[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rompez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He can get even worse:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aroe_oPvyHQ&mode=related&search=
lol
In the other hand please let's don't forget about this side of Phil:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b5i-qcqX-yk[/QUOTE]
Phil Collins sure had a fat head!
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I actually AM A HUGE Phil Collins fan, but I was surprised that he was that forward to just come out and say that...were he and Freddie ever friend, or even associates for that matter...
But Phil can't talk...look @ this picture...lol:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d33/obsessedwithzeppelin/RPkissingPhilCollins.jpg
But Phil can't talk...look @ this picture...lol:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d33/obsessedwithzeppelin/RPkissingPhilCollins.jpg
Funny that I'm commenting on this now, but it was insensitive. I get what he was trying to do, but you can't tell the public has much you admire someone and then pretty much call them a whore in the same sentence. It would have been better for Collins to say "I will take part in the fight of HIV/AIDS, as I know Freddie would have wanted".
Then why not just say, "Freddie is teaching us a lesson today and we need to educate ourselves and fight against HIV/AIDS. It's not the message that was insensitive, it was the way it was presented.
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dusta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't have an issue with the truth of Mr Collins' statement. I just don't think it was kind, or, necessary, to say it. [/QUOTE]
You're right. It wasn't kind. But then, AIDS isn't kind, is it? Was it necessary for him to say it? Hell yeah. Everyone knows the name Freddie Mercury. He is the very legend he said he'd be. For that reason, I think it's vital that the cause of his death be put out there - repeatedly. AIDS kills. Simple. Stating without emotion the way in which he contracted the disease is not so much a black mark on Freddie as it is a red alert to those listening - REALLY listening - and not judging.
If a handful of people started practicing safe sex after hearing this, then making the comment he did was priceless.
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[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dusta wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't have an issue with the truth of Mr Collins' statement. I just don't think it was kind, or, necessary, to say it. [/QUOTE]
You're right. It wasn't kind. But then, AIDS isn't kind, is it? Was it necessary for him to say it? Hell yeah. Everyone knows the name Freddie Mercury. He is the very legend he said he'd be. For that reason, I think it's vital that the cause of his death be put out there - repeatedly. AIDS kills. Simple. Stating without emotion the way in which he contracted the disease is not so much a black mark on Freddie as it is a red alert to those listening - REALLY listening - and not judging.
If a handful of people started practicing safe sex after hearing this, then making the comment he did was priceless.
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I dont think Mr. Collins was right. It was, as mentioned, not a grown man's attitude to the bereaved.
Also its a truthful statement but only to some degree .
We know that gay men by that time (and in certain parts of the globe) were free to be as promiscuous as every other human being, wanted.
Apparently some complications would appear. Since we are talking about men exclusively , of course the amount of physical tension-quick relief is going to take a different level, especially considering the times. After suppression its almost the "low of physics" that people will get to the under end of the spectrum when opportunity hits. And that was the case through those years ( mid 70's to mid 80's).
Now, the very unfortunate thing is, that this virus appeared at those re-formational years.
And so many people including FM payed a tremendously high price because they almost didn't know or realized the danger when it was too late.
If it was Hepatitis C it would have been a totally different story. And a very simple one if we are talking about cases like FM. Its not even comparable.
Also its a truthful statement but only to some degree .
We know that gay men by that time (and in certain parts of the globe) were free to be as promiscuous as every other human being, wanted.
Apparently some complications would appear. Since we are talking about men exclusively , of course the amount of physical tension-quick relief is going to take a different level, especially considering the times. After suppression its almost the "low of physics" that people will get to the under end of the spectrum when opportunity hits. And that was the case through those years ( mid 70's to mid 80's).
Now, the very unfortunate thing is, that this virus appeared at those re-formational years.
And so many people including FM payed a tremendously high price because they almost didn't know or realized the danger when it was too late.
If it was Hepatitis C it would have been a totally different story. And a very simple one if we are talking about cases like FM. Its not even comparable.
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]*Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well did you watched documentary Freddie's loves on youtube?
Look, You don't have to agree with me. I know I'm blinded Freddie fan xD yes he liked to have good time, but he was emotional too. It's shame he died, fu**ing AIDS!!!!![/QUOTE]
you can't change history...repeatedly "f*cking" several men in one night is asking for trouble
if HIV/AIDS didn't get him then Hep C or some other nasty would...there is nothing emotional about being a hedonistic tart[/QUOTE
Of course there is. Very emotional people are likely to retreat to excessive hedonism especially if there is trauma involved in their emotional growth. This doesn't make them victims or saints. They just react to stress or suppression or bafflement / frustration by treating sex as a compulsive behavior.
Its not a matter of morality or feelings vs. body fluids. Its a matter of how the human ( especially the most complicated) deals with inner conflict to find a new comfortable place. That place may be dysfunctional (or even fatally dangerous in the case of FM) but it does provide relief and/or joy for a certain amount of time.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]*Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well did you watched documentary Freddie's loves on youtube?
Look, You don't have to agree with me. I know I'm blinded Freddie fan xD yes he liked to have good time, but he was emotional too. It's shame he died, fu**ing AIDS!!!!![/QUOTE]
you can't change history...repeatedly "f*cking" several men in one night is asking for trouble
if HIV/AIDS didn't get him then Hep C or some other nasty would...there is nothing emotional about being a hedonistic tart[/QUOTE
Of course there is. Very emotional people are likely to retreat to excessive hedonism especially if there is trauma involved in their emotional growth. This doesn't make them victims or saints. They just react to stress or suppression or bafflement / frustration by treating sex as a compulsive behavior.
Its not a matter of morality or feelings vs. body fluids. Its a matter of how the human ( especially the most complicated) deals with inner conflict to find a new comfortable place. That place may be dysfunctional (or even fatally dangerous in the case of FM) but it does provide relief and/or joy for a certain amount of time.
Collins was only speaking the truth, whether we like it or not.
Saying that Freddie effectively was more likely to catch AIDS with his lifestyle is no more contentious than saying Collins was susceptible to a very costly divorce by marrying an innocent young foreign girl about half his age. Both were predictable, and equally avoidable, but human nature as it is tends to follow the 'it won't happen to me' gene far too often for our own good.
Saying that Freddie effectively was more likely to catch AIDS with his lifestyle is no more contentious than saying Collins was susceptible to a very costly divorce by marrying an innocent young foreign girl about half his age. Both were predictable, and equally avoidable, but human nature as it is tends to follow the 'it won't happen to me' gene far too often for our own good.
Right, so if while the ink was not yet dry on Phil Collins divorce papers some other veteran rock star came out and says he was basically asking for it, I dont think Collins would have taken to kindly to it. And thats not even close to being an equivalent to commenting on someones death. I remember Collins on the Magic Years video saying about Freddie "you dont get too many people like him" wink wink. Bit of a pompous little arse if you ask me.
"Funny that I'm commenting on this now"
Nothing worse than a newby bringing up shit from years ago....
Nothing worse than a newby bringing up shit from years ago....
I think Phil was just stating the obvious really.....Some people can't handle the "brutal truth" because they can't seperate the affection they feel for an idol from the realism of their faults/downfalls...I agree the original poster is way too insensitive to be affended by such a comment.
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
"Funny that I'm commenting on this now"
Nothing worse than a newby bringing up shit from years ago....[/QUOTE]
Funny, being that the majority of topics on this website are about Freddie Mercury who has been gone for over 20 years, a lot of shit will be brought up from years ago, newby or not. No need to be a dick, mooghead.
"Funny that I'm commenting on this now"
Nothing worse than a newby bringing up shit from years ago....[/QUOTE]
Funny, being that the majority of topics on this website are about Freddie Mercury who has been gone for over 20 years, a lot of shit will be brought up from years ago, newby or not. No need to be a dick, mooghead.
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
Right, so if while the ink was not yet dry on Phil Collins divorce papers some other veteran rock star came out and says he was basically asking for it, I dont think Collins would have taken to kindly to it. And thats not even close to being an equivalent to commenting on someones death. I remember Collins on the Magic Years video saying about Freddie "you dont get too many people like him" wink wink. Bit of a pompous little arse if you ask me. [/QUOTE]
I completely agree. Plus, compared to other rock starts of that time, Queen and Freddie were almost tame! Have you read Keith Richard's 'Life'? There is a reason for the saying 'sex, drugs, and rock and roll'. So basically Freddie was just doing what every other rock star did, but since he was gay and developed AIDS, he became the poster-child for sexual promiscuity.
Right, so if while the ink was not yet dry on Phil Collins divorce papers some other veteran rock star came out and says he was basically asking for it, I dont think Collins would have taken to kindly to it. And thats not even close to being an equivalent to commenting on someones death. I remember Collins on the Magic Years video saying about Freddie "you dont get too many people like him" wink wink. Bit of a pompous little arse if you ask me. [/QUOTE]
I completely agree. Plus, compared to other rock starts of that time, Queen and Freddie were almost tame! Have you read Keith Richard's 'Life'? There is a reason for the saying 'sex, drugs, and rock and roll'. So basically Freddie was just doing what every other rock star did, but since he was gay and developed AIDS, he became the poster-child for sexual promiscuity.
[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
I remember Collins on the Magic Years video saying about Freddie "you dont get too many people like him" wink wink. Bit of a pompous little arse if you ask me. [/QUOTE]
And if you ask me, that was just a humorous way to say "We all know Freddie is gay, so what?".
I'm guessing you didn't like Phil Collins very much before the document either, right? Perhaps that's somewhat coloured your interpretation?
I remember Collins on the Magic Years video saying about Freddie "you dont get too many people like him" wink wink. Bit of a pompous little arse if you ask me. [/QUOTE]
And if you ask me, that was just a humorous way to say "We all know Freddie is gay, so what?".
I'm guessing you didn't like Phil Collins very much before the document either, right? Perhaps that's somewhat coloured your interpretation?
[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
Blah blah blah.... he did the same thing when John Lennon died. He may have even been correct that time as well ; but it doesn't take away from the fact that Phil Collins is a nobody. Case in point - the video for Sssudio.
Phil.... John Lennon might have been a 'bastard', and Freddie might've been 'promiscuous', but you're still a cunt. Who made some terrible terrible songs![/QUOTE]
Phil Collins is one of the very few artists to have a solo career as successful as his band work (Genesis). You may not like his work, but it's undeniable that left an important mark in music.
About his remark, perhaps it was a bit too soon to say such a thing, but there's a lot of truth to it. Just watch 'Days of Our Lives'... even when AIDS started to make media buzz, Freddie's attitude towards the disease was careless by claiming "I'll fuck anyone I want". Now don't get me wrong, nobody deserves to die of such a terrible disease, but had Freddie been more concerned about STDs and AIDS itself, he may still be around.
Blah blah blah.... he did the same thing when John Lennon died. He may have even been correct that time as well ; but it doesn't take away from the fact that Phil Collins is a nobody. Case in point - the video for Sssudio.
Phil.... John Lennon might have been a 'bastard', and Freddie might've been 'promiscuous', but you're still a cunt. Who made some terrible terrible songs![/QUOTE]
Phil Collins is one of the very few artists to have a solo career as successful as his band work (Genesis). You may not like his work, but it's undeniable that left an important mark in music.
About his remark, perhaps it was a bit too soon to say such a thing, but there's a lot of truth to it. Just watch 'Days of Our Lives'... even when AIDS started to make media buzz, Freddie's attitude towards the disease was careless by claiming "I'll fuck anyone I want". Now don't get me wrong, nobody deserves to die of such a terrible disease, but had Freddie been more concerned about STDs and AIDS itself, he may still be around.
No one is questioning the truth of the statement, we know it's true. If it wasn't, Freddie Mercury would still be here. The question is was the statement, in it's timeliness, insensitive. Could Collins have waited, I don't know, a couple of days? Everyone who wasn't blind was aware of Mercury's "appetite" for life. It just seemed that Collins was kicking a man when he was down, in this case a dead man.