[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If you hear tracks like Jump, Why Can´t this be love, and Right now, you´ll see a master of the instrument. [/QUOTE]
LOL!!! Good one. Oh wait, you were frickin' serious? I learned to play Jump when I was 14 on an old Korg Poly 61. Took me about 8 minutes to learn it. You call that a solo?
What competitions did he win? I won my piano recitals when I was in nursery school, too.
And if Eddie's such a virtuoso, why does every Van Halen purist distance from Eddie's keyboard songs?
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Because, as you said, they are purists, and as you know purists don´t like Van Hagar. THat´s why they distance from Eddie´s keyboard songs. Not because they´re no good, but to make a statement that Van HAlen without Diamon Dave is not Van Halen.
Now, you come here with your attitude try to justify what? that he´s a nervous keyboard player? If you put him at the same level as Brian you simply don´t know what you´re talking about. Read is Bio. He won three competitions in a row. Google it!
Peter Gabriel in the same level as Freddie? Right...
In case you don´t know- at least you should, because you´re such a performer- when in a band with a vocalist you don´t write "difficult runs" like Lizt. That´s not what it´s all about. Eddie is a great keyboard player and songwriter no mather what you say...If you learnt to play Jump in your teens good for you, but to say that that is not a solo because you could play it!?
Now, could you write such a solo? Could you write a better solo for that song? And i mean now, with your age. That´s what i´m talking about.
Because it´s ridiculous to say that Elton John is a great songwriter and then say that songs like "Right Now" are not good! I know that it´s only taste but it´s not congruent.
Take care
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Now, could you write such a solo? Could you write a better solo for that song? And i mean now, with your age. That´s what i´m talking about.
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Actually, yes, I could.
They're arpeggios, the same boring shit he does on guitar solos. It gets old after a while. He's doing 3 key arpeggios, one a C chord, one a G chord and one an F chord. Gee... THAT'S TALENT. Then he simply changes the chords with where the bass goes. DAMN, That is good, how would I think up that? Obviously he's a great song writer and guitarist. But a keyboard player, hardly. I've got bullshit awards also. By the way, Diamond Dave was singing this song!!! Not Van Hagar.
[QUOTE]In case you don´t know- at least you should, because you´re such a performer- when in a band with a vocalist you don´t write "difficult runs" like Lizt. That´s not what it´s all about.[/QUOTE]
I am a performer, for many years. I don't need to scoreboard you or show off, but I did make $600 last weekend for 3 hours of playing, and that's about a normal weekend for me. Is that "Qualified" enough? Pianists know what I'm talking about.
You say "difficult runs" - "that's not what it's all about". Then what are Eddie's solos? They just difficult runs. You just contraticted yourself.
And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.
You take care also, a good debate, eh? Don't take my tone as attitude, I just say what's on my mind and appreciate your point-of-view.
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Actually, yes, I could.
They're arpeggios, the same boring shit he does on guitar solos. It gets old after a while. He's doing 3 key arpeggios, one a C chord, one a G chord and one an F chord. Gee... THAT'S TALENT. Then he simply changes the chords with where the bass goes. DAMN, That is good, how would I think up that? Obviously he's a great song writer and guitarist. But a keyboard player, hardly. I've got bullshit awards also. By the way, Diamond Dave was singing this song!!! Not Van Hagar.
[QUOTE]In case you don´t know- at least you should, because you´re such a performer- when in a band with a vocalist you don´t write "difficult runs" like Lizt. That´s not what it´s all about.[/QUOTE]
I am a performer, for many years. I don't need to scoreboard you or show off, but I did make $600 last weekend for 3 hours of playing, and that's about a normal weekend for me. Is that "Qualified" enough? Pianists know what I'm talking about.
You say "difficult runs" - "that's not what it's all about". Then what are Eddie's solos? They just difficult runs. You just contraticted yourself.
And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.
You take care also, a good debate, eh? Don't take my tone as attitude, I just say what's on my mind and appreciate your point-of-view.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Now, could you write such a solo? Could you write a better solo for that song? And i mean now, with your age. That´s what i´m talking about.
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Actually, yes, I could.
They're arpeggios, the same boring shit he does on guitar solos. It gets old after a while. He's doing 3 key arpeggios, one a C chord, one a G chord and one an F chord. Gee... THAT'S TALENT. Then he simply changes the chords with where the bass goes. DAMN, That is good, how would I think up that? Obviously he's a great song writer and guitarist. But a keyboard player, hardly. I've got bullshit awards also. By the way, Diamond Dave was singing this song!!! Not Van Hagar.[/QUOTE]
Look, i didn´t ask you if you could play it, i asked you if you could have writed it. Because you talk as if writing a good song is the easy (or difficult) thing in the world. Arpeggios or not, it fits the song and i found it very creative. And it´s no accident that it´s their biggest hit to date.
As a guitar player myself let me tell you that Eddie doesn´t usually play arpeggios on guitar solos except for some exceptions(unless you´re talking about his tapping). Actually Eddie´s solos are not spectacular in difficulty. He´s one of the best rythm guiatrrists in the world and very few people realise this. . But do you have anything against the use of arpeggios?
[QUOTE]In case you don´t know- at least you should, because you´re such a performer- when in a band with a vocalist you don´t write "difficult runs" like Lizt. That´s not what it´s all about.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]
I am a performer, for many years. I don't need to scoreboard you or show off, but I did make $600 last weekend for 3 hours of playing, and that's about a normal weekend for me. Is that "Qualified" enough? Pianists know what I'm talking about.
You say "difficult runs" - "that's not what it's all about". Then what are Eddie's solos? They just difficult runs. You just contraticted yourself.[/QUOTE]
No way! In a song you do what´s best for the song. You´ve said that the keyboard Solo from Jump wasn´t good because it lacks difficulty or don´t have creativity. Well, i think he has donne the perfect solo for that song. My opinion!
And Eddie´s solos are not just difficult runs. He hardly does extended solos (except for his live one), and they´re not that difficult either! At least not as difficult as Malmsteen´s or Paul Gilbert.
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And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.[/QUOTE]
I´m not trying to denigrate Peter Gabriel, because i think he´s a genius. But Freddie could play and sing live like i´ve never seen Peter doing. If i´m wrong more power to Peter.
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You take care also, a good debate, eh? Don't take my tone as attitude, I just say what's on my mind and appreciate your point-of-view.[/QUOTE]
Maybe i´ve missunderstood you, sorry!
But it´s just that in the last couple of weeks people said very nasty things towards other artists here in Queenzone to prove their points. That´s why i said you´re having "the" attitude.
Maybe i´m getting old for this forums?
Take care
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Actually, yes, I could.
They're arpeggios, the same boring shit he does on guitar solos. It gets old after a while. He's doing 3 key arpeggios, one a C chord, one a G chord and one an F chord. Gee... THAT'S TALENT. Then he simply changes the chords with where the bass goes. DAMN, That is good, how would I think up that? Obviously he's a great song writer and guitarist. But a keyboard player, hardly. I've got bullshit awards also. By the way, Diamond Dave was singing this song!!! Not Van Hagar.[/QUOTE]
Look, i didn´t ask you if you could play it, i asked you if you could have writed it. Because you talk as if writing a good song is the easy (or difficult) thing in the world. Arpeggios or not, it fits the song and i found it very creative. And it´s no accident that it´s their biggest hit to date.
As a guitar player myself let me tell you that Eddie doesn´t usually play arpeggios on guitar solos except for some exceptions(unless you´re talking about his tapping). Actually Eddie´s solos are not spectacular in difficulty. He´s one of the best rythm guiatrrists in the world and very few people realise this. . But do you have anything against the use of arpeggios?
[QUOTE]In case you don´t know- at least you should, because you´re such a performer- when in a band with a vocalist you don´t write "difficult runs" like Lizt. That´s not what it´s all about.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]
I am a performer, for many years. I don't need to scoreboard you or show off, but I did make $600 last weekend for 3 hours of playing, and that's about a normal weekend for me. Is that "Qualified" enough? Pianists know what I'm talking about.
You say "difficult runs" - "that's not what it's all about". Then what are Eddie's solos? They just difficult runs. You just contraticted yourself.[/QUOTE]
No way! In a song you do what´s best for the song. You´ve said that the keyboard Solo from Jump wasn´t good because it lacks difficulty or don´t have creativity. Well, i think he has donne the perfect solo for that song. My opinion!
And Eddie´s solos are not just difficult runs. He hardly does extended solos (except for his live one), and they´re not that difficult either! At least not as difficult as Malmsteen´s or Paul Gilbert.
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And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.[/QUOTE]
I´m not trying to denigrate Peter Gabriel, because i think he´s a genius. But Freddie could play and sing live like i´ve never seen Peter doing. If i´m wrong more power to Peter.
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You take care also, a good debate, eh? Don't take my tone as attitude, I just say what's on my mind and appreciate your point-of-view.[/QUOTE]
Maybe i´ve missunderstood you, sorry!
But it´s just that in the last couple of weeks people said very nasty things towards other artists here in Queenzone to prove their points. That´s why i said you´re having "the" attitude.
Maybe i´m getting old for this forums?
Take care
Hey, no sweat Bobby Brown.
I'm just not convinced of Eddie's greatness. Great player, but did you know when Michael Jackson had him play on Beat It he liked Steve Lukather's rhythm guitar better and just kept Eddie's solo intact. Michael (like me) believes Luke to be the superior player. And judging from that day forward, I would have to agree. Eddie started sparing us to death and the albums just weren't the guitar rock we liked previously. Meanwhile, Luke decided to learn how to play guitar again. Toured with Larry Carlton for a year and credits LC with that. Result? The new Toto album works much better than Balance or Carnal Knowledge ever did.
I'm just not convinced of Eddie's greatness. Great player, but did you know when Michael Jackson had him play on Beat It he liked Steve Lukather's rhythm guitar better and just kept Eddie's solo intact. Michael (like me) believes Luke to be the superior player. And judging from that day forward, I would have to agree. Eddie started sparing us to death and the albums just weren't the guitar rock we liked previously. Meanwhile, Luke decided to learn how to play guitar again. Toured with Larry Carlton for a year and credits LC with that. Result? The new Toto album works much better than Balance or Carnal Knowledge ever did.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.
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That's incorrect becouse all keyboards in Genesis were always played by Tony Banks.
And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.
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That's incorrect becouse all keyboards in Genesis were always played by Tony Banks.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rompez wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.
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That's incorrect becouse all keyboards in Genesis were always played by Tony Banks.[/QUOTE]
You are incorrect, sir.
And yes, Peter Gabriel is just as good if not better than Freddie. Don't just listen to Sledgehammer, check out the old Genesis stuff. Try playing Lamb.
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That's incorrect becouse all keyboards in Genesis were always played by Tony Banks.[/QUOTE]
You are incorrect, sir.
In what Genesis songs Peter played keyboards? I don't know any. Read the album sleeves.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rompez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]In what Genesis songs Peter played keyboards? I don't know any. Read the album sleeves.[/QUOTE]
I have the album sleeves. Read book that accompanies the Genesis Archives set. And also, most of the keyboard arrangements for Lamb were written by Peter and given to Tony.
Why does this website say John Deacon - bass and Brian May - guitar. Does that mean John never played guitar?
I have the album sleeves. Read book that accompanies the Genesis Archives set. And also, most of the keyboard arrangements for Lamb were written by Peter and given to Tony.
Why does this website say John Deacon - bass and Brian May - guitar. Does that mean John never played guitar?
I don't have a box set so I can't say nothing about it. But if Peter could composed that keyboard parts that doesn't automatically means that he could performed it live properly. That is a big problem for myself, becouse I'm composing music in the computer sequencer program but can't perform it good on my own.
Anyway even if Peter played something hardly noticeable on the records all signature and most hard keyboard work in Genesis was done by Tony. So comparing Peter (with Genesis material) and Freddie in pianoplaying is still incorrect.
Anyway even if Peter played something hardly noticeable on the records all signature and most hard keyboard work in Genesis was done by Tony. So comparing Peter (with Genesis material) and Freddie in pianoplaying is still incorrect.
Even if Freddie was a much better singer than Peter, it's very true that as pianist and all-round musician and artist, Peter's just as good.
I saw Peter Gabriel on his first solo tour(feeling very old now)
He played piano on Lamb Lies Down, as an extra encore after the house lights had come on.
He can play well enough but it's understandable if people assume Tony Banks was responsible for all Genesis keys. Tony Banks has proven to be quite adept on keys as well.
He played piano on Lamb Lies Down, as an extra encore after the house lights had come on.
He can play well enough but it's understandable if people assume Tony Banks was responsible for all Genesis keys. Tony Banks has proven to be quite adept on keys as well.
Freddie greatly surpasses everyone living and dead.
Chopin couldn't come close to the god-like abilites of Freddie. He could never write such complex and catchy things.
Beethoven was a midget compared to the vast giantness of Freddie.
Franz Liszt on piano?
Forget about it!
Freddie ran circles around him.
This is the truth and all who don't accept it are fools.
Chopin couldn't come close to the god-like abilites of Freddie. He could never write such complex and catchy things.
Beethoven was a midget compared to the vast giantness of Freddie.
Franz Liszt on piano?
Forget about it!
Freddie ran circles around him.
This is the truth and all who don't accept it are fools.
I heard Freddie taught Art Tatum how to play.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Freddie's league....
I don't know his name, but that guy from Treasure Moment is definitely up there.[/QUOTE]
Argh, don't even joke like that man!
I don't know his name, but that guy from Treasure Moment is definitely up there.[/QUOTE]
Argh, don't even joke like that man!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]teleman wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I saw Peter Gabriel on his first solo tour(feeling very old now)
He played piano on Lamb Lies Down, as an extra encore after the house lights had come on.
He can play well enough but it's understandable if people assume Tony Banks was responsible for all Genesis keys. Tony Banks has proven to be quite adept on keys as well.[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to hear. I didn't know that Peter ever played piano on Lamb. I had a video from his first solo tour where piano was played by musician from his band (intro was prety awful by the way). I would like to hear Peter's interpretation.
He played piano on Lamb Lies Down, as an extra encore after the house lights had come on.
He can play well enough but it's understandable if people assume Tony Banks was responsible for all Genesis keys. Tony Banks has proven to be quite adept on keys as well.[/QUOTE]
It would be interesting to hear. I didn't know that Peter ever played piano on Lamb. I had a video from his first solo tour where piano was played by musician from his band (intro was prety awful by the way). I would like to hear Peter's interpretation.