[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Killer_Whale wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I absolutely agree with LozlanTheMage, but may be Treasure Moment have given figurative comparison? Tchaikovsky has told, that Mozart is The Musical God, because he admired him, as before great talent. (sorry for grammar)
But, I don't understand Treasure Moment why believing people are fools. I'm Christian and I don't consider myself as a silly woman. Such statements are disrespectful.
As to Freddie, he was the unconditional genius and his replacement is impossible. If I am not mistaken, Deacon has the same opinion?
Yours sincerely. [/QUOTE]
yes i mean he was a musical genius but he was also an incredible human being. Have you asked youself why you are christian and not muslim or jew or any of the other made up religions?
why do you believe in it?
what makes it worth believing?
does it make sense?
is the world 5000 years old?
arent we 99% genetically like a monkey?
you believe people can walk on water?
is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created?
why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it?
we are going to live on clouds in afterlife?
i could come up with many more questions...
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It isn't hard to find the answers to those questions, you know.
Treasure Moment, I asked all of these questions, and, many, many more, in my youth. I do not believe I ever made a single individual doubt their faith by asking them. Here are some of the answers I have received, over the years:
why do you believe in it? Because God commands me to.
what makes it worth believing? Heaven.
does it make sense? Yes.
is the world 5000 years old? Not all of the bible is meant to be taken literally.
arent we 99% genetically like a monkey?(this is my own answer) Actually, that is 93%. 98% is shared with APES. What a christian might say: I don't believe that. Science is just theories, anyhow.
you believe people can walk on water?Yes
is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created?Not twisted, GENEROUS
why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? So that humans have the opportunity to choose, thereby creating free will.
we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? No one knows, for certain, what heaven actually looks like.
why do you believe in it? Because God commands me to.
what makes it worth believing? Heaven.
does it make sense? Yes.
is the world 5000 years old? Not all of the bible is meant to be taken literally.
arent we 99% genetically like a monkey?(this is my own answer) Actually, that is 93%. 98% is shared with APES. What a christian might say: I don't believe that. Science is just theories, anyhow.
you believe people can walk on water?Yes
is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created?Not twisted, GENEROUS
why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? So that humans have the opportunity to choose, thereby creating free will.
we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? No one knows, for certain, what heaven actually looks like.
some people here are spiritual, not religious. is that still considered wrong?
why do you believe in it? why not?
what makes it worth believing? i believe life is about learning for my self purpose, and the same for others. were here for a short time, and i believe we will be here again and again. we grow as souls.
does it make sense? not everything makes sense anyway. maybe religion doenst make sense to you, thats fine. what doesnt makes sense is why you put people down for your self-esteem.
is the world 5000 years old? unlikely, but perhaps there have been worlds before us? maybe THIS particular world (not the earth's age) is 5000 years old.
arent we 99% genetically like a monkey? Dusta answered this nicely.
you believe people can walk on water? who said being religious makes people to believe that one can walk on water? and im sure there are certain densities of liquid that are possible to walk on. but when there is ice, its still water in a different form, right? so yes. people can walk on water.
is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created? i suppose TM you are one of those who thinks natural disasters are caused to make you miserable, and all by God's will, huh? Im sure it was Jesus' free will to die as he did. some people know their fate. some people feel there are obligations to get their point across. many revolutionary leaders died young, and mostly for their purpose, and rarely on their own hands. some people are sent to this earth to do extereme things to teach us our OWN lessons, to shake the world, for a mass amount of people to understand something.
why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? do you like it when others do wrong to you? 'sin' is the idea of someone harming another. as far as im concerned, you sin by putting down other peoples freewill to view the world as they do, be it thru religion or spirituality, or both or neither. sin is to TEACH OURSELVES what is right and wrong in 'common sense' and morality among eachother
we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? we dont know. i believe we will go to someplace we cannot fathom. clouds may have been the simplest answer for someone to describe in the world as they knew it.
example: go back to the 1800s and tell someone what a TV is. one may say 'its a box with moving pictures!' and someones concept would be 'how silly! a painting cannot move!' because that is what they know as a picture, before photos, before televisions, and so forth.
you are mortal, freddie was mortal, Jesus was mortal, we are all mortal. the only thing immortal is our mark on earth, and even so, that is a rare thing to be known thruought the ages. there are things we dont always understand. unfortunatly, most people cant accept that, and either reject the idea of religion or spirituality, or rely on that. there is such thing as a middle ground in anything, and thats called an open mind.
anything is solved by seeing all sides of the story.
do you have to agree with EVERYTHING religion says? no, nobody does. we are given free will to do so. i believe 'God' (who has been too personified, and since is intangible, one can easily say 'He' cannot be seen so 'He' does not exist.
the air is there, but we cant see it. does that mean it doent exist?
Jesus, Buddah, Mohammed, etc, were simply teachers with great wisdom, and all religion is, is a structure that these teachers have created. yes it is wrong when people use this as an excuse for their harm they may cause, but you cant win everything.
you, TM are expressing your free will by putting others down. fine, but its not worth your time, and its not worth our time perpetuating it. you could be more than a monkey and behave better :) open your mind, it wouldnt kill you. we can say youre wrong, you can say were wrong. maybe were all right, maybe were all wrong.
there, im done. im sure this will be ignored or somehow put down.
why do you believe in it? why not?
what makes it worth believing? i believe life is about learning for my self purpose, and the same for others. were here for a short time, and i believe we will be here again and again. we grow as souls.
does it make sense? not everything makes sense anyway. maybe religion doenst make sense to you, thats fine. what doesnt makes sense is why you put people down for your self-esteem.
is the world 5000 years old? unlikely, but perhaps there have been worlds before us? maybe THIS particular world (not the earth's age) is 5000 years old.
arent we 99% genetically like a monkey? Dusta answered this nicely.
you believe people can walk on water? who said being religious makes people to believe that one can walk on water? and im sure there are certain densities of liquid that are possible to walk on. but when there is ice, its still water in a different form, right? so yes. people can walk on water.
is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created? i suppose TM you are one of those who thinks natural disasters are caused to make you miserable, and all by God's will, huh? Im sure it was Jesus' free will to die as he did. some people know their fate. some people feel there are obligations to get their point across. many revolutionary leaders died young, and mostly for their purpose, and rarely on their own hands. some people are sent to this earth to do extereme things to teach us our OWN lessons, to shake the world, for a mass amount of people to understand something.
why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? do you like it when others do wrong to you? 'sin' is the idea of someone harming another. as far as im concerned, you sin by putting down other peoples freewill to view the world as they do, be it thru religion or spirituality, or both or neither. sin is to TEACH OURSELVES what is right and wrong in 'common sense' and morality among eachother
we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? we dont know. i believe we will go to someplace we cannot fathom. clouds may have been the simplest answer for someone to describe in the world as they knew it.
example: go back to the 1800s and tell someone what a TV is. one may say 'its a box with moving pictures!' and someones concept would be 'how silly! a painting cannot move!' because that is what they know as a picture, before photos, before televisions, and so forth.
you are mortal, freddie was mortal, Jesus was mortal, we are all mortal. the only thing immortal is our mark on earth, and even so, that is a rare thing to be known thruought the ages. there are things we dont always understand. unfortunatly, most people cant accept that, and either reject the idea of religion or spirituality, or rely on that. there is such thing as a middle ground in anything, and thats called an open mind.
anything is solved by seeing all sides of the story.
do you have to agree with EVERYTHING religion says? no, nobody does. we are given free will to do so. i believe 'God' (who has been too personified, and since is intangible, one can easily say 'He' cannot be seen so 'He' does not exist.
the air is there, but we cant see it. does that mean it doent exist?
Jesus, Buddah, Mohammed, etc, were simply teachers with great wisdom, and all religion is, is a structure that these teachers have created. yes it is wrong when people use this as an excuse for their harm they may cause, but you cant win everything.
you, TM are expressing your free will by putting others down. fine, but its not worth your time, and its not worth our time perpetuating it. you could be more than a monkey and behave better :) open your mind, it wouldnt kill you. we can say youre wrong, you can say were wrong. maybe were all right, maybe were all wrong.
there, im done. im sure this will be ignored or somehow put down.
Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words?
no one has had contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth.
to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.
no one has had contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth.
to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words?
no one has have contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth.
to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Right, I'm going to have one more shot at this, and then I call it quits:
First off, have you ever read the bible or any other holy book? No, I thought not. Let me introduce myself: I'm Caspar Mulders, and I'm an historian at Leiden University. I have looked into sacred texts (especially the Jewish Torah ("The Law", literally), better known as the Old Testament). When you read it from a professional perspective, you will see that it is quite an intelligent book...unless you read it wrongly.
No, it is not the 'Word of God' or anything like that. You can believe it is if you wish, but that is a contradiction of history. Take, for instance, the book of Genesis, which gives two contradicting accounts of the Creation. What the books ARE, in fact, is a comprehensive mythological history of the Jewish people, meant for the ordinary people to hear. This is the "story" you would read in any translation of the Old Testament. It was probably meant to create a sense of unity among the Jewish people, by giving them a mutual history. This makes sense, as the writing of the books dates back to the approximate time when the Jewish people were beginning to form a national state of some kind.
However, the really beautiful part is the following: within the stories of the Old Testament, a more subtle, philosophical system of thought is hidden. It is a symbolic, mystical description of the universe, our place in it, its origin, etc.
Not just that, it largely corroborates modern science. I'll give you an example:
According to the first sentence of the Old Testament ("In the beginning God..."), when given a symbological reading (analysing the words themselves, the order in which letters are placed, etc.), at first there was nothing. From nothing came fire, and fire created the Heavens and the Earth. This needs a slight addition: the system of writing used in Hebrew has every symbol representing a word, a letter and a number (there's the importance of the Trinity for you). Learned writing in the form of commentaries on the text of the old testament elaborates on the first sentence of the Old Testament by saying this: at first there was Ain [A Hebrew letter meaning an aspiration (phonetic attribute), 70 or the word 'nothing']. From Ain came the idea "Ain Soph" ("without limit"), and from that came "Ain Soph Aur" ("light without limit", described to resemble what we call the time-space continuum). From this nothing originated the concept "1" (there being "something"), 1 = Aleph, meaning "air" (the alchemic concept, so any gas or something that resembles a gas).
Now God is fire ("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus). Fire is the letter Shin. The first word of the bible is Bereshit ("beginning"). The two middle letters of that word are the Aleph and Shin. So, symbolically, it reads: the beginning came out of air and fire.
Couple this with the above, and you will see that out of nothing (emptiness, if you will) came the universe when fire (a spark) met air (a gas). In other words: gas exploded and created the universe ==> The Big Bang.
And the Old Testament is completely filled like that, every single letter having a symbolic meaning. That is one of the reasons why experts believe that the Hebrew language was never actually spoken (they believe that Aramaïc was the language spoken), but solely used as a priestly language. It would'
no one has have contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth.
to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Right, I'm going to have one more shot at this, and then I call it quits:
First off, have you ever read the bible or any other holy book? No, I thought not. Let me introduce myself: I'm Caspar Mulders, and I'm an historian at Leiden University. I have looked into sacred texts (especially the Jewish Torah ("The Law", literally), better known as the Old Testament). When you read it from a professional perspective, you will see that it is quite an intelligent book...unless you read it wrongly.
No, it is not the 'Word of God' or anything like that. You can believe it is if you wish, but that is a contradiction of history. Take, for instance, the book of Genesis, which gives two contradicting accounts of the Creation. What the books ARE, in fact, is a comprehensive mythological history of the Jewish people, meant for the ordinary people to hear. This is the "story" you would read in any translation of the Old Testament. It was probably meant to create a sense of unity among the Jewish people, by giving them a mutual history. This makes sense, as the writing of the books dates back to the approximate time when the Jewish people were beginning to form a national state of some kind.
However, the really beautiful part is the following: within the stories of the Old Testament, a more subtle, philosophical system of thought is hidden. It is a symbolic, mystical description of the universe, our place in it, its origin, etc.
Not just that, it largely corroborates modern science. I'll give you an example:
According to the first sentence of the Old Testament ("In the beginning God..."), when given a symbological reading (analysing the words themselves, the order in which letters are placed, etc.), at first there was nothing. From nothing came fire, and fire created the Heavens and the Earth. This needs a slight addition: the system of writing used in Hebrew has every symbol representing a word, a letter and a number (there's the importance of the Trinity for you). Learned writing in the form of commentaries on the text of the old testament elaborates on the first sentence of the Old Testament by saying this: at first there was Ain [A Hebrew letter meaning an aspiration (phonetic attribute), 70 or the word 'nothing']. From Ain came the idea "Ain Soph" ("without limit"), and from that came "Ain Soph Aur" ("light without limit", described to resemble what we call the time-space continuum). From this nothing originated the concept "1" (there being "something"), 1 = Aleph, meaning "air" (the alchemic concept, so any gas or something that resembles a gas).
Now God is fire ("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus). Fire is the letter Shin. The first word of the bible is Bereshit ("beginning"). The two middle letters of that word are the Aleph and Shin. So, symbolically, it reads: the beginning came out of air and fire.
Couple this with the above, and you will see that out of nothing (emptiness, if you will) came the universe when fire (a spark) met air (a gas). In other words: gas exploded and created the universe ==> The Big Bang.
And the Old Testament is completely filled like that, every single letter having a symbolic meaning. That is one of the reasons why experts believe that the Hebrew language was never actually spoken (they believe that Aramaïc was the language spoken), but solely used as a priestly language. It would'
Very enlightening, TQ. You realize it'll take him days, perhaps weeks, to interpret all of that. The clock is on.
Of course, that could all be Bereshit.
Of course, that could all be Bereshit.
yh he is And mcirowave i want us to be friends mcirowave you seem nice
do u want to be ??
do u want to be ??
But I am afraid of love.
aww dont worry
you wont love me x
you wont love me x
Aren't we all?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But I am afraid of love.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But I am afraid of love.[/QUOTE]
Cripes, I actually learned a few new details, here! Excellent post! Thank you!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words?
no one has have contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth.
to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Right, I'm going to have one more shot at this, and then I call it quits:
First off, have you ever read the bible or any other holy book? No, I thought not. Let me introduce myself: I'm Caspar Mulders, and I'm an historian at Leiden University. I have looked into sacred texts (especially the Jewish Torah ("The Law", literally), better known as the Old Testament). When you read it from a professional perspective, you will see that it is quite an intelligent book...unless you read it wrongly.
No, it is not the 'Word of God' or anything like that. You can believe it is if you wish, but that is a contradiction of history. Take, for instance, the book of Genesis, which gives two contradicting accounts of the Creation. What the books ARE, in fact, is a comprehensive mythological history of the Jewish people, meant for the ordinary people to hear. This is the "story" you would read in any translation of the Old Testament. It was probably meant to create a sense of unity among the Jewish people, by giving them a mutual history. This makes sense, as the writing of the books dates back to the approximate time when the Jewish people were beginning to form a national state of some kind.
However, the really beautiful part is the following: within the stories of the Old Testament, a more subtle, philosophical system of thought is hidden. It is a symbolic, mystical description of the universe, our place in it, its origin, etc.
Not just that, it largely corroborates modern science. I'll give you an example:
According to the first sentence of the Old Testament ("In the beginning God..."), when given a symbological reading (analysing the words themselves, the order in which letters are placed, etc.), at first there was nothing. From nothing came fire, and fire created the Heavens and the Earth. This needs a slight addition: the system of writing used in Hebrew has every symbol representing a word, a letter and a number (there's the importance of the Trinity for you). Learned writing in the form of commentaries on the text of the old testament elaborates on the first sentence of the Old Testament by saying this: at first there was Ain [A Hebrew letter meaning an aspiration (phonetic attribute), 70 or the word 'nothing']. From Ain came the idea "Ain Soph" ("without limit"), and from that came "Ain Soph Aur" ("light without limit", described to resemble what we call the time-space continuum). From this nothing originated the concept "1" (there being "something"), 1 = Aleph, meaning "air" (the alchemic concept, so any gas or something that resembles a gas).
Now God is fire ("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus). Fire is the letter Shin. The first word of the bible is Bereshit ("beginning"). The two middle letters of that word are the Aleph and Shin. So, symbolically, it reads: the beginning came out of air and fire.
Couple this with the above, and you will see that out of nothing (emptiness, if you will) came the universe when fire (a spark) met air (a gas). In other words: gas exploded and created the universe ==> The Big Bang.
And the Old Testament is completely filled like that, every single letter having a symbolic meaning. That is one of the reaso
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words?
no one has have contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth.
to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Right, I'm going to have one more shot at this, and then I call it quits:
First off, have you ever read the bible or any other holy book? No, I thought not. Let me introduce myself: I'm Caspar Mulders, and I'm an historian at Leiden University. I have looked into sacred texts (especially the Jewish Torah ("The Law", literally), better known as the Old Testament). When you read it from a professional perspective, you will see that it is quite an intelligent book...unless you read it wrongly.
No, it is not the 'Word of God' or anything like that. You can believe it is if you wish, but that is a contradiction of history. Take, for instance, the book of Genesis, which gives two contradicting accounts of the Creation. What the books ARE, in fact, is a comprehensive mythological history of the Jewish people, meant for the ordinary people to hear. This is the "story" you would read in any translation of the Old Testament. It was probably meant to create a sense of unity among the Jewish people, by giving them a mutual history. This makes sense, as the writing of the books dates back to the approximate time when the Jewish people were beginning to form a national state of some kind.
However, the really beautiful part is the following: within the stories of the Old Testament, a more subtle, philosophical system of thought is hidden. It is a symbolic, mystical description of the universe, our place in it, its origin, etc.
Not just that, it largely corroborates modern science. I'll give you an example:
According to the first sentence of the Old Testament ("In the beginning God..."), when given a symbological reading (analysing the words themselves, the order in which letters are placed, etc.), at first there was nothing. From nothing came fire, and fire created the Heavens and the Earth. This needs a slight addition: the system of writing used in Hebrew has every symbol representing a word, a letter and a number (there's the importance of the Trinity for you). Learned writing in the form of commentaries on the text of the old testament elaborates on the first sentence of the Old Testament by saying this: at first there was Ain [A Hebrew letter meaning an aspiration (phonetic attribute), 70 or the word 'nothing']. From Ain came the idea "Ain Soph" ("without limit"), and from that came "Ain Soph Aur" ("light without limit", described to resemble what we call the time-space continuum). From this nothing originated the concept "1" (there being "something"), 1 = Aleph, meaning "air" (the alchemic concept, so any gas or something that resembles a gas).
Now God is fire ("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus). Fire is the letter Shin. The first word of the bible is Bereshit ("beginning"). The two middle letters of that word are the Aleph and Shin. So, symbolically, it reads: the beginning came out of air and fire.
Couple this with the above, and you will see that out of nothing (emptiness, if you will) came the universe when fire (a spark) met air (a gas). In other words: gas exploded and created the universe ==> The Big Bang.
And the Old Testament is completely filled like that, every single letter having a symbolic meaning. That is one of the reaso
Erratum:
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
Okay, and the God of Music died of AIDS.
Some God he is, a perfect example for everybody.
Some God he is, a perfect example for everybody.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Very enlightening, TQ. You realize it'll take him days, perhaps weeks, to interpret all of that. The clock is on.
Of course, that could all be Bereshit.[/QUOTE]
yeah days, all those books are nonsense.
Of course, that could all be Bereshit.[/QUOTE]
yeah days, all those books are nonsense.