[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time. [/QUOTE]
That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast.
I'm not from NY, didn't know anybody involved in the whole 9-11 affair, but my brother is a firefighter.
Why do people think we should stop having remembrances? Did they lose somebody or are still coping with the attacks that day? No... I doubt they are.
So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. Celebrate and remember all you want.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time. [/QUOTE]
That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast.
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It was also an actual TV broadcast - as was today's MSNBC REbroadcast of the actual coverage. On TV. Which will again be rebroadcast tonight in it's entirety.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. [/QUOTE]
Wrong again. Some of us WERE there. Some of us DID lose friends that day. And some of us are ready to let those people rest. Some of us are ready to acknowledge that while this was the worst attack on American soil and that it shook our souls, we are strong enough to focus on what's next rather than dwell on what's past.
Should we acknowledge what happened that day? Absolutely. Should we consider the footprints of the towers sacred ground? No. Should a memorial be placed there to commemorate the tragedy? Yes. And, as Music Man said, perhaps the annual ceremony does remind us that terrorism is still a global threat that has to be dealt with, but the magnitude of the ceremonies and the hours and hours of airtime it's still receiving is embarrassing. Reliving the past does nothing to protect us in the future. It's time to limit the tributes to silent moments and perhaps a scrolling of the names along TV news banners.
Let's try something new. Let's try to focus on fixing problems rather than creating more.
That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast.
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It was also an actual TV broadcast - as was today's MSNBC REbroadcast of the actual coverage. On TV. Which will again be rebroadcast tonight in it's entirety.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. [/QUOTE]
Wrong again. Some of us WERE there. Some of us DID lose friends that day. And some of us are ready to let those people rest. Some of us are ready to acknowledge that while this was the worst attack on American soil and that it shook our souls, we are strong enough to focus on what's next rather than dwell on what's past.
Should we acknowledge what happened that day? Absolutely. Should we consider the footprints of the towers sacred ground? No. Should a memorial be placed there to commemorate the tragedy? Yes. And, as Music Man said, perhaps the annual ceremony does remind us that terrorism is still a global threat that has to be dealt with, but the magnitude of the ceremonies and the hours and hours of airtime it's still receiving is embarrassing. Reliving the past does nothing to protect us in the future. It's time to limit the tributes to silent moments and perhaps a scrolling of the names along TV news banners.
Let's try something new. Let's try to focus on fixing problems rather than creating more.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And some of us are ready to let those people rest. Some of us are ready to acknowledge that while this was the worst attack on American soil and that it shook our souls, we are strong enough to focus on what's next rather than dwell on what's past.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's time to limit the tributes to silent moments and perhaps a scrolling of the names along TV news banners. [/QUOTE]
Well, you're either (1) contradicting yourself or (2) think your way of remembering should be accepted by all.
What the @#$! does scrolling names do? Tickers are for sports scores and stock quotes, not for paying homage to someone as his name speeds by.
I have a better idea. When YOU get tired of it, simply CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's time to limit the tributes to silent moments and perhaps a scrolling of the names along TV news banners. [/QUOTE]
Well, you're either (1) contradicting yourself or (2) think your way of remembering should be accepted by all.
What the @#$! does scrolling names do? Tickers are for sports scores and stock quotes, not for paying homage to someone as his name speeds by.
I have a better idea. When YOU get tired of it, simply CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Well, you're either (1) contradicting yourself or (2) think your way of remembering should be accepted by all. [/QUOTE]
(1) I see no contradiction in my statements and (2) those who organize the tribute as it’s been each year since, seem to feel their way of remembering should be accepted by all. That’s why the airwaves are filled with their images. There's nothing wrong with wanting tributes of a smaller scale.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME] What the @#$! does scrolling names do? [/QUOTE]
About the same as reading the names aloud every year at the site.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I have a better idea. When YOU get tired of it, simply CHANGE THE CHANNEL. [/QUOTE]
Hard to do when they’re all covering the same event.
Well, you're either (1) contradicting yourself or (2) think your way of remembering should be accepted by all. [/QUOTE]
(1) I see no contradiction in my statements and (2) those who organize the tribute as it’s been each year since, seem to feel their way of remembering should be accepted by all. That’s why the airwaves are filled with their images. There's nothing wrong with wanting tributes of a smaller scale.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME] What the @#$! does scrolling names do? [/QUOTE]
About the same as reading the names aloud every year at the site.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I have a better idea. When YOU get tired of it, simply CHANGE THE CHANNEL. [/QUOTE]
Hard to do when they’re all covering the same event.
I have no problems with the tributes made on September 11th of each year, although I do agree that the media coverage is indeed excessive.
What I think is ridiculous is the huge amount of "posers" who have to remind us every single fuckin' day that this tragedy happened.
All I have to say is... pull that sticker off and move on with your life, for God's sake!
What I think is ridiculous is the huge amount of "posers" who have to remind us every single fuckin' day that this tragedy happened.
All I have to say is... pull that sticker off and move on with your life, for God's sake!
Well, I can understand the sticker thing. They're hard to remove, and why bother with the effort? I still see people with Kerry/Edwards stickers, but I can't really blame them. And really, if you have a 9/11 shirt...if you're a dude, you probably won't throw it out, so you just wear it. I mean, dudes never throw shirts out - nor do they pay attention to what they say. Straight ones, anyway.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
Commemorations or no, it would've been nice if the first 9/11 topic this month had been started by someone with a pulse...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
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Yes and no. You personally have no choice where you are born because your parents made that choice for you. However, if they felt strongly that you should be...Swedish or something, they would have made an effort to ensure you were born in Sweden. A conscious choice was made at some time, albeit a choice limited by economics, national ties etc. Also, the Irish analogy is misleading as I am both irish and british. My kids can be irish, british or American if they choose (however if my son turns out to be a top centre forward for Manchester Utd I am going to use EVERY method of persuasion to get him to declare for Northern ireland!).
I agree with Carlin (great guy). You should be proud for things that you achieve, but also some countries and their citizens have a right to be proud. I have huge respect for the Danes, for example. Wonderful people.
As for the memorial stuff, i don;'t know what's being shown on TV in the US but for some to suggest that there should be no memorial to the biggest terrorist attack in history is just daft. In Northern ireland the biggets single event in 30 years was the Omagh bombing, in which 31 people died. Over 2,000 died in NY, and the city was badly affected for years afterwards. Of course, even that scale of caualties is dwarfed by the Asian tsunami of 2004, by hiroshima, etc. but I have a feeling those doing the most complaining are indulging in a bit of America bashing (a proud European tradition, and one I occasionally indulge in, --for a bit of fun of course). It seems on Queenzone the first to appeal for tolerance of other cultures are also the first to attack American culture, in this case for the way they remember their dead.
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
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Yes and no. You personally have no choice where you are born because your parents made that choice for you. However, if they felt strongly that you should be...Swedish or something, they would have made an effort to ensure you were born in Sweden. A conscious choice was made at some time, albeit a choice limited by economics, national ties etc. Also, the Irish analogy is misleading as I am both irish and british. My kids can be irish, british or American if they choose (however if my son turns out to be a top centre forward for Manchester Utd I am going to use EVERY method of persuasion to get him to declare for Northern ireland!).
I agree with Carlin (great guy). You should be proud for things that you achieve, but also some countries and their citizens have a right to be proud. I have huge respect for the Danes, for example. Wonderful people.
As for the memorial stuff, i don;'t know what's being shown on TV in the US but for some to suggest that there should be no memorial to the biggest terrorist attack in history is just daft. In Northern ireland the biggets single event in 30 years was the Omagh bombing, in which 31 people died. Over 2,000 died in NY, and the city was badly affected for years afterwards. Of course, even that scale of caualties is dwarfed by the Asian tsunami of 2004, by hiroshima, etc. but I have a feeling those doing the most complaining are indulging in a bit of America bashing (a proud European tradition, and one I occasionally indulge in, --for a bit of fun of course). It seems on Queenzone the first to appeal for tolerance of other cultures are also the first to attack American culture, in this case for the way they remember their dead.
I completely disagree. You should ONLY be proud of your achievements. Not your race, not your nationality, not your religion. Not anything anyone else has ever done.
Being Danish, for example, would be a stupid thing to be proud of.
Being Danish, for example, would be a stupid thing to be proud of.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I completely disagree. You should ONLY be proud of your achievements. Not your race, not your nationality, not your religion. Not anything anyone else has ever done.
Being Danish, for example, would be a stupid thing to be proud of.[/QUOTE]
As a general rule you are correct. However, there are exceptions, the wonderful Danes being one of them.
Being Danish, for example, would be a stupid thing to be proud of.[/QUOTE]
As a general rule you are correct. However, there are exceptions, the wonderful Danes being one of them.
What reasoning might you possibly have to say that?
"Of course, even that scale of caualties is dwarfed by the Asian tsunami of 2004, by hiroshima, etc. but I have a feeling those doing the most complaining are indulging in a bit of America bashing"
Wrong!
Wrong!
I hate to say but I didn't notice until about 5 o'clock when I said 'Oh, is it really September 11'. I still think that it's November 9...seriously.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time. [/QUOTE]
That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast.
I'm not from NY, didn't know anybody involved in the whole 9-11 affair, but my brother is a firefighter.
Why do people think we should stop having remembrances? Did they lose somebody or are still coping with the attacks that day? No... I doubt they are.
So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. Celebrate and remember all you want.[/QUOTE]
Hang on, there's a contradiction here.
Either "if you weren't there, shut up" which reduces the people commemorating to the survivors of the towers and the NYFD..
Or "it was a global attack, maaan, the whole world shouldpause to think"
My own feeling is that once you're past the 5 year anniversary, every year is overkill - every five years is enough until you get to 20, then it's every ten.
And quite what a rinky-dink town in New England has to do with it, I'm not sure....
That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast.
I'm not from NY, didn't know anybody involved in the whole 9-11 affair, but my brother is a firefighter.
Why do people think we should stop having remembrances? Did they lose somebody or are still coping with the attacks that day? No... I doubt they are.
So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. Celebrate and remember all you want.[/QUOTE]
Hang on, there's a contradiction here.
Either "if you weren't there, shut up" which reduces the people commemorating to the survivors of the towers and the NYFD..
Or "it was a global attack, maaan, the whole world shouldpause to think"
My own feeling is that once you're past the 5 year anniversary, every year is overkill - every five years is enough until you get to 20, then it's every ten.
And quite what a rinky-dink town in New England has to do with it, I'm not sure....