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"Bohemian Rhapsody" could be an example of what some of us gay guys have gone through in struggling with our religion (at least that's what it means for me). For example, some conservative religious people say God hates gays. If God hates gays, yet He made gay people and made them gay and gays are thus condemned to Hell just for existing, then it would be better for gays to have "never been born at all."
But like a previous poster said, even if any of Freddie's songs are about being gay, Freddie made them lyrics vague enough that many people will get their own personal (probably non-gay) meaning from them. In a way it kind of sucks though, that he lived in a less tolerant time and had to do that, and may have felt he couldn't do a song with those themes totally straightforward.
But like a previous poster said, even if any of Freddie's songs are about being gay, Freddie made them lyrics vague enough that many people will get their own personal (probably non-gay) meaning from them. In a way it kind of sucks though, that he lived in a less tolerant time and had to do that, and may have felt he couldn't do a song with those themes totally straightforward.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=plum>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't think about that. I just enjoy the music. :P[/QUOTE]
Bingo! That's the spirit! :D
To be true, it did once affect the music in a not-so-good fashion, IMHO. On One Year of Love there is a certain Freddie cry that I just don't see any reasonable musical reason for ("I'm a prisoner of looooove insiiide yooou..").
That was too much, IMHO, but, hey, the guy is responsible for a lot of my life's meaning, so... let him shout the way he wants to, whenever he feels like. Bless you, "dear".
Cheers,
Ogre-
Bingo! That's the spirit! :D
To be true, it did once affect the music in a not-so-good fashion, IMHO. On One Year of Love there is a certain Freddie cry that I just don't see any reasonable musical reason for ("I'm a prisoner of looooove insiiide yooou..").
That was too much, IMHO, but, hey, the guy is responsible for a lot of my life's meaning, so... let him shout the way he wants to, whenever he feels like. Bless you, "dear".
Cheers,
Ogre-
Can't you people just enjoy the great music, and talk about something worthwhile...so what freddie was gay or bi...who cares...the other guys are straight, who cares...I want to break free was written by John, not freddie and its a damn funny video to with a damn good song. If love Queen you appreciate the music for the great musicianship and the great performances not their sexual orientation. GET OVER IT!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]^Why is it you think that Bicycle Race and Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy are gay themed songs?[/QUOTE]
I stated before in a previous post why I think "Bicycle Race" is gay themed. Although the lyrics in no way shape or form suggest anything about being gay the inspiration for Freddie writing the song is well known. He was somewhere's in France on tour when the Tour De France happened to pass by the Hotel he was staying in and he has said before that the "sight of all those delicious bodies in their tight lycra shorts" insprired him to come up with the song. As far as "Good Ol Fashioned Loverboy" its very obvious in the song that he is speaking to another man. You can try to sugarcoat and sidestep it all you want with this crap about "a question and answer" thing from a giggilo and some broad but the very makeup of the song is very camp and very insuating. Last but not least you can just get a feel for a song and what its underlying means are and considering the source and the author of the song its quite easy to put 2 and 2 together. Now for the people on this post that keep saying "Why does Freddie's sexuality matter and who gives a damn" I feel the exact same way BUT when a post like this is brought up and people are being asked to give their honest opinions then that's what's going to be given. I personally don't care if Freddie was Gay. He's still my idol and i still got the man's name tattooed on my Back! and I'm very Heterosexual........Peace
I stated before in a previous post why I think "Bicycle Race" is gay themed. Although the lyrics in no way shape or form suggest anything about being gay the inspiration for Freddie writing the song is well known. He was somewhere's in France on tour when the Tour De France happened to pass by the Hotel he was staying in and he has said before that the "sight of all those delicious bodies in their tight lycra shorts" insprired him to come up with the song. As far as "Good Ol Fashioned Loverboy" its very obvious in the song that he is speaking to another man. You can try to sugarcoat and sidestep it all you want with this crap about "a question and answer" thing from a giggilo and some broad but the very makeup of the song is very camp and very insuating. Last but not least you can just get a feel for a song and what its underlying means are and considering the source and the author of the song its quite easy to put 2 and 2 together. Now for the people on this post that keep saying "Why does Freddie's sexuality matter and who gives a damn" I feel the exact same way BUT when a post like this is brought up and people are being asked to give their honest opinions then that's what's going to be given. I personally don't care if Freddie was Gay. He's still my idol and i still got the man's name tattooed on my Back! and I'm very Heterosexual........Peace
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Are you insinuating that I don't know that Freddie Mercury was homosexual? Please, anybody who thinks that Queen is a heterosexual rock band is talking out of their ass.[/QUOTE]
No, I just think that the name "Queen" coined by Freddie sums up the whole androgenous feel to the band, especially in the early days. Ofcourse, Freddie wasn't and hadn't admitted to being homosexual or bisexual at this time.
I wouldn't say I've noticed or have been looking for any homosexual themes in their songs, but some of the early stuff is what people have called as androgenous.
I just like their music, it sounds good to my ears, regardless of what the lyrical content is about and the background of the people who made it.
No, I just think that the name "Queen" coined by Freddie sums up the whole androgenous feel to the band, especially in the early days. Ofcourse, Freddie wasn't and hadn't admitted to being homosexual or bisexual at this time.
I wouldn't say I've noticed or have been looking for any homosexual themes in their songs, but some of the early stuff is what people have called as androgenous.
I just like their music, it sounds good to my ears, regardless of what the lyrical content is about and the background of the people who made it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]lyricalassasin_77 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I stated before in a previous post why I think "Bicycle Race" is gay themed. Although the lyrics in no way shape or form suggest anything about being gay the inspiration for Freddie writing the song is well known. He was somewhere's in France on tour when the Tour De France happened to pass by the Hotel he was staying in and he has said before that the "sight of all those delicious bodies in their tight lycra shorts" insprired him to come up with the song. As far as "Good Ol Fashioned Loverboy" its very obvious in the song that he is speaking to another man. You can try to sugarcoat and sidestep it all you want with this crap about "a question and answer" thing from a giggilo and some broad but the very makeup of the song is very camp and very insuating. Last but not least you can just get a feel for a song and what its underlying means are and considering the source and the author of the song its quite easy to put 2 and 2 together. Now for the people on this post that keep saying "Why does Freddie's sexuality matter and who gives a damn" I feel the exact same way BUT when a post like this is brought up and people are being asked to give their honest opinions then that's what's going to be given. I personally don't care if Freddie was Gay. He's still my idol and i still got the man's name tattooed on my Back! and I'm very Heterosexual........Peace[/QUOTE]
Nicely said!
I can find no argument with what you've just said. I remember now about the Tour De France story and especially when listening to Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy it is some what obvious. I really don't care if they may have a gay theme, they're two of my favorite Queen songs.
Just like you I don't care of any of the band member's sexuality. I know good music when I hear it and I most certainly respect their musicianship. I may not have Freddie Mercury tatooed on my back, but I do have a Freddie Mercury T-shirt that I wear proudly regardless of all the smart remarks I recieve from family and friends.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]David Jones wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
No, I just think that the name "Queen" coined by Freddie sums up the whole androgenous feel to the band, especially in the early days. Ofcourse, Freddie wasn't and hadn't admitted to being homosexual or bisexual at this time.
I wouldn't say I've noticed or have been looking for any homosexual themes in their songs, but some of the early stuff is what people have called as androgenous.
I just like their music, it sounds good to my ears, regardless of what the lyrical content is about and the background of the people who made it.[/QUOTE]
Once again, nicely said!
I can tell you have your head screwed on right, and that's wonderful! Too many people out there read too much into things. When starting this topic I was fascinated in finding out what the majority of the Queen fans think upon this matter, and I can truly say I'm proud of us.
In my opinion:
Queen = Queen
Gay = Gay
Queen DOES NOT EQUAL AND SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH Gay.
If somebody interprets a particular song as being gay that's their interpretation. There is nothing wrong with that either.
I stated before in a previous post why I think "Bicycle Race" is gay themed. Although the lyrics in no way shape or form suggest anything about being gay the inspiration for Freddie writing the song is well known. He was somewhere's in France on tour when the Tour De France happened to pass by the Hotel he was staying in and he has said before that the "sight of all those delicious bodies in their tight lycra shorts" insprired him to come up with the song. As far as "Good Ol Fashioned Loverboy" its very obvious in the song that he is speaking to another man. You can try to sugarcoat and sidestep it all you want with this crap about "a question and answer" thing from a giggilo and some broad but the very makeup of the song is very camp and very insuating. Last but not least you can just get a feel for a song and what its underlying means are and considering the source and the author of the song its quite easy to put 2 and 2 together. Now for the people on this post that keep saying "Why does Freddie's sexuality matter and who gives a damn" I feel the exact same way BUT when a post like this is brought up and people are being asked to give their honest opinions then that's what's going to be given. I personally don't care if Freddie was Gay. He's still my idol and i still got the man's name tattooed on my Back! and I'm very Heterosexual........Peace[/QUOTE]
Nicely said!
I can find no argument with what you've just said. I remember now about the Tour De France story and especially when listening to Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy it is some what obvious. I really don't care if they may have a gay theme, they're two of my favorite Queen songs.
Just like you I don't care of any of the band member's sexuality. I know good music when I hear it and I most certainly respect their musicianship. I may not have Freddie Mercury tatooed on my back, but I do have a Freddie Mercury T-shirt that I wear proudly regardless of all the smart remarks I recieve from family and friends.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]David Jones wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
No, I just think that the name "Queen" coined by Freddie sums up the whole androgenous feel to the band, especially in the early days. Ofcourse, Freddie wasn't and hadn't admitted to being homosexual or bisexual at this time.
I wouldn't say I've noticed or have been looking for any homosexual themes in their songs, but some of the early stuff is what people have called as androgenous.
I just like their music, it sounds good to my ears, regardless of what the lyrical content is about and the background of the people who made it.[/QUOTE]
Once again, nicely said!
I can tell you have your head screwed on right, and that's wonderful! Too many people out there read too much into things. When starting this topic I was fascinated in finding out what the majority of the Queen fans think upon this matter, and I can truly say I'm proud of us.
In my opinion:
Queen = Queen
Gay = Gay
Queen DOES NOT EQUAL AND SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH Gay.
If somebody interprets a particular song as being gay that's their interpretation. There is nothing wrong with that either.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]s.m. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]your topic is gay[/QUOTE]
I have to second that (with humour ;) ).
I have to second that (with humour ;) ).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I have to second that (with humour ;) ).
On the other hand (concerning this serious topic); IF Freddie and Queen were making hints in their songs on sexuality and particularly homosexuality - no matter if consciously or not - then I would fully understand it. In the end, imagine YOU were sexually abused like Freddie as a teenager in boarding school - it would, tragically, have a deep impact on your whole life.
As I'm growing older (will be 19 this summer) and gaining experience in this sometimes (or often?) brute world of 'grown ups' I understand much more of sexuality... do you KNOW what is going on even in the opera business (where my parents as singers are constantly present)? I won't mention any names, but some very famous stars have to f*ck some highly important opera directors or managers to get a job and/or to sing in a famous opera house.
Sorry for the tone, but I just had to say it and break the taboo.[/QUOTE]
That is interesting to say the least (regarding the opera business).
Anyway, I happen to be aware of Freddie's sexual abusement while at the all boys boarding school. However, do any of you know if there is any evidence of it ever happening? Like an interview or something said in one of the Queen biography books. Even at that, did Freddie Mercury ever admit to this?
I have to second that (with humour ;) ).
On the other hand (concerning this serious topic); IF Freddie and Queen were making hints in their songs on sexuality and particularly homosexuality - no matter if consciously or not - then I would fully understand it. In the end, imagine YOU were sexually abused like Freddie as a teenager in boarding school - it would, tragically, have a deep impact on your whole life.
As I'm growing older (will be 19 this summer) and gaining experience in this sometimes (or often?) brute world of 'grown ups' I understand much more of sexuality... do you KNOW what is going on even in the opera business (where my parents as singers are constantly present)? I won't mention any names, but some very famous stars have to f*ck some highly important opera directors or managers to get a job and/or to sing in a famous opera house.
Sorry for the tone, but I just had to say it and break the taboo.[/QUOTE]
That is interesting to say the least (regarding the opera business).
Anyway, I happen to be aware of Freddie's sexual abusement while at the all boys boarding school. However, do any of you know if there is any evidence of it ever happening? Like an interview or something said in one of the Queen biography books. Even at that, did Freddie Mercury ever admit to this?
I'd say their most "happy-go-homo" song, IMO is "Millionaire Waltz". It's an awesome song.
BTW Queen cannot equal gay because gay is four letters and Queen is five.
BTW Queen cannot equal gay because gay is four letters and Queen is five.
Who cares what songs seem gay and what songs don't. Just as long as it's good music, it's good for me! Why do we always go around trying to dissect songs? Freddie and the rest of Queen wanted their songs to reflect YOUR own life and experiences.
I have spoken.
I have spoken.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]*Queen*of*the*Twilight*Zone* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Who cares what songs seem gay and what songs don't. Just as long as it's good music, it's good for me! Why do we always go around trying to dissect songs? Freddie and the rest of Queen wanted their songs to reflect YOUR own life and experiences.
I have spoken.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you and everyone else who thinks so as I have exactly the same opinion; even if I noticed with the time that my naiveness and 'good-heartedness' in general may seem weak or ridiculous in the 'real' complex world 'outside there', I'm still optimist and believe that one beautiful day the majority of the people will think this way and live without prejudice, in peace.
I have spoken.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you and everyone else who thinks so as I have exactly the same opinion; even if I noticed with the time that my naiveness and 'good-heartedness' in general may seem weak or ridiculous in the 'real' complex world 'outside there', I'm still optimist and believe that one beautiful day the majority of the people will think this way and live without prejudice, in peace.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Personally, I have wished that this terrible thing has never happened, but if it has, it explains a lot regarding Freddie's somehow tragic life...[/QUOTE]
I think you're right. It's something I didn't know. Of course I was not in Freddie's shoes and while you don't become gay, you born gay, maybe in a twisted way it fucked up Freddie (no pun intended) it made it impossible for Freddie to have relationship a relation with a woman because he felt guilty and maybe thought that the only thing he deserved was to be mistreated by man and treated like a bitch. Like many raped girls and boys he was very promisceous and I'm sure he hated men even if he fucked them like shit. Raped people tend to live that kind of life like a sort of retaliation. Oh, and another thing is that they have a lot of partners is because...they want to DIE. They suffer a lot.
It would explain why Freddie died at only 45. But it's suppositions.
Personally, I have wished that this terrible thing has never happened, but if it has, it explains a lot regarding Freddie's somehow tragic life...[/QUOTE]
I think you're right. It's something I didn't know. Of course I was not in Freddie's shoes and while you don't become gay, you born gay, maybe in a twisted way it fucked up Freddie (no pun intended) it made it impossible for Freddie to have relationship a relation with a woman because he felt guilty and maybe thought that the only thing he deserved was to be mistreated by man and treated like a bitch. Like many raped girls and boys he was very promisceous and I'm sure he hated men even if he fucked them like shit. Raped people tend to live that kind of life like a sort of retaliation. Oh, and another thing is that they have a lot of partners is because...they want to DIE. They suffer a lot.
It would explain why Freddie died at only 45. But it's suppositions.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I have to second that (with humour ;) ).
On the other hand (concerning this serious topic); IF Freddie and Queen were making hints in their songs on sexuality and particularly homosexuality - no matter if consciously or not - then I would fully understand it. In the end, imagine YOU were sexually abused like Freddie as a teenager in boarding school - it would, tragically, have a deep impact on your whole life.
As I'm growing older (will be 19 this summer) and gaining experience in this sometimes (or often?) brute world of 'grown ups' I understand much more of sexuality... do you KNOW what is going on even in the opera business (where my parents as singers are constantly present)? I won't mention any names, but some very famous stars have to f*ck some highly important opera directors or managers to get a job and/or to sing in a famous opera house.
Sorry for the tone, but I just had to say it and break the taboo.[/QUOTE]
That is interesting to say the least (regarding the opera business).
Anyway, I happen to be aware of Freddie's sexual abusement while at the all boys boarding school. However, do any of you know if there is any evidence of it ever happening? Like an interview or something said in one of the Queen biography books. Even at that, did Freddie Mercury ever admit to this?[/QUOTE]
It is written in the book 'Living on the Edge' by David Bret as a link with a description of the book states: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/5025/Books.html
I sadly don't managed to purchase the book yet, but I really like to to have a '200 percent' confirmation.
Another source I found is a quite mysterious page, but I wrote an e-mail to the author and she confirmed it to me as well; the page is: http://homepages.enterprise.net/sylv/Answer_Me_Freddie19.HTM
There are even hints in some quotes in interviews; for example Brian's quote regarding Bohemian Rhapsody:
“Freddie was a very complex person: flippant and funny on the surface, but he concealed insecurities and problems in squaring up his life with his childhood. He never explained the lyrics, but I think he put a lot of himself into that song.”
As far as Freddie is concerned admitting it I think he never have, because I imagine it would have been too painful; however I found an early interview - again with hints; it's an NME article by Julie Webb (1974) (last paragraphes): http://queenarchives.com/viewtopic.php?t=27
Personally, I have wished that this terrible thing has never happened, but if it has, it explains a lot regarding Freddie's somehow tragic life...[/QUOTE]
Thank you...it's certainly something we don't often hear about on Queenzone. I think it's an important part of the man we admire so much, however I'm sure it's something Freddie Mercury didn't want his fans to hear about. He was a very private man.
However, I'm not sure if I'm fully convinced that Freddie Mercury was abused as a child. I'm not sure if I'll ever believe it, the man seemed way too happy throughout his life...even at the lowest moments in his short yet meaningful life.
I have to second that (with humour ;) ).
On the other hand (concerning this serious topic); IF Freddie and Queen were making hints in their songs on sexuality and particularly homosexuality - no matter if consciously or not - then I would fully understand it. In the end, imagine YOU were sexually abused like Freddie as a teenager in boarding school - it would, tragically, have a deep impact on your whole life.
As I'm growing older (will be 19 this summer) and gaining experience in this sometimes (or often?) brute world of 'grown ups' I understand much more of sexuality... do you KNOW what is going on even in the opera business (where my parents as singers are constantly present)? I won't mention any names, but some very famous stars have to f*ck some highly important opera directors or managers to get a job and/or to sing in a famous opera house.
Sorry for the tone, but I just had to say it and break the taboo.[/QUOTE]
That is interesting to say the least (regarding the opera business).
Anyway, I happen to be aware of Freddie's sexual abusement while at the all boys boarding school. However, do any of you know if there is any evidence of it ever happening? Like an interview or something said in one of the Queen biography books. Even at that, did Freddie Mercury ever admit to this?[/QUOTE]
It is written in the book 'Living on the Edge' by David Bret as a link with a description of the book states: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/5025/Books.html
I sadly don't managed to purchase the book yet, but I really like to to have a '200 percent' confirmation.
Another source I found is a quite mysterious page, but I wrote an e-mail to the author and she confirmed it to me as well; the page is: http://homepages.enterprise.net/sylv/Answer_Me_Freddie19.HTM
There are even hints in some quotes in interviews; for example Brian's quote regarding Bohemian Rhapsody:
“Freddie was a very complex person: flippant and funny on the surface, but he concealed insecurities and problems in squaring up his life with his childhood. He never explained the lyrics, but I think he put a lot of himself into that song.”
As far as Freddie is concerned admitting it I think he never have, because I imagine it would have been too painful; however I found an early interview - again with hints; it's an NME article by Julie Webb (1974) (last paragraphes): http://queenarchives.com/viewtopic.php?t=27
Personally, I have wished that this terrible thing has never happened, but if it has, it explains a lot regarding Freddie's somehow tragic life...[/QUOTE]
Thank you...it's certainly something we don't often hear about on Queenzone. I think it's an important part of the man we admire so much, however I'm sure it's something Freddie Mercury didn't want his fans to hear about. He was a very private man.
However, I'm not sure if I'm fully convinced that Freddie Mercury was abused as a child. I'm not sure if I'll ever believe it, the man seemed way too happy throughout his life...even at the lowest moments in his short yet meaningful life.