Here is the chin of my enquiry with Brian's Soapbox, given the comments made about the DVD:
>>>Brian,
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>>>Reference to your recent soapbox entry: and >>>our boys mixed them with just as much love >>>and care as the rest of the show.
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>>>Can you explain, then, how they managed >>>to "insert" the performance of 'Jailhouse >>>Rock' in completely the wrong place?
>>Hi Ben
>>
>>Thanks for the note. 
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>>Where would you have expected Jailhouse Rock >>to come?
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>>Best wishes
>>Jen
>>FOR SOAPBOX
>Jen,
>
>I'd have "expected" it to come after 'Sheer >Heart Attack' as per the audience tapes from the two shows.
Hopefully, more to follow......
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Your answer is in the audio commentary of the DVD.
Freddie didn't want to wear the same thing during both shows. To annoy the director he wore pants during the encores of the second night so footage couldn't be alternated between both shows.
Freddie didn't want to wear the same thing during both shows. To annoy the director he wore pants during the encores of the second night so footage couldn't be alternated between both shows.
>>Your answer is in the audio commentary of the DVD.
And what difference does that make?
Queen have taken this opportunity to apparently give what they believe to be the very best representation of this show.
The fact is that "Jailhouse Rock" is not in the same position that it was on either night in the set list and, therefore, is NOT the best representation of the show.
On the CD - which I am refering to - you can't see Freddie's fucking trousers, so it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever whether his clothes matched or not.
What you essentially have is what you'd get if they moved the WWRY / WATC encore and stuck it in after 'Save Me'.
It's either laziness or arrogance or stupidity at the very least and ought to be corrected.
And what difference does that make?
Queen have taken this opportunity to apparently give what they believe to be the very best representation of this show.
The fact is that "Jailhouse Rock" is not in the same position that it was on either night in the set list and, therefore, is NOT the best representation of the show.
On the CD - which I am refering to - you can't see Freddie's fucking trousers, so it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever whether his clothes matched or not.
What you essentially have is what you'd get if they moved the WWRY / WATC encore and stuck it in after 'Save Me'.
It's either laziness or arrogance or stupidity at the very least and ought to be corrected.
That is rediculas... You expect one shot of Fred in white jean and the next in shorts and there to be no issue with continuity !
If you want the best representation of the show it has to match from a visual point of view.
Only an obsessive fan would notice the difference in the set list, however everyone else would have not problem spotting Fred with quick change trousers and back again.
If you are going to comment about coninuity, at least think about it first before you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid comment, I am sure Brian will be highly amused with your feedback!
If you want the best representation of the show it has to match from a visual point of view.
Only an obsessive fan would notice the difference in the set list, however everyone else would have not problem spotting Fred with quick change trousers and back again.
If you are going to comment about coninuity, at least think about it first before you shoot yourself in the foot with a stupid comment, I am sure Brian will be highly amused with your feedback!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Only an obsessive fan would notice the difference in the set list, however everyone else would have not problem spotting Fred with quick change trousers and back again.[/QUOTE]
Not (only) obsessive fans but everyone who has some knowledge of Queen's setlists over the years.
I don't consider myself as an obsessive fan by any means but I still think it is ridiculous they have put Jailhouse rock in that spot. Especially as they keep giving statements they want to offer us fans the best ever representation of these two shows in Montreal.
I really don't give a damn what pants Freddie wore (or if any at all) but it annoys me way more when they say this is "the ultimate Montreal release".
It is not. No extra songs (on the DVD) and JR is still in the wrong spot...
Not (only) obsessive fans but everyone who has some knowledge of Queen's setlists over the years.
I don't consider myself as an obsessive fan by any means but I still think it is ridiculous they have put Jailhouse rock in that spot. Especially as they keep giving statements they want to offer us fans the best ever representation of these two shows in Montreal.
I really don't give a damn what pants Freddie wore (or if any at all) but it annoys me way more when they say this is "the ultimate Montreal release".
It is not. No extra songs (on the DVD) and JR is still in the wrong spot...
Togg,
What is "rediculas" is that you haven't noted that I am refering to the CD release of the show, not the DVD; please see my second post for the reference. I have no interest in the DVD whatsoever as I have already paid for this material twice already.
Before you 'lash out', please take the time to fully read what other people are posting before making an arse of yourself.
What is "rediculas" is that you haven't noted that I am refering to the CD release of the show, not the DVD; please see my second post for the reference. I have no interest in the DVD whatsoever as I have already paid for this material twice already.
Before you 'lash out', please take the time to fully read what other people are posting before making an arse of yourself.
.....also note that on the UK release, the sticker on the jewel case reads "Taken from their brilliant concert at The Montreal Forum"
Surely, this indicates that it represents a single concert and not butchered together from two nights.
Flash and The Hero are also refered to as bonus tracks too. How are they bonus tracks when they were an integral part of the show and not represented on the discs as bonus tracks?
Small points, but important in terms of accuracy.
Surely, this indicates that it represents a single concert and not butchered together from two nights.
Flash and The Hero are also refered to as bonus tracks too. How are they bonus tracks when they were an integral part of the show and not represented on the discs as bonus tracks?
Small points, but important in terms of accuracy.
I read your post carefully, and you seem to fail to take into account that it would make no commercial sense to issue a CD in a different order to the dvd.
Never mind that fact that as I said only a hand full of 'fans' will worry about it.
But if anyone is proving themself to be an arse it is you with your whinge to Brian
Never mind that fact that as I said only a hand full of 'fans' will worry about it.
But if anyone is proving themself to be an arse it is you with your whinge to Brian
Togg,
>>I read your post carefully,
No, you didn't as you STILL seem not to have noticed that I am nat linking the CD release to the DVD release.
>>and you seem to fail to take into account that it would make no commercial sense to issue a CD in a different order to the dvd.
It doesn't make commercial sense to release something that can be found to have umpteen flaws in it.
The CD is not being marketed as "The Soundtrack To The Film Queen Rocks Montreal" and, therefore, anyone with an ounce of sense will see that they are separate entities. The only reference to the DVD is a small not on the inside of the booklet, refering to is as "also available".
Also, due to the fact that they are available on separate media, the CD and the DVD will also be looked at by different markets in terms of whose going to buy what, so someone loving the music, but not necesarily the visuals would have no interest in whether Fred wore trousers, shorts or a fucking skirt......
Queen Audiophile: "Hmmm, I wonder why they played JR after CLTCL at Montreal when they never did at any other show.......?"
QPL: "Aah, Freddie was wearing trousers at one show and then decided to play games with the director of the film and wear shorts the next night. Wasn't he a clever boy!"
QA: "But the Queen Concerts website and the Concert File both say that JR was played as an encore. Which is correct?"
QPL: "See the answer to the first question"
QA: "But the sound of the audience on the CD really makes me think that they'd been through a great energy number like SHA, so it just doesn't sound right after CLTCL"
QPL: "Freddie was wearing shorts though - it wouldn't look right"
QA: "But I'm talking about the CD, not the DVD"
QPL: "We had to make it look like a real show on the DVD"
QA: "But wasn't it advertised originally and explained by Brian as having been cobbled together in the first place from two nights in Montreal?"
QPL: "Ummmm.....errrr......yes, but Freddie was wearing trousers at the first show and shorts at the second.......or was it the other way round? Where's Saul Swimmer......!!!!!"
QA: "So a CD has been released that's like a jigsaw of a gig. Isn't thst a bit like what happened with 'Live Killers'?"
QPL: "Yes"
QA: "But they managed to keep roughly the same running order on that release"
QPL: "Freddie was wearing shorts on the DVD, so it's been edited to reflect that"
QA: "Are you listening at all to me QPL?"
QPL: "Hands in the air and sing......"We will, we will, rock you"
QA: "Hello!?"
QPL: "Tickets for the musical are on a 2-for-1 offer!"
QA: "Sheesh!"
>>I read your post carefully,
No, you didn't as you STILL seem not to have noticed that I am nat linking the CD release to the DVD release.
>>and you seem to fail to take into account that it would make no commercial sense to issue a CD in a different order to the dvd.
It doesn't make commercial sense to release something that can be found to have umpteen flaws in it.
The CD is not being marketed as "The Soundtrack To The Film Queen Rocks Montreal" and, therefore, anyone with an ounce of sense will see that they are separate entities. The only reference to the DVD is a small not on the inside of the booklet, refering to is as "also available".
Also, due to the fact that they are available on separate media, the CD and the DVD will also be looked at by different markets in terms of whose going to buy what, so someone loving the music, but not necesarily the visuals would have no interest in whether Fred wore trousers, shorts or a fucking skirt......
Queen Audiophile: "Hmmm, I wonder why they played JR after CLTCL at Montreal when they never did at any other show.......?"
QPL: "Aah, Freddie was wearing trousers at one show and then decided to play games with the director of the film and wear shorts the next night. Wasn't he a clever boy!"
QA: "But the Queen Concerts website and the Concert File both say that JR was played as an encore. Which is correct?"
QPL: "See the answer to the first question"
QA: "But the sound of the audience on the CD really makes me think that they'd been through a great energy number like SHA, so it just doesn't sound right after CLTCL"
QPL: "Freddie was wearing shorts though - it wouldn't look right"
QA: "But I'm talking about the CD, not the DVD"
QPL: "We had to make it look like a real show on the DVD"
QA: "But wasn't it advertised originally and explained by Brian as having been cobbled together in the first place from two nights in Montreal?"
QPL: "Ummmm.....errrr......yes, but Freddie was wearing trousers at the first show and shorts at the second.......or was it the other way round? Where's Saul Swimmer......!!!!!"
QA: "So a CD has been released that's like a jigsaw of a gig. Isn't thst a bit like what happened with 'Live Killers'?"
QPL: "Yes"
QA: "But they managed to keep roughly the same running order on that release"
QPL: "Freddie was wearing shorts on the DVD, so it's been edited to reflect that"
QA: "Are you listening at all to me QPL?"
QPL: "Hands in the air and sing......"We will, we will, rock you"
QA: "Hello!?"
QPL: "Tickets for the musical are on a 2-for-1 offer!"
QA: "Sheesh!"
LOL @ Benn :)
There are liner notes where different pants can be explained and the concert can still have the correct set list. For example the Cream concert in the Royal Albert Hall 2005 was compiled of 2 nights and in the liner notes each song has a date, so the viewer knows when each song was performed. While watching the show I always forget about the 2 nights but I am fully informed about the correct source.
Now it's too late, anyway but it's obvious that the history of this product makes people look more critical than ever before.
There are liner notes where different pants can be explained and the concert can still have the correct set list. For example the Cream concert in the Royal Albert Hall 2005 was compiled of 2 nights and in the liner notes each song has a date, so the viewer knows when each song was performed. While watching the show I always forget about the 2 nights but I am fully informed about the correct source.
Now it's too late, anyway but it's obvious that the history of this product makes people look more critical than ever before.
Yawn.... I think you are getting a little obsessive about this!
Togg,
And you aren't? Your posting in MULTIPLE threads about this whilst making exactly the same point......
And you aren't? Your posting in MULTIPLE threads about this whilst making exactly the same point......
YourValentine.
"Different pants"? I'd love to think that was a deliberate slip of the keyboard :-)))))))))
But you're right. 'Live Killers' was from multiple nights of a tour and presented with no further explanation. Regardless of the overdubs etc, we'r just told that the album represents that period in time.
We already knew which two shows QRM came from, so I really don't think it's too much to ask to have the setlist reflect what was played.
And including 'Flash' and 'The Hero', why not just tack them on at the end of disc 2 after a suitable pause to denote them as the "Bonus Tracks" they are purported to be as opposed to inserting them in THE RIGHT PLACE........
I swear that, one day, QPL wil release something that's flawless.
<<Hides behind his hand in shame for even entertaining the idea!>>
"Different pants"? I'd love to think that was a deliberate slip of the keyboard :-)))))))))
But you're right. 'Live Killers' was from multiple nights of a tour and presented with no further explanation. Regardless of the overdubs etc, we'r just told that the album represents that period in time.
We already knew which two shows QRM came from, so I really don't think it's too much to ask to have the setlist reflect what was played.
And including 'Flash' and 'The Hero', why not just tack them on at the end of disc 2 after a suitable pause to denote them as the "Bonus Tracks" they are purported to be as opposed to inserting them in THE RIGHT PLACE........
I swear that, one day, QPL wil release something that's flawless.
<<Hides behind his hand in shame for even entertaining the idea!>>
What's wrong with the pants? I am a foreigner...
Why not Jailhouse Rock before SHA? Problem solved...far more representative, no continuity error