essentially isn't true (in my books, something is false unless tangibly proven otherwise). Why not give them a tangible alternative, something which can inspire them to make a difference for others in the world, rather than just give them egocentric beliefs to hold for themselves?
from Christopher Hutchins...
http://www.slate.com/id/2166337/
Rather tarse, but.....ya know, I have a gay brother, Jewish friends, quit going to church 30 years ago but do a ton of charity work.....yet, according to the 'Reverend', all of MY friends are going to H E double hockey sticks.
Oh, yeah, and BTW, I like a band that had a gay lead singer........REM !!! And Judas Priest !!!
and, um, er Freddie.
I did actually like what he did with the burnt remnants of the PTL Club. Screw Tammy Baker and her thousand dollar air conditioned dog houses, hundreds of thousands of dollar clothes' closets, and her blatant rip-offs of the elderly to suit her egocentric fashions.
I hate these frickin people.
My brother IS more of a man than the Reverend Hippocryte ever dreamed of being.
As Bono said during a U2 concert two decades ago.....
"The God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister."
http://www.slate.com/id/2166337/
Rather tarse, but.....ya know, I have a gay brother, Jewish friends, quit going to church 30 years ago but do a ton of charity work.....yet, according to the 'Reverend', all of MY friends are going to H E double hockey sticks.
Oh, yeah, and BTW, I like a band that had a gay lead singer........REM !!! And Judas Priest !!!
and, um, er Freddie.
I did actually like what he did with the burnt remnants of the PTL Club. Screw Tammy Baker and her thousand dollar air conditioned dog houses, hundreds of thousands of dollar clothes' closets, and her blatant rip-offs of the elderly to suit her egocentric fashions.
I hate these frickin people.
My brother IS more of a man than the Reverend Hippocryte ever dreamed of being.
As Bono said during a U2 concert two decades ago.....
"The God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister."