"We can just ignore the rest of this argument because it's all about you adoring Brian's work, and me not caring about it"
I love it when people invalidate their own argument in one sentence, it makes it a lot quicker for me to sift through bullshit posts.
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I find the Queen versions inferior, except for IWBTLY, which falls into my personal bottom 5% of Queen songs so I don't care. TMLWKY sounds emotionally flat vocally with Freddie, I much prefer Brian's version, and MIH is just utterly contrived to make it Queen like. Again, songs are finished and put out by their authors as they want to hear them. When Brian did TMLWKY, he didn't have an electric solo or harmony guitars because he didn't want them on it. Same with Freddie on MIH, no guitars because he didn't want them. Now you have two songs that sound pretty dissimilar to the original, and it's totally opinion if they're better. Both Brian and Freddie released the song in the form they WANTED it released. Freddie even thanks Brian, Roger and John on MBG for not interfering. In my view, even worse than changing the instrumentation on MIH, they manipulated the ending to make it darker and more plodding than Freddie's, which is horrible in my view. MIH off of MBG was optimistic, despite its lyrical form. It ends with Freddie playing a major key piece and singing the "written in the stars" line to a fade out. On the Queen version, it becomes a minor key cold ending that dramatically thumps. If that's what Freddie wanted, he would have written the song that way. IMHO of course.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There have been several threads about "which is your favourite 'Too Much Love'?" (or something to that effect) and it's sort of a toss-up. Some like Brian's better, some prefer Freddie's. Thus, it IS "about personal opinion".
Regarding Mr Bad Guy, indeed a vast majority of QZ seems to prefer Queen versions, which still doesn't mean they're absolutely "better".[/QUOTE]
If you'd just said this instead of waffling about the musical abilities of Mike Moran, we could have agreed to disagree yesterday. ;)
The subjective quality of the songs IS purely a matter of personal opinion, and it cannot be quantified (even with instrumental prowess which you attempted).
The ONLY way to draw any larger conclusions about "which is better" is to ask people their opinions, and make a statistical generalisation that most people like one of the versions more than the other.
It is STATISTICALLY true that Queen albums are regarded as better than the solo outputs, and that's enough for me to say that Queen albums are "better". Everyone knows that there are the extremes (e.g. you) which would disagree with it, but that doesn't change the opinion of the overwhelming majority.
Regarding Mr Bad Guy, indeed a vast majority of QZ seems to prefer Queen versions, which still doesn't mean they're absolutely "better".[/QUOTE]
If you'd just said this instead of waffling about the musical abilities of Mike Moran, we could have agreed to disagree yesterday. ;)
The subjective quality of the songs IS purely a matter of personal opinion, and it cannot be quantified (even with instrumental prowess which you attempted).
The ONLY way to draw any larger conclusions about "which is better" is to ask people their opinions, and make a statistical generalisation that most people like one of the versions more than the other.
It is STATISTICALLY true that Queen albums are regarded as better than the solo outputs, and that's enough for me to say that Queen albums are "better". Everyone knows that there are the extremes (e.g. you) which would disagree with it, but that doesn't change the opinion of the overwhelming majority.
Wow. I'd never have thought Sebastian was an extremist :P
My vote goes to "Back to the light"
"Mr. Bad Guy" is one of the worst albums ever released. Talk about a total pile of shit.
"Mr. Bad Guy" is one of the worst albums ever released. Talk about a total pile of shit.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]louvox wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My vote goes to "Back to the light"
"Mr. Bad Guy" is one of the worst albums ever released. Talk about a total pile of shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure N*SYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, and other similar bands that I've blissfully forgotten about, have made considerably worse efforts.
"Mr. Bad Guy" is one of the worst albums ever released. Talk about a total pile of shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure N*SYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, and other similar bands that I've blissfully forgotten about, have made considerably worse efforts.
No, not N Sync!
Even you got to admit, Home for Christmas is one of the best conceptual albums ever made!
Even you got to admit, Home for Christmas is one of the best conceptual albums ever made!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]louvox wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My vote goes to "Back to the light"
"Mr. Bad Guy" is one of the worst albums ever released. Talk about a total pile of shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure N*SYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, and other similar bands that I've blissfully forgotten about, have made considerably worse efforts.[/QUOTE]Your right about that, but for some one as good as Freddie, it was a total shame he decided to release a crappy disco record just appease his circle of friends.
"Mr. Bad Guy" is one of the worst albums ever released. Talk about a total pile of shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure N*SYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, and other similar bands that I've blissfully forgotten about, have made considerably worse efforts.[/QUOTE]Your right about that, but for some one as good as Freddie, it was a total shame he decided to release a crappy disco record just appease his circle of friends.
> If you'd just said this instead of waffling about the musical abilities of Mike Moran, we could have agreed to disagree yesterday. ;)
Good point. OTOH everything happens for a reason...
> The subjective quality of the songs IS purely a matter of personal opinion, and it cannot be quantified (even with instrumental prowess which you attempted).
Agreed.
> The ONLY way to draw any larger conclusions about "which is better" is to ask people their opinions, and make a statistical generalisation that most people like one of the versions more than the other.
Sort of ... I agree to disagree
> It is STATISTICALLY true that Queen albums are regarded as better than the solo outputs, and that's enough for me to say that Queen albums are "better".
For that matter, it's STATISTICALLY true that Hitler was right, because millions followed him; millions voted for George Bush, so it's STATISTICALLY true that he's a wonderful person...
> Everyone knows that there are the extremes (e.g. you) which would disagree with it, but that doesn't change the opinion of the overwhelming majority.
Sort of ... you've got to consider that the overwhelming majority don't even know Brian's solo career. There's a very subjective aspect in those polls and things.
> I'd never have thought Sebastian was an extremist :P
I am, but not on a dangerous way - the more I can do is throwing a long explanation for my opinions on an online forum. But I'm not the sort of person who'd kill others for having a different religion, race or nationality. In that matter, there have been thousands of people much more extremists than me.
> Even you got to admit, Home for Christmas is one of the best conceptual albums ever made!
Actually, 'No Strings Attached' is much better IMO. I've never been so thrilled about 'Celebrity', although I like 'Pop' and 'Gone', but hardly the rest of it.
Good point. OTOH everything happens for a reason...
> The subjective quality of the songs IS purely a matter of personal opinion, and it cannot be quantified (even with instrumental prowess which you attempted).
Agreed.
> The ONLY way to draw any larger conclusions about "which is better" is to ask people their opinions, and make a statistical generalisation that most people like one of the versions more than the other.
Sort of ... I agree to disagree
> It is STATISTICALLY true that Queen albums are regarded as better than the solo outputs, and that's enough for me to say that Queen albums are "better".
For that matter, it's STATISTICALLY true that Hitler was right, because millions followed him; millions voted for George Bush, so it's STATISTICALLY true that he's a wonderful person...
> Everyone knows that there are the extremes (e.g. you) which would disagree with it, but that doesn't change the opinion of the overwhelming majority.
Sort of ... you've got to consider that the overwhelming majority don't even know Brian's solo career. There's a very subjective aspect in those polls and things.
> I'd never have thought Sebastian was an extremist :P
I am, but not on a dangerous way - the more I can do is throwing a long explanation for my opinions on an online forum. But I'm not the sort of person who'd kill others for having a different religion, race or nationality. In that matter, there have been thousands of people much more extremists than me.
> Even you got to admit, Home for Christmas is one of the best conceptual albums ever made!
Actually, 'No Strings Attached' is much better IMO. I've never been so thrilled about 'Celebrity', although I like 'Pop' and 'Gone', but hardly the rest of it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I honestly don't like listening to all the songs on Back to the Light, they're a little too David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters for me.... [/QUOTE]
Funny you should say that... because i think the best song on your myspace is "missing you" (love it, gave me goosebumps!) and it really reminded me of "Marooned" by Pink Floyd, and thats about as "David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters" as you can get!
I honestly don't like listening to all the songs on Back to the Light, they're a little too David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters for me.... [/QUOTE]
Funny you should say that... because i think the best song on your myspace is "missing you" (love it, gave me goosebumps!) and it really reminded me of "Marooned" by Pink Floyd, and thats about as "David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters" as you can get!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME] For that matter, it's STATISTICALLY true that Hitler was right, because millions followed him; millions voted for George Bush, so it's STATISTICALLY true that he's a wonderful person...[/QUOTE]
Then again you could statistically say that Hitler was wrong because the majority of the people around the world disagreed with him (just like the majority of the world seems to disagree with Bush). ;)
And then there's of course the whole question of whether they knew what he was really up... It's a bit like voting in a Queen vs. Brian poll without ever hearing a single Queen song!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Sort of ... you've got to consider that the overwhelming majority don't even know Brian's solo career. There's a very subjective aspect in those polls and things.[/QUOTE]
I agree of course, and that's why you can't ask about these kinds of things from the average Joe who's never even heard of Brian May as a solo artist... On places like QZ you might get some indication on which is generally considered to be "better", but here we have the risk of being more biased towards the other end of the scale.
Either way, I hope you enjoy listening to Brian May in the future as well. :)
Then again you could statistically say that Hitler was wrong because the majority of the people around the world disagreed with him (just like the majority of the world seems to disagree with Bush). ;)
And then there's of course the whole question of whether they knew what he was really up... It's a bit like voting in a Queen vs. Brian poll without ever hearing a single Queen song!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Sort of ... you've got to consider that the overwhelming majority don't even know Brian's solo career. There's a very subjective aspect in those polls and things.[/QUOTE]
I agree of course, and that's why you can't ask about these kinds of things from the average Joe who's never even heard of Brian May as a solo artist... On places like QZ you might get some indication on which is generally considered to be "better", but here we have the risk of being more biased towards the other end of the scale.
Either way, I hope you enjoy listening to Brian May in the future as well. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]louvox wrote: [/QUOTENAME]it was a total shame he decided to release a crappy disco record just appease his circle of friends.[/QUOTE]... how do you know it was not just to appease HIMSELF...?
Its a very interesting topic. One thing that i dont think has been mentioned is is that as artists they couldnt do anything that sounded remotely like Queen. So they had to change their writing style accordingly. In many ways Barcelona was an easier concept for freddie as it was coming from such a definate place and he could do what he wanted in that particular field. But all the other solo output were trying to be in the same top 40 genre as Queen giving all of them little room to manoeuver as Queen covered so much ground. So i think its a little unfair to judge their writing abilities based on their solo stuff.
Also, major record company backing helps if you want to have any chart or worldwide success, but if you limit all promotion to just queen fans you are going to struggle. For example when justin timberlake came out there was a strategy to sell big that had nothing to do with exsisting n'sync fans
Also, major record company backing helps if you want to have any chart or worldwide success, but if you limit all promotion to just queen fans you are going to struggle. For example when justin timberlake came out there was a strategy to sell big that had nothing to do with exsisting n'sync fans
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]inmydefence wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I honestly don't like listening to all the songs on Back to the Light, they're a little too David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters for me.... [/QUOTE]
Funny you should say that... because i think the best song on your myspace is "missing you" (love it, gave me goosebumps!) and it really reminded me of "Marooned" by Pink Floyd, and thats about as "David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters" as you can get![/QUOTE]
Well it's funny :) There's the music that I like listening to, and there's the music that comes out of me.... and you know what? The two differ a fair bit. If I heard any of my songs on a car radio, I'd probably turn them off pretty quickly :P
Having said that, I really do like Marooned and High Hopes.
I honestly don't like listening to all the songs on Back to the Light, they're a little too David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters for me.... [/QUOTE]
Funny you should say that... because i think the best song on your myspace is "missing you" (love it, gave me goosebumps!) and it really reminded me of "Marooned" by Pink Floyd, and thats about as "David-Gilmour-after-he-was-free-of-Roger-Waters" as you can get![/QUOTE]
Well it's funny :) There's the music that I like listening to, and there's the music that comes out of me.... and you know what? The two differ a fair bit. If I heard any of my songs on a car radio, I'd probably turn them off pretty quickly :P
Having said that, I really do like Marooned and High Hopes.
I don't think Freddie did anything to appease anyone but Freddie. His greatest strength as a writer and artist was his imagination and diversity. I think he'd be bored writing songs like he did for the first two albums in 1985. He changed, but he changed in a direction that was unpopular for most Queen fans.