Ironically, there was a facebook group for my college indicating regret that the college did not organize a ceremony in regards to the attacks.
To each his own, I suppose. To say there should be clear limitations to commemorations is just ridiculous. There is no right and wrong - one should do as he or she pleases.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
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eh patriotic was the only word taht came to mind at the time haha. i guess i was saying, its not that we dont care, but it shouldnt be imposed anymore, i mean we were there, we saw it everywhere on tv and the papers, and itll be in textbooks for our next generations to learn about. its pretty obvious that it wont be forgotten.
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
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eh patriotic was the only word taht came to mind at the time haha. i guess i was saying, its not that we dont care, but it shouldnt be imposed anymore, i mean we were there, we saw it everywhere on tv and the papers, and itll be in textbooks for our next generations to learn about. its pretty obvious that it wont be forgotten.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
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eh patriotic was the only word taht came to mind at the time haha. i guess i was saying, its not that we dont care, but it shouldnt be imposed anymore, i mean we were there, we saw it everywhere on tv and the papers, and itll be in textbooks for our next generations to learn about. its pretty obvious that it wont be forgotten. [/QUOTE]
Personally, I think your use of the word "patriotic" here was appropriate. Especially when you consider how American "patriotism" has been tested in recent years. If you disagree with this administration, you're unpatriotic. If you have an opposing view or even propose a compromise, you're unpatriotic. Feeling that the commemoration ceremonies should end or at the least be reduced in scale means you're unpatriotic. Apparently, we must remain afraid and angry if we are to win this war against terror. <sigh> Voicing an opinion in opposition with popular thought is not "ridiculous", as has been said in this thread, but rather our right of free thought and free speech.
Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve!
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eh patriotic was the only word taht came to mind at the time haha. i guess i was saying, its not that we dont care, but it shouldnt be imposed anymore, i mean we were there, we saw it everywhere on tv and the papers, and itll be in textbooks for our next generations to learn about. its pretty obvious that it wont be forgotten. [/QUOTE]
Personally, I think your use of the word "patriotic" here was appropriate. Especially when you consider how American "patriotism" has been tested in recent years. If you disagree with this administration, you're unpatriotic. If you have an opposing view or even propose a compromise, you're unpatriotic. Feeling that the commemoration ceremonies should end or at the least be reduced in scale means you're unpatriotic. Apparently, we must remain afraid and angry if we are to win this war against terror. <sigh> Voicing an opinion in opposition with popular thought is not "ridiculous", as has been said in this thread, but rather our right of free thought and free speech.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, I can understand the sticker thing. They're hard to remove, and why bother with the effort? I still see people with Kerry/Edwards stickers, but I can't really blame them. And really, if you have a 9/11 shirt...if you're a dude, you probably won't throw it out, so you just wear it. I mean, dudes never throw shirts out - nor do they pay attention to what they say. Straight ones, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Yes, exactly - doesn't that describe a lot of our lip services - being too lazy to remove a sticker and wearing slogans without thinking about them for a minute?
Everyone has the right to mourn and grieve for how long they feel that way but exaggerated public display of grief has something phoney and smells of propaganda. People should be grateful to the rescue workers and firefighters who risked their lives to save others but the public diplay of hero worship would be more credible if the surviving heroes would not have had to sue the grateful city about disabilty pensions and health care.
Yes, exactly - doesn't that describe a lot of our lip services - being too lazy to remove a sticker and wearing slogans without thinking about them for a minute?
Everyone has the right to mourn and grieve for how long they feel that way but exaggerated public display of grief has something phoney and smells of propaganda. People should be grateful to the rescue workers and firefighters who risked their lives to save others but the public diplay of hero worship would be more credible if the surviving heroes would not have had to sue the grateful city about disabilty pensions and health care.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Everyone has the right to mourn and grieve for how long they feel that way but exaggerated public display of grief has something phoney and smells of propaganda. People should be grateful to the rescue workers and firefighters who risked their lives to save others but the public diplay of hero worship would be more credible if the surviving heroes would not have had to sue the grateful city about disabilty pensions and health care. [/QUOTE]
Very, very well said.
Everyone has the right to mourn and grieve for how long they feel that way but exaggerated public display of grief has something phoney and smells of propaganda. People should be grateful to the rescue workers and firefighters who risked their lives to save others but the public diplay of hero worship would be more credible if the surviving heroes would not have had to sue the grateful city about disabilty pensions and health care. [/QUOTE]
Very, very well said.
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I agree completely....well said YourValentine
I agree completely....well said YourValentine
Well, I am kind of surprised by all the memorial services six years on, but I think it is the same on Memorial Day. Either you are the type who likes to go to that sort of thing (parades, ceremonial laying of wreaths, speeches) or you are not. Some people like to watch it all again and cry even if they were not involved directly. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is propaganda. I think it is more a matter of people not wanting to do the wrong thing, not wanting to be disrespectful, and not knowing when to stop or reduce the level of it.
Also, I think it is in bad taste to re-broadcast the events on TV.
Also, I think it is in bad taste to re-broadcast the events on TV.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My kids can be irish, british or American if they choose (however if my son turns out to be a top centre forward for Manchester Utd I am going to use EVERY method of persuasion to get him to declare for Northern ireland!).[/QUOTE]
Haha! Okay, that would be the one exception. If someone chose to move to another country and be proud to be there, then that's another story!
That said, I'd be interested in seeing some statistics from the last ten years: the number of people who have immigrated to the US (and where they came from) vs. the number of people who have emigrated to somewhere else.
Haha! Okay, that would be the one exception. If someone chose to move to another country and be proud to be there, then that's another story!
That said, I'd be interested in seeing some statistics from the last ten years: the number of people who have immigrated to the US (and where they came from) vs. the number of people who have emigrated to somewhere else.
Ask and you shall receive there, Sir GH.
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Here's a link to Wikipedia (I know it's a dangerous source, but they actually pulled their data from the Department of Homeland (In)Security, so it's as accurate as any out there:
Immigrations to the US from 1830-2000 and their country of origin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Immigration_summary_1830_to_2000
Can't really find a good website about US citizens living abroad, but the average of the numbers I've found is about 4 million, and the number seems to be rising.
Consequently, I hope that someday I will be counted among this number of US citizen living abroad...it's a dream of mine to live in another country.
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Here's a link to Wikipedia (I know it's a dangerous source, but they actually pulled their data from the Department of Homeland (In)Security, so it's as accurate as any out there:
Immigrations to the US from 1830-2000 and their country of origin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Immigration_summary_1830_to_2000
Can't really find a good website about US citizens living abroad, but the average of the numbers I've found is about 4 million, and the number seems to be rising.
Consequently, I hope that someday I will be counted among this number of US citizen living abroad...it's a dream of mine to live in another country.
It's a dream of mine to live on another planet.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Here's a link to Wikipedia (I know it's a dangerous source, but they actually pulled their data from the Department of Homeland (In)Security, so it's as accurate as any out there:
Immigrations to the US from 1830-2000 and their country of origin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Immigration_summary_1830_to_2000
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Beautiful... thanks!
Can't say I'm surprised with any of it. Just look at which countries are increasing and which are decreasing...
Immigrations to the US from 1830-2000 and their country of origin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Immigration_summary_1830_to_2000
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Beautiful... thanks!
Can't say I'm surprised with any of it. Just look at which countries are increasing and which are decreasing...
For God's sake 9/11 was a terrible event and someone only wanted to pay some respect to those that died and suffered through it. Why has this thread arisen arguments? If someone still feels strongly about it, let them. I see no harm in having the bumper stickers or tshirts or whatever, especially if they witnessed it or had a loved one die. If they didn't lose someone or witness it, there's nothing wrong with them feeling sorrow for those that did die or lose someone. I think that the use of the term "get over it" is rather ignorant to be used in this thread.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]QueenMercury46 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]For God's sake 9/11 was a terrible event and someone only wanted to pay some respect to those that died and suffered through it. Why has this thread arisen arguments? If someone still feels strongly about it, let them. I see no harm in having the bumper stickers or tshirts or whatever, especially if they witnessed it or had a loved one die. If they didn't lose someone or witness it, there's nothing wrong with them feeling sorrow for those that did die or lose someone. I think that the use of the term "get over it" is rather ignorant to be used in this thread.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is different in their thinking. I wouldn't worry too much about what is said here. The views of certain individuals have remained consistent since I've been reading the board.
Everyone is different in their thinking. I wouldn't worry too much about what is said here. The views of certain individuals have remained consistent since I've been reading the board.