Zebonka 12: Believe me when I tell you - no-one is a fed-up and cheesed-off with this whole episode than I am.
I have even kept away from this site for the last few months because given everything else that is happening in my life at the moment, I really do not need this stress.
But I am only human, and when I see my name being dragged through the mud, by people I do not know, then it is really hard for me to bite my lip and say nothing. My only defence is that I do NOT start these things. They even started when I was absent and could not - or did not reply. You are right, I should rise above it, but I justify it personally by reasoning - 'It's a reply' - so the thread would still exist without my contribution.
As for rarities can I quote Mr. Monk? They are '...both a blessing and a curse...'.
And as for people saying 'Peace on both sides' or 'arbitration or mediation', can I please just say that my position has never changed. It has been as constant as the North star.
I have no beef against Mr. Brooks personally, and I have no problem sharing, BUT (and here is the rub) I have no faith in QPL, so it really is up to them to make any moves. They know where I am. (Hell my e-mail is even available on this site).
Now call me petty if you will (and in this case I will accept it) but I am dammned if I am chasing after some multi-million pound corporation like some star-struck puppy - if they are NOT interested then that is THEIR choice. Not mine.
I hope that this helps explain my feelings a bit more - but what you guys need to remember is I too am a fan - and just a frustrated at this current 'regime' as the rest of you.
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All quite understandable sirrah; and thanks for the prompt replies. Gaw I hate a conversation that drags on for weeks!!
In truth... we are all here (presumably) for the same reason; Queen! I can only say, here's hoping that it all gets sorted one day.
In truth... we are all here (presumably) for the same reason; Queen! I can only say, here's hoping that it all gets sorted one day.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well John...I'm not sure what to think now. I had been reading your initial posts thinking that you wanted to give them some recordings that you have. But after calling me a "3rd party", I now realise that you don't want to send anything.
Next time, just say, -it's my stuff and I don't want to let any of it out of my sight-. Instead of saying, "However, I am OPEN to negotiation, and I have generously OFFERED MY TAPE up to Queen Productions - if THEY desire it. I am NOT keeping anthing from them." "...because of past experience, I am loath to hand over anything without some sort of caveats in place to protect ALL parties."
A 3rd party? No, John. I wouldn't call anyone here something so official and cold. A QZ'er, for instance, is far nicer.
Adam.[/QUOTE]
Adam, I gave what I thought was an honest reply. That does not negate what I said, nor does it contain any hidden meanings between the lines. So please do not add another layer of interpretation which does not exist.
I only meant '3rd party' as a generic factual term - not a term of insult or denegration. What else can I say - it was NOT meant personally.
But if you feel I wrote about you in an insensitve fashion, then I am sorry. If you wish me to say another Q'zoner, then I will change it to read Q'zoner.
Maybe it is a macho thing, but, if QPL do not wish to deal with me direct - then they can kiss my a*se. If that is childish - then so be it. But as I said to Zebonka above, they know how to contact me.
Nothing personal. No hidden agenda. No atrnative motives.
Again I apologise if I appeared heartless and insensitive.
Next time, just say, -it's my stuff and I don't want to let any of it out of my sight-. Instead of saying, "However, I am OPEN to negotiation, and I have generously OFFERED MY TAPE up to Queen Productions - if THEY desire it. I am NOT keeping anthing from them." "...because of past experience, I am loath to hand over anything without some sort of caveats in place to protect ALL parties."
A 3rd party? No, John. I wouldn't call anyone here something so official and cold. A QZ'er, for instance, is far nicer.
Adam.[/QUOTE]
Adam, I gave what I thought was an honest reply. That does not negate what I said, nor does it contain any hidden meanings between the lines. So please do not add another layer of interpretation which does not exist.
I only meant '3rd party' as a generic factual term - not a term of insult or denegration. What else can I say - it was NOT meant personally.
But if you feel I wrote about you in an insensitve fashion, then I am sorry. If you wish me to say another Q'zoner, then I will change it to read Q'zoner.
Maybe it is a macho thing, but, if QPL do not wish to deal with me direct - then they can kiss my a*se. If that is childish - then so be it. But as I said to Zebonka above, they know how to contact me.
Nothing personal. No hidden agenda. No atrnative motives.
Again I apologise if I appeared heartless and insensitive.
John, I'm just throwing out a thought here, but why not take up Adam's offer with the agreement of you being there in the same place (providing, of course, Adam can get permission from whoever or whatever, etc). That way you will also get to see what happens to any stuff that may have been copied onto computers - whether the stuff is wiped completely, etc.
That way you will get a high quality (industry standard I presume?) transfer that could be used by QPL, and you get to keep your original stuff (and possibly end up with a high transfer for yourself - providing Adam can do this again of course).
Like I said, this is just me throwing out a thought that I hope could go some way to resolving any issues between yourself and QPL. All this is provided that Adam wants to/can do his part as well.
That way you will get a high quality (industry standard I presume?) transfer that could be used by QPL, and you get to keep your original stuff (and possibly end up with a high transfer for yourself - providing Adam can do this again of course).
Like I said, this is just me throwing out a thought that I hope could go some way to resolving any issues between yourself and QPL. All this is provided that Adam wants to/can do his part as well.
Just to make something clear, I am NOT part of a studio. So, there'd be no-one around to steal the tracks! Also, I don't have industry standard equipment per se. Though, in the next year or so, it would be possible to obtain some or go somewhere I can get in for free!
But I get the feeling John doesn't want to do anything, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that. But the offer is always there. It would be a privilege to be a part of it.
Adam.
But I get the feeling John doesn't want to do anything, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that. But the offer is always there. It would be a privilege to be a part of it.
Adam.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Just to make something clear, I am NOT part of a studio. So, there'd be no-one around to steal the tracks! Also, I don't have industry standard equipment per se. Though, in the next year or so, it would be possible to obtain some or go somewhere I can get in for free!
But I get the feeling John doesn't want to do anything, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that. But the offer is always there. It would be a privilege to be a part of it.
Adam. [/QUOTE]
Ok thanks for clearing that up Adam. I couldnt remember if you said whether you were at Uni doing your audio stuff or not, and that was why I mentioned about permission and all that stuff. And I wasnt suggesting that you would steal the tracks either - you dont come across as that sort of person (at least on here anyway)
As for John, it appears as though some sort of "olive branch" has been extended in this thread
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1038014
So I suppose its up to the respective parties now.
Off topic - I just checked out your profile on myspace. Raining In Baltimore is an excellent song!! Well done Adam
Dave
But I get the feeling John doesn't want to do anything, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that. But the offer is always there. It would be a privilege to be a part of it.
Adam. [/QUOTE]
Ok thanks for clearing that up Adam. I couldnt remember if you said whether you were at Uni doing your audio stuff or not, and that was why I mentioned about permission and all that stuff. And I wasnt suggesting that you would steal the tracks either - you dont come across as that sort of person (at least on here anyway)
As for John, it appears as though some sort of "olive branch" has been extended in this thread
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1038014
So I suppose its up to the respective parties now.
Off topic - I just checked out your profile on myspace. Raining In Baltimore is an excellent song!! Well done Adam
Dave
I might be wrong, but in this case i think i would act like JSS.
If he owns such rare artefacts by Queen, it´s only natural to negotiate with oficial Queen staff in the first place.
A third party would mean = leaked stuff to be bootleged!
Even though with QueenProductions there´s that possibility too, at least there would be signed contratcts to save interests of both parties.
If i was a Queen member or someone related to QP (and it doesn´t have to be Greg Brooks - let´s respect the fact that this two guys don´t get along- we all have relations like this!), and heard that someone has a studio version of "Hangman" or any other items that were almost impossible to find in other source, i think i would do everything i could to get a deal with that somebody.
I remind you that a couple of years ago, a private collector who owns a never released song by Jimy Hendrix had signed a deal with the Hendrix family allowing that song to be released and earning him part of the royalties. Is this fair?- Well, it´s just business, so yes, it´s more than fair!
Everybody wins- the fans, familly, and the collector.
Before judging this, just think about how big companies make money. The artists are not that well paid concerning royalties. It gets a time in the history of a band like Queen, that doing things thinking about money is just not the best thing to do. Why?- because with Queen, if the product is good, the return is guaranteed. Even if the peoduct isn´t good, Queen will sell it anyway!
So, my opinion is:
If Queen are going to release the Box Sets, this will probably be their best product EVER, and one of the most collectable items you´ll ever put your hands on! Musicians and music fans in general want to hear how did they manage to do it in the studio. It´s like the Beatles and Pink Floyd. In the future there are certain artists products like this boxes wich will be used not only for pleasure purposes but also for study purposes!
And if Queen are really going for the best of the best box sets around, it´s up to them to really trace everything they can. Negotiate with everyone!
I think it would be more frustating to release something, and then discover that it was not complete.
If JSS is open for negotiations with them, then i think it´s a damn good start, don´t you?
Take care
If he owns such rare artefacts by Queen, it´s only natural to negotiate with oficial Queen staff in the first place.
A third party would mean = leaked stuff to be bootleged!
Even though with QueenProductions there´s that possibility too, at least there would be signed contratcts to save interests of both parties.
If i was a Queen member or someone related to QP (and it doesn´t have to be Greg Brooks - let´s respect the fact that this two guys don´t get along- we all have relations like this!), and heard that someone has a studio version of "Hangman" or any other items that were almost impossible to find in other source, i think i would do everything i could to get a deal with that somebody.
I remind you that a couple of years ago, a private collector who owns a never released song by Jimy Hendrix had signed a deal with the Hendrix family allowing that song to be released and earning him part of the royalties. Is this fair?- Well, it´s just business, so yes, it´s more than fair!
Everybody wins- the fans, familly, and the collector.
Before judging this, just think about how big companies make money. The artists are not that well paid concerning royalties. It gets a time in the history of a band like Queen, that doing things thinking about money is just not the best thing to do. Why?- because with Queen, if the product is good, the return is guaranteed. Even if the peoduct isn´t good, Queen will sell it anyway!
So, my opinion is:
If Queen are going to release the Box Sets, this will probably be their best product EVER, and one of the most collectable items you´ll ever put your hands on! Musicians and music fans in general want to hear how did they manage to do it in the studio. It´s like the Beatles and Pink Floyd. In the future there are certain artists products like this boxes wich will be used not only for pleasure purposes but also for study purposes!
And if Queen are really going for the best of the best box sets around, it´s up to them to really trace everything they can. Negotiate with everyone!
I think it would be more frustating to release something, and then discover that it was not complete.
If JSS is open for negotiations with them, then i think it´s a damn good start, don´t you?
Take care
Great thoughts Bobby Brown. I'm totally confused as I do believe JSS and his version of events, but for all we know, he may be a raving nutter, as Greg implies. Of course Greg comes on here to stir the pot, and he seems to delight in taking a rise out of JSS for no particular reason. Not adult behavior for a representative of QP, but these two aren't going to work it out.
On the business side of things, John holds all the cards. I believe he has things that would be a necessity for the definitive Queen box set (release date, 2034.) He's been burned by QP before, why would he deal with them without safeguards? It's John's property, no-one else's, so if he can sell it for the price he wants, he should do that, but to expect him to ship it to a third party of release it for the greater good of the fans that want to hear it? Bizarre. Stick to your guns Johnny.
On the business side of things, John holds all the cards. I believe he has things that would be a necessity for the definitive Queen box set (release date, 2034.) He's been burned by QP before, why would he deal with them without safeguards? It's John's property, no-one else's, so if he can sell it for the price he wants, he should do that, but to expect him to ship it to a third party of release it for the greater good of the fans that want to hear it? Bizarre. Stick to your guns Johnny.
Ok, ok people calm the hell down! This is just a recording for God's sake! To end the confusion on JSS's recording, he OWNS the recording and can do whatever he chooses, perhaps you don't understand that when you buy an artist's recording like this one, you also buy the copyright, just as i have done in the past with Reels, Photos, and lyrics. So i guess to you ignorant twats you actually believe that when Michael Jackson bought 'The Beatles' Catalog that he isn't the rightful owner and cannot make the profit from the sales? LOL Same category, get over this shit because JSS is the Sole Owner of the recording if it was purchased from one who owned the recording. Who gives a flying fuck about QP anyways? Not me! Us Collectors and fans have more items than they will ever have and will ever see. Until they want to shut up and listen to us and release what should be released, then go blow a tree. I think that WE KNOW MORE OF WHAT WE WANT TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO THAN YOU QUEEN PRODUCTIONS ASSHOLES! Think for once GREG BROOKS, you fat slobby asshole! You are about the most childist and patronizing little fuck i have ever seen! Maybe i will send in a little (just a little) note to your employer's about how to obtain 'Hooked on Phonics', and the new book 'Archiving for Dummies' books! And go out a take a PR and Customer service class! WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS AND ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYERS! EVEN TO YOU BRIAN, AND ROGER, WITHOUT US, YOU WOULDN'T BE WHERE YOU ARE TODAY, WE ARE YOUR EMPLOYERS!! Ok enough of my rants, but i am so sickened with the whole argument bit. GB is a child in a fat swine's body, and JSS is an intelect in a Whiney kids body, anyone care? Nope. I respect the both of them to a certain extent, JSS, for obvious reasons, GB, for being so brave enough to even talk here! LOL.
"Ok, ok people calm the hell down!"
It's nice that you put that in front of the rant. Putting it at the end might've made you look like a hypocrite!
It's nice that you put that in front of the rant. Putting it at the end might've made you look like a hypocrite!
All that was missing was "sorry for my english....greetz"
Maybe you guys should collect Star Trek dolls or something. It's one frickin' performance, right? "The fans are missing out"!!! Are you kidding me?
The fans have moved on.
Or is this the concert that "took the world by storm"?
The fans have moved on.
Or is this the concert that "took the world by storm"?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Maybe you guys should collect Star Trek dolls or something. It's one frickin' performance, right? "The fans are missing out"!!! Are you kidding me?
The fans have moved on.
Or is this the concert that "took the world by storm"?[/QUOTE]
Star Trek dolls?! LOL!
In GB's case, you're actually closer to reality than you probably think! ;-)
The fans have moved on.
Or is this the concert that "took the world by storm"?[/QUOTE]
Star Trek dolls?! LOL!
In GB's case, you're actually closer to reality than you probably think! ;-)
So after let's say 5 years of fighting between those 2 people (JSS and GB) all we got now is another thread with arguments and I must say sumwat abbusive (yes Chezchi you) rants.
What I was wondering. Can't the collectors of Queenzone (and perhaps other queensites, with a certain amount of collectors) create their own archive?
I take it, that, when what Crezchi said in his rant about " You buy the item, you buy the rights for it", that you are not allowed to reproduce it?
If so.. When the people of QZ and etc. create their own archive and are allowed to release certain stuff, this world of Queenfans would be a much happier place.
What I was wondering. Can't the collectors of Queenzone (and perhaps other queensites, with a certain amount of collectors) create their own archive?
I take it, that, when what Crezchi said in his rant about " You buy the item, you buy the rights for it", that you are not allowed to reproduce it?
If so.. When the people of QZ and etc. create their own archive and are allowed to release certain stuff, this world of Queenfans would be a much happier place.
wait I said that wrong.. let's say that Michael Jackson has the right for the Beatles collection, he has the right to sell these items?
if so when collectors buy a queen product, are they allowed to share it with the rest of the world?
if so when collectors buy a queen product, are they allowed to share it with the rest of the world?