Ok Thomas A Hole and Barb, then explain this:
human rights NGOs, such as HRW, Amnesty International, the International Commission of Jurists, etc., should have been very aware of the scale of these human rights violations in Sudan. Yet, as Prof. Don Habibi has noted, "despite the scale, scope, and duration of this genocide, it was never a priority on the agendas of AI, HRW or the UN." Amnesty International, the "world's largest private human rights organization," and possibly its most prolific, managed to produce a total of 7 reports on Sudan during this time period (March 7, 2001 to October 13, 2001). 5 of those reports addressed the arrest and imprisonment of specific human rights lawyers. One mentioned the massive human rights violations being committed by the Sudanese military and allied forces. However, this report was not addressed to the government in Khartoum, the Arab League, or the UN, but to the Canadian oil company, Talisman Energy.
And besides, Thomas, I really could care less what a little child like you has to say. You shouldn't be allowed to be on the same website as someone with a keen mind as Barbara.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why don't you read their monthly magazine just once[/QUOTE]
You can read?
It must have pictures on every page or big words for you to understand it.
You can read?
It must have pictures on every page or big words for you to understand it.
I don't quite understand the criticism that the ai report AI Index AFR 54/010/2001 was adressed to Talisman Energy and not the government in Sudan. It was meant to raise the concern and awarenes of Talisman Energy - of course it was adressed to them. The Sudan has been on the priority list and still is. Visit the American website and check under "our issues".
No matter which problem or issue you address - there is always someone who tells you that there are other problems and issues which deserve your attention just as well. With regard to human rights issues there are always lots of problems and issues in our own countries - so why don't we clean up at home before we meddle into the business of other nations and cultures? The answer is: it makes a bigger impression when the criticism comes from outside your county, I have seen this in many cases in my own country because we have human rights violations, too. Certainly, a lot of mistakes are made in a big organisation like ai but it's independent and non-ideological. It's still better to get involved and help avoiding mistakes because an individual does not make that much noise and does not have any power to make the difference. A big organisation does not always speak with "one voice", either because people have very different backgrounds and opinions.
No matter which problem or issue you address - there is always someone who tells you that there are other problems and issues which deserve your attention just as well. With regard to human rights issues there are always lots of problems and issues in our own countries - so why don't we clean up at home before we meddle into the business of other nations and cultures? The answer is: it makes a bigger impression when the criticism comes from outside your county, I have seen this in many cases in my own country because we have human rights violations, too. Certainly, a lot of mistakes are made in a big organisation like ai but it's independent and non-ideological. It's still better to get involved and help avoiding mistakes because an individual does not make that much noise and does not have any power to make the difference. A big organisation does not always speak with "one voice", either because people have very different backgrounds and opinions.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He's right, insofar as that just about every organization has its own agenda, and you never know how your money is really spent.
It's a kind gesture, but he's right that it's a flawed one.[/QUOTE]
Only if you are totally oblivious, in your extremely negative view of humanity, of the way Amnesty operates, and the fact that it is not run by heartless managers, but by highly engaged idealists.[/QUOTE]
And I'm sure Enron was run by proponents of corporate social responsibility. Give any organization money, power, or resources and it will be abused - regardless who is running it.
It's a kind gesture, but he's right that it's a flawed one.[/QUOTE]
Only if you are totally oblivious, in your extremely negative view of humanity, of the way Amnesty operates, and the fact that it is not run by heartless managers, but by highly engaged idealists.[/QUOTE]
And I'm sure Enron was run by proponents of corporate social responsibility. Give any organization money, power, or resources and it will be abused - regardless who is running it.
I admire some things that AI does...just like I admire some things the Red Cross and Doctors Without Boarders do.
But MusicMan is right. People are more than willing to donate money to a cause...as Microwave said, it's easier to write a check than to get personally involved. But get enough money together and....
well, everyone has their price.
But MusicMan is right. People are more than willing to donate money to a cause...as Microwave said, it's easier to write a check than to get personally involved. But get enough money together and....
well, everyone has their price.
What you choose to ignore is: ai is not some centralistic superorganisation: there are pretty small local sections who decide about the campaigns they want to start or to support. Very often the local sections focus on very few selected issues and only support other campaigns by sending emails or letters etc.
However: you can always find something wrong in any useful organization but it does not change when you just find the fault and shrug your shoulders. ai members at least try to the best of their knowledge to fight injustice and human rights violation. Doing nothing makes it so much easier for dictators, killers in office and other criminal elements in power to commit their crimes.
However: you can always find something wrong in any useful organization but it does not change when you just find the fault and shrug your shoulders. ai members at least try to the best of their knowledge to fight injustice and human rights violation. Doing nothing makes it so much easier for dictators, killers in office and other criminal elements in power to commit their crimes.
Microwave is giving you nothing more than a bullshit speech on re-introducing social-darwinism and fascism. Music Man has a point, but is overly cynical about it...which is the main ailment of the right: they do not believe in *any* systematic good residing in mankind.
I admit I'm cynical. Usually cynicism presents itself in one's later life, but it seems to have advanced rapidly upon me.
But for the last time, TQ, I'm not a conservative except when it comes to strictly financial and economical matters.
But for the last time, TQ, I'm not a conservative except when it comes to strictly financial and economical matters.
That is so disturbing :/