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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Erratum:
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
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Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
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Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Just because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it.
Just because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Just because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it.
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no one knows anything about why the hell we are here or this existence and no story book like the bible will make us wiser. Its just a story book.
Just because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it.
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no one knows anything about why the hell we are here or this existence and no story book like the bible will make us wiser. Its just a story book.
y'know, there is good and bad with everything...
Let me explain something with regard to the situation in India where Several Hindu-Muslim riots have taken place.
The Riots were taken obviously with regard to the politician's vote manipulation and the ire to divide people and support the majority.
for example, a train had its people killed by flames (hindus) by apparently muslims...
The BJP party stated it was because the trains were locked from outside... However, Indian trains dont really support locks... everyone knows the people responsible but still everyone is shut too!
There was never a matter of religion to tell the truth, it was just exploited as a reason of war... once a kid asked me while I was reading him a story from the Vedas, 'how is it possible to burn the earth just by a third eye?'
Now, when the books these days use figure of speech to give more effect to a sentence, maybe that was the case even then for both the bible as well as many other books, some effect sentences maybe taken literally.
Coming back to religion and man:
In India, many parents don't let their children go out at nights, many people rob freedom to love in the name of religion... but WE INVENTED KAMASUTRA TOO! And nowhere does it state unmarried love as a sin to begin with!
Its just that just like any other parent, the parents care for their daughter's and son's safety and addictions so they say: 'its because of religion'
Believe me, its how you see things and handle them that makes your religion look nice or bad.
Let me explain something with regard to the situation in India where Several Hindu-Muslim riots have taken place.
The Riots were taken obviously with regard to the politician's vote manipulation and the ire to divide people and support the majority.
for example, a train had its people killed by flames (hindus) by apparently muslims...
The BJP party stated it was because the trains were locked from outside... However, Indian trains dont really support locks... everyone knows the people responsible but still everyone is shut too!
There was never a matter of religion to tell the truth, it was just exploited as a reason of war... once a kid asked me while I was reading him a story from the Vedas, 'how is it possible to burn the earth just by a third eye?'
Now, when the books these days use figure of speech to give more effect to a sentence, maybe that was the case even then for both the bible as well as many other books, some effect sentences maybe taken literally.
Coming back to religion and man:
In India, many parents don't let their children go out at nights, many people rob freedom to love in the name of religion... but WE INVENTED KAMASUTRA TOO! And nowhere does it state unmarried love as a sin to begin with!
Its just that just like any other parent, the parents care for their daughter's and son's safety and addictions so they say: 'its because of religion'
Believe me, its how you see things and handle them that makes your religion look nice or bad.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Erratum:
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
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Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Right, can't say I haven't tried; you're obviously not mature enough to understand. I'll try again in a couple of years.
For now, just bear in mind: I'm a trained historian, you are an obnoxious teenager who has done no research on the subject whatsoever. So between the two of us, who would know this subject best?
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
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Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Right, can't say I haven't tried; you're obviously not mature enough to understand. I'll try again in a couple of years.
For now, just bear in mind: I'm a trained historian, you are an obnoxious teenager who has done no research on the subject whatsoever. So between the two of us, who would know this subject best?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Erratum:
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
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Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Right, can't say I haven't tried; you're obviously not mature enough to understand. I'll try again in a couple of years.
For now, just bear in mind: I'm a trained historian, you are an obnoxious teenager who has done no research on the subject whatsoever. So between the two of us, who would know this subject best?[/QUOTE]
you are an expert on a story book, thats all. About history, i have a very different view on history than you might have.
I suggest you check this out if you want the REAL history
here is the real history and the future for you Thomas
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=1752&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
[QUOTE]("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)[/QUOTE]
It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy:
"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24)
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Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Right, can't say I haven't tried; you're obviously not mature enough to understand. I'll try again in a couple of years.
For now, just bear in mind: I'm a trained historian, you are an obnoxious teenager who has done no research on the subject whatsoever. So between the two of us, who would know this subject best?[/QUOTE]
you are an expert on a story book, thats all. About history, i have a very different view on history than you might have.
I suggest you check this out if you want the REAL history
here is the real history and the future for you Thomas
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=1752&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
YOU ANUS SMELLS
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D[/QUOTE]
Just because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it.
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no one knows anything about why the hell we are here or this existence and no story book like the bible will make us wiser. Its just a story book.[/QUOTE]
Or - to look at it more positively, one can see it as a document of various ancient peoples trying to make sense of their existence at a particular time in history. In that sense, the reader can connect with their spiritual ancestors. Seeing ancient writings as fictional (on the surface) documents of history gives them a different kind of power. This definitely takes time and effort to understand. They're only words until people take them literally, and think they have some kind of power attached to them. Throughout history, we thought the words had literal power because they were given power by people who had power. However, the number of people who are seeing ancient writings as fiction is growing.
Now that we have the freedom to think for ourselves (unlike say, the 14th century), more and more people are coming to see that the only reason ancient religious writings had power over people is because they were politicized in a time when the majority of the people who adhered to them were illiterate (and didn't even have copies to read themselves, as they were only read to them by priests). We still have quite a ways to go!
Even though there is a pretty tainted history, that doesn't make the writings completely irrelevant and useless to those who want to find something within them. Sure, most of the stories themselves aren't historically true, but contained within them are hints of what the true history is. That's where historians like Thomas Quinn come in handy.
As for the philosophical side of figuring out our existence, you choose not to worry about these things (which is perfectly fine), while others like to discuss it (which is also perfectly fine). If everyone could accept that simple truth and also accept that it's all philosophy and nothing more, we'd all be pretty okay, I think.
Just because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it.
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no one knows anything about why the hell we are here or this existence and no story book like the bible will make us wiser. Its just a story book.[/QUOTE]
Or - to look at it more positively, one can see it as a document of various ancient peoples trying to make sense of their existence at a particular time in history. In that sense, the reader can connect with their spiritual ancestors. Seeing ancient writings as fictional (on the surface) documents of history gives them a different kind of power. This definitely takes time and effort to understand. They're only words until people take them literally, and think they have some kind of power attached to them. Throughout history, we thought the words had literal power because they were given power by people who had power. However, the number of people who are seeing ancient writings as fiction is growing.
Now that we have the freedom to think for ourselves (unlike say, the 14th century), more and more people are coming to see that the only reason ancient religious writings had power over people is because they were politicized in a time when the majority of the people who adhered to them were illiterate (and didn't even have copies to read themselves, as they were only read to them by priests). We still have quite a ways to go!
Even though there is a pretty tainted history, that doesn't make the writings completely irrelevant and useless to those who want to find something within them. Sure, most of the stories themselves aren't historically true, but contained within them are hints of what the true history is. That's where historians like Thomas Quinn come in handy.
As for the philosophical side of figuring out our existence, you choose not to worry about these things (which is perfectly fine), while others like to discuss it (which is also perfectly fine). If everyone could accept that simple truth and also accept that it's all philosophy and nothing more, we'd all be pretty okay, I think.
This is quite nice; the religous and non-religous are uniting against a common foe.
Who or what is this foe you happily speak of?
Ignorance? Monotheistic religion? Treasure Moment?
Ignorance? Monotheistic religion? Treasure Moment?
Leviticus is a particularly disturbing book of the old testament.
Indeed. I first read that around the same time as watching the film, "Rosemary's Baby,"...and, I got a bit creeped out by all the, "laws," found therein.
I used to use Leviticus, often, in my arguments with my father, as to why we followed the rules of some parts of the bible, and, not others. Poor dad. He'd always bring up antinomianism...which was never satisfactory to my adolescent mind. What I really wanted him to say was, "Okay, I know the bible is a compilation of politically motivated mythology, and, it is okay that you don't believe." It took some time for me to realize that I could not shake his, nor, anyone else's, faith, and, that it really was bigger than myself. And, truthfully, I did not meet another atheist, or, agnostic, until I was well into adulthood.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Leviticus is a particularly disturbing book of the old testament. [/QUOTE]
I used to use Leviticus, often, in my arguments with my father, as to why we followed the rules of some parts of the bible, and, not others. Poor dad. He'd always bring up antinomianism...which was never satisfactory to my adolescent mind. What I really wanted him to say was, "Okay, I know the bible is a compilation of politically motivated mythology, and, it is okay that you don't believe." It took some time for me to realize that I could not shake his, nor, anyone else's, faith, and, that it really was bigger than myself. And, truthfully, I did not meet another atheist, or, agnostic, until I was well into adulthood.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Leviticus is a particularly disturbing book of the old testament. [/QUOTE]
Freddie God of music?
I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...!
Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music????
Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven???????????
Just to name a few of the well known ones...
speaking about music in general...!
I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...!
Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music????
Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven???????????
Just to name a few of the well known ones...
speaking about music in general...!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]gmhmagic wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Freddie God of music?
I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...!
Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music????
Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven???????????
Just to name a few of the well known ones...
speaking about music in general...!
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yeah ive listened to mozart etc i like them too but freddie is the god of music and thats a fact.
how is that closeminded? the man was the most talented there ever was or ever will be, his voice is the best of all time. His songwriting was amazing, he was the best musician of all time and will be forever without the slightest competition.
I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...!
Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music????
Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven???????????
Just to name a few of the well known ones...
speaking about music in general...!
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yeah ive listened to mozart etc i like them too but freddie is the god of music and thats a fact.
how is that closeminded? the man was the most talented there ever was or ever will be, his voice is the best of all time. His songwriting was amazing, he was the best musician of all time and will be forever without the slightest competition.