Holly2003, re:
>>Jeez, you've got my number, you're after my isp address, the least you could do is a little terroristic threatening.
I'd never get past the guards on your cell door.
More chance of getting a response out of Brian than fooling the security at your mental hospital.
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Adam, re:
>>Have you not thought that maybe, just maybe, it makes no sense for them to waste money to fix such a minor issue. One of which has gotten through because, well, to them it's not an error.
You're right in all you say, but, the wider picture here is that as time goes on, *EVERY RELEASE* the comes along has errors that are easily avoidable.
The longer it goes on, the more they become obvious and the more ridiculous they are. It all started for me with the ridiculous captions that accompanied some of the footage on "The Magic Years" and, lo and behold, the SAME errors were to be found on "Rare Live" and then "Champions Of The World".
The Hollywood Remasters are still available in the USA with countless mastering and sequencing errors and this is the band's bread and butter in the USA.....
No one there cares about the accuracy of the product. And too few care here in the fan community or are prepared to voice their concerns.
QRM is, unfortunately, the latest release to feature an easily avoidable and fixable error.
>>Have you not thought that maybe, just maybe, it makes no sense for them to waste money to fix such a minor issue. One of which has gotten through because, well, to them it's not an error.
You're right in all you say, but, the wider picture here is that as time goes on, *EVERY RELEASE* the comes along has errors that are easily avoidable.
The longer it goes on, the more they become obvious and the more ridiculous they are. It all started for me with the ridiculous captions that accompanied some of the footage on "The Magic Years" and, lo and behold, the SAME errors were to be found on "Rare Live" and then "Champions Of The World".
The Hollywood Remasters are still available in the USA with countless mastering and sequencing errors and this is the band's bread and butter in the USA.....
No one there cares about the accuracy of the product. And too few care here in the fan community or are prepared to voice their concerns.
QRM is, unfortunately, the latest release to feature an easily avoidable and fixable error.
Benn, there are apologists who enable the Queen machine to function in the manner it has for years. In Canada, hockey is the big sport. The Toronto Maple Leafs are one of the two big Canadian teams with a great history (think Manchester United or Dallas Cowboys type of popular.) They are currently imploding from a management crisis that is comical. Columnists know the score, which is, everyone who goes to the game (and every game is always a sellout) or buys merchandise enables the Leafs to suck, because they have been bad for 40 years and management has no impetus to change because the cash register is full. To bring that back to the Queen world, the people who lash out at you are the people who buy everything, make excuses for errors and enable QP to sell us the same thing time and time again. Call them Stepfords or lemmings, but as long as you're looked at as a nuisance fan instead of a passionate fan who wants quality, why would QP have to change? You're in the minority, fuck quality.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Benn, there are apologists who enable the Queen machine to function in the manner it has for years. In Canada, hockey is the big sport. The Toronto Maple Leafs are one of the two big Canadian teams with a great history (think Manchester United or Dallas Cowboys type of popular.) They are currently imploding from a management crisis that is comical. Columnists know the score, which is, everyone who goes to the game (and every game is always a sellout) or buys merchandise enables the Leafs to suck, because they have been bad for 40 years and management has no impetus to change because the cash register is full. To bring that back to the Queen world, the people who lash out at you are the people who buy everything, make excuses for errors and enable QP to sell us the same thing time and time again. Call them Stepfords or lemmings, but as long as you're looked at as a nuisance fan instead of a passionate fan who wants quality, why would QP have to change? You're in the minority, fuck quality.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. Is it so wrong to want a product, that we've been assured is the definitive release from his particular show, with the correct running order? Recently, the band have started to release live albums that claim to feature complete shows, but when we get them, there are little bits edited out: from Milton Keynes, that whole "It's just a record, no reason to get excited about it!" spiel that Freddie gives prior to Staying Power. Why was that omitted? I can understand why the embarrassing moments during Brian's guitar solo when his lead fell out of the guitar were cut, but Freddie's banter was fun and should have been there. I'm sure people complained and were told to shut up, because it's just a few seconds, you're not buying it for those few seconds, are you?!
Well, actually, some people buy it for the complete and correct show, so having those few moments cut from Staying Power, or having Jailhouse Rock in the wrong place may seem pedantic on the outside, but for a band who prided themselves on quality control, this is a rather shitty way of handling their product. Sure, only a few diehard fans may notice it in the long-run, and it won't affect sales at all, but this isn't arguing for the sake of arguing; it's a legitimate and valid point, and the fact that Brian, the only outlet that fans have to communicate with, is basically turning his back to the whole issue because it's not in tandem with what he wants to discuss on his website is just appalling.
I agree with this. Is it so wrong to want a product, that we've been assured is the definitive release from his particular show, with the correct running order? Recently, the band have started to release live albums that claim to feature complete shows, but when we get them, there are little bits edited out: from Milton Keynes, that whole "It's just a record, no reason to get excited about it!" spiel that Freddie gives prior to Staying Power. Why was that omitted? I can understand why the embarrassing moments during Brian's guitar solo when his lead fell out of the guitar were cut, but Freddie's banter was fun and should have been there. I'm sure people complained and were told to shut up, because it's just a few seconds, you're not buying it for those few seconds, are you?!
Well, actually, some people buy it for the complete and correct show, so having those few moments cut from Staying Power, or having Jailhouse Rock in the wrong place may seem pedantic on the outside, but for a band who prided themselves on quality control, this is a rather shitty way of handling their product. Sure, only a few diehard fans may notice it in the long-run, and it won't affect sales at all, but this isn't arguing for the sake of arguing; it's a legitimate and valid point, and the fact that Brian, the only outlet that fans have to communicate with, is basically turning his back to the whole issue because it's not in tandem with what he wants to discuss on his website is just appalling.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're in the minority, fuck quality.[/QUOTE]
Quality?? Is that what moving one song to the very end of the show means, does it? Wow, what a difference that makes! It's like a whole new record now...not.
I'm sick of being called a, "this" or "that" fan. Our opinions on this matter differ. Why does it have to come down to some stupid remark about being a "casual fan" who (apparently) doesn't seem to care about quality.
Sorry, but in this one case there is no real quality concern. It is my opinion that when a dvd and cd set are released, at all costs, they are supposed to mirror each other. It's the norm. So, when it's impossible to edit together a video to show how something actually was on the night(s), all related releases (i.e. the cd) must adhere to the same running that is forced onto the dvd. Simple rules.
Now, I'm sure that if they'd had the original negatives, and that some loon hadn't gotten rid of them, QP would've thought about editing it into the right place. But it just wasn't possible. Even further, to me, a true Stepford has trouble blaming Freddie for anything. And let's face it, this whole thread wouldn't even exist if Freddie had just played along with the whole "costume" thing. I love that Freddie did it, though! Just a shame that because of it, a thread like this is born. Even more sad is that apparently it's not Freddie's fault, no...it's QP and Brian's fault for not changing the cd to reflect the night's set list.
It's the thought that counts, eh..? Apparently not.
Adam.
EDIT: I accept your opinion on this, but I'm just showing the reality of the situation. Nothing more.
Quality?? Is that what moving one song to the very end of the show means, does it? Wow, what a difference that makes! It's like a whole new record now...not.
I'm sick of being called a, "this" or "that" fan. Our opinions on this matter differ. Why does it have to come down to some stupid remark about being a "casual fan" who (apparently) doesn't seem to care about quality.
Sorry, but in this one case there is no real quality concern. It is my opinion that when a dvd and cd set are released, at all costs, they are supposed to mirror each other. It's the norm. So, when it's impossible to edit together a video to show how something actually was on the night(s), all related releases (i.e. the cd) must adhere to the same running that is forced onto the dvd. Simple rules.
Now, I'm sure that if they'd had the original negatives, and that some loon hadn't gotten rid of them, QP would've thought about editing it into the right place. But it just wasn't possible. Even further, to me, a true Stepford has trouble blaming Freddie for anything. And let's face it, this whole thread wouldn't even exist if Freddie had just played along with the whole "costume" thing. I love that Freddie did it, though! Just a shame that because of it, a thread like this is born. Even more sad is that apparently it's not Freddie's fault, no...it's QP and Brian's fault for not changing the cd to reflect the night's set list.
It's the thought that counts, eh..? Apparently not.
Adam.
EDIT: I accept your opinion on this, but I'm just showing the reality of the situation. Nothing more.
Adam, Benn asked a question to Brian's website to find out about running order for what BRIAN MAY!!! said was the definitive release of the Montreal concert. To you, running order obviously isn't an issue. To Benn it is, to others it is, and if you change running order, it is obviusuly not definitive. If Benn's an obsessive idiot, he can take solace in the fact that he is factually correct obsessive idiot. So don't become the sole arbiter of what quality is or isn't.
Further, you aren't old enough to even know of what Queen stood for as a band pre-1985, so when people who know what Queen stood for regarding quality releases in the early years, and how abysmal they've become, they are more credible in their knowledge than you. Queen wanted to be like Zeppelin and the Beatles. They've turned into Garth Brooks and Madonna. They're all about product, and yes, fuck quality. The Hollywood catalogue should have never seen the light of day until all sound errors, missing sections, etc. were corrected. What's that? Oh right, they had to be launched around the time of Freddie's death! Better to put flawed product on the market to maximize sales than excellent product that isn't ready for Christmas. That pisses true fans off. Casual fans don't care as long as they have the music. It doesn't make me or Benn or Lester better fans or people, but we care more than the average person. Please allow us to care how we would like to.
Also, if it's your opinion that when a dvd and cd set are released, at all costs, they are supposed to mirror each other, and it's the norm, perhaps it's Benn's idea that "definitive" is "definitive", not arbitrary. That's his original point. Is he wrong?
Honestly Adam, I think you believe you're more knowledgeable than anyone here on every topic. You pass comment on virtually every fan mix that hits the board, and generally you don't like much of anything from a sound or mixing perspective, and these people are amateurs. Yet whne people have legitimate complaints about a multi million selling band that cuts corners in quality, you lash out at them because they're complaints aren't valid in your eyes. Weird.
Further, you aren't old enough to even know of what Queen stood for as a band pre-1985, so when people who know what Queen stood for regarding quality releases in the early years, and how abysmal they've become, they are more credible in their knowledge than you. Queen wanted to be like Zeppelin and the Beatles. They've turned into Garth Brooks and Madonna. They're all about product, and yes, fuck quality. The Hollywood catalogue should have never seen the light of day until all sound errors, missing sections, etc. were corrected. What's that? Oh right, they had to be launched around the time of Freddie's death! Better to put flawed product on the market to maximize sales than excellent product that isn't ready for Christmas. That pisses true fans off. Casual fans don't care as long as they have the music. It doesn't make me or Benn or Lester better fans or people, but we care more than the average person. Please allow us to care how we would like to.
Also, if it's your opinion that when a dvd and cd set are released, at all costs, they are supposed to mirror each other, and it's the norm, perhaps it's Benn's idea that "definitive" is "definitive", not arbitrary. That's his original point. Is he wrong?
Honestly Adam, I think you believe you're more knowledgeable than anyone here on every topic. You pass comment on virtually every fan mix that hits the board, and generally you don't like much of anything from a sound or mixing perspective, and these people are amateurs. Yet whne people have legitimate complaints about a multi million selling band that cuts corners in quality, you lash out at them because they're complaints aren't valid in your eyes. Weird.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To you, running order obviously isn't an issue. To Benn it is, to others it is, and if you change running order, it is obviusuly not definitive.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I said it was a good thing that we knew the actual running order. But in this release, it makes sense where it has been placed. As I've already pointed out, QP didn't put Jailhouse Rock where it is. And it would appear that they seem to think it can't be moved because of the same continuity reasons brought about by Freddie's antics. A logical approach is taken where the lesser evil is taken on, i.e. set list modified to keep visual continuity. Like it or not, that's the way these things work. So, it comes down to perception of what one person's quality is to the next person. Hence the disagreement here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If Benn's an obsessive idiot, he can take solace in the fact that he is factually correct obsessive idiot. So don't become the sole arbiter of what quality is or isn't.[/QUOTE]
First, I call Benn no names. I certainly wouldn't call him an obsessive idiot. Although, the amount of emails and postings to Jen shown in this thread is a bit disconcerting. And of course, no-one is questioning whether he's right or wrong. He's clearly correct in that JR comes after SHA. It's a fact that we are all clear on.
And lastly, I didn't bring up the quality argument. I am merely explaining the way that QP and Eagle thought when putting together this show. I do share the way they've done it because it's the way I would edit it together, e.g. somewhere where visually it all seems to fit and work.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Further, you aren't old enough to even know of what Queen stood for as a band pre-1985, so when people who know what Queen stood for regarding quality releases in the early years, and how abysmal they've become, they are more credible in their knowledge than you.[/QUOTE]
In-smegging-credible... So, because I'm young, that means I don't have a clue. Thanks for yet another insult. Notice how I don't call you or Benn names, whereas you do and also put people here into categories like "True fan", "Casual fan", "Stepfords", etc. etc. Things are not so black and white.
As far as I'm concerned one's age is irrelevant because there are plenty of people and material to get a good idea of the band. I won't go any further on this point because I think it's just ridiculous.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Casual fans don't care as long as they have the music. It doesn't make me or Benn or Lester better fans or people, but we care more than the average person. Please allow us to care how we would like to.[/QUOTE]
There you go again, name tags. I also like that, in your way of thinking, the casual fan likes to have the music, plain and simple!
Also, in reference to the errors on certain HR cd's, I agree they should be fixed. But I'm not gonna let it stop me enjoying the music. That doesn't mean I don't care, now does it? In fact, if you look back, you'll find that I'm a great admirer of the older remasters, rather than the cruddy 2001 versions. So you see, I do care and have reviewed some 2001 remasters to show others what I've heard in them compared to...HR and UK remasters!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Honestly Adam, I think you believe you're more knowledgeable than anyone here on every topic.[/QUOTE]
Oh please - Yeah right! I pass comment when I like to add my 2 cents, just as everyone else does. I certainly don't think I'm anywhere near as knowledgeable as the next Queen fan here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You pass comment on virtually every fan mix that hits the board, and generally you don't like much of anything from a sound or mixing perspective, and these people are amateurs.[/QUOTE]
lol You're ve
Actually, I said it was a good thing that we knew the actual running order. But in this release, it makes sense where it has been placed. As I've already pointed out, QP didn't put Jailhouse Rock where it is. And it would appear that they seem to think it can't be moved because of the same continuity reasons brought about by Freddie's antics. A logical approach is taken where the lesser evil is taken on, i.e. set list modified to keep visual continuity. Like it or not, that's the way these things work. So, it comes down to perception of what one person's quality is to the next person. Hence the disagreement here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If Benn's an obsessive idiot, he can take solace in the fact that he is factually correct obsessive idiot. So don't become the sole arbiter of what quality is or isn't.[/QUOTE]
First, I call Benn no names. I certainly wouldn't call him an obsessive idiot. Although, the amount of emails and postings to Jen shown in this thread is a bit disconcerting. And of course, no-one is questioning whether he's right or wrong. He's clearly correct in that JR comes after SHA. It's a fact that we are all clear on.
And lastly, I didn't bring up the quality argument. I am merely explaining the way that QP and Eagle thought when putting together this show. I do share the way they've done it because it's the way I would edit it together, e.g. somewhere where visually it all seems to fit and work.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Further, you aren't old enough to even know of what Queen stood for as a band pre-1985, so when people who know what Queen stood for regarding quality releases in the early years, and how abysmal they've become, they are more credible in their knowledge than you.[/QUOTE]
In-smegging-credible... So, because I'm young, that means I don't have a clue. Thanks for yet another insult. Notice how I don't call you or Benn names, whereas you do and also put people here into categories like "True fan", "Casual fan", "Stepfords", etc. etc. Things are not so black and white.
As far as I'm concerned one's age is irrelevant because there are plenty of people and material to get a good idea of the band. I won't go any further on this point because I think it's just ridiculous.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Casual fans don't care as long as they have the music. It doesn't make me or Benn or Lester better fans or people, but we care more than the average person. Please allow us to care how we would like to.[/QUOTE]
There you go again, name tags. I also like that, in your way of thinking, the casual fan likes to have the music, plain and simple!
Also, in reference to the errors on certain HR cd's, I agree they should be fixed. But I'm not gonna let it stop me enjoying the music. That doesn't mean I don't care, now does it? In fact, if you look back, you'll find that I'm a great admirer of the older remasters, rather than the cruddy 2001 versions. So you see, I do care and have reviewed some 2001 remasters to show others what I've heard in them compared to...HR and UK remasters!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Honestly Adam, I think you believe you're more knowledgeable than anyone here on every topic.[/QUOTE]
Oh please - Yeah right! I pass comment when I like to add my 2 cents, just as everyone else does. I certainly don't think I'm anywhere near as knowledgeable as the next Queen fan here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You pass comment on virtually every fan mix that hits the board, and generally you don't like much of anything from a sound or mixing perspective, and these people are amateurs.[/QUOTE]
lol You're ve
Am I the only one who thinks that Jailhouse Rock works nicely as a quick, rockier energy number before Bohemian Rhapsody than the big, climactic Crazy Little Thing does?
Adam, I've posted on here countless times that you're one of the more knowledgeable posters here. However, your history is not liking dissenting opinions. My posts are well thought out, and have been validated with positive comments by people like Lester, Benn and John Stuart. Further, I am not being smug, I am stating a fact that at your age, you CAN'T know what Queen was like in the quality control department unless you were the world's smartest 4 year old, as I'll guess you're mid 20s. So, for those of us who have witnessed the demise of the overall quality of Queen products, it saddens us. You may have become a fan when Queen cared less. But as someone familiar with the catalogue since the 70s, I will tell you that Queen's standards were of the highest order. Again, Roger said the cover of Queen Rocks looked like someone vomited on it. ROTC was arguably one of the worst covers ever, one of the few things Queen fans agree on. The constant licencing and re-licencing of songs for commercials and movies cheapens the brand. I could go on.
You're on your way (and since you'll deem this smug or arrogant, I mean it positively) to making a career as an artist. I have your version of My life has been saved on my iPod, and I enjoy playing guitar to it. I don't question your ability or your choices of instruments, and I don't question why Queen did Hot Space or got funky, because they're artists and they make choices good or bad. But, Queen Productions are selling product that is flawed and virtually every time before a release you say "wait until it arrives" before criticizing, then it turns out awful, and it appears that you get indignant with people like Benn for pointing out after a release that it turned out to be shit after all.
Finally, I know nothing about you. You have opinions, which I think are great, others do to, and we all can disagree. But you've commented (I know all!) a few times recently about why people are going after you, and I've never said YOU were a casual fan, but you've posted twice in this thread that YOU resent being called a casual fan. If you weren't being selective in what you read, I've stated that being a long term fan doesn't make me any more or less of a fan than someone who discovered Queen last year. And that goes for being a casual fan. I want liner notes, good cover art, songs that are complete and not butchered and proper sound quality. A casual fan doesn't care about any of that as long as WWRY and Radio Ga Ga are on it. That's not an insult, it's a fact of life. Let's move on.
You're on your way (and since you'll deem this smug or arrogant, I mean it positively) to making a career as an artist. I have your version of My life has been saved on my iPod, and I enjoy playing guitar to it. I don't question your ability or your choices of instruments, and I don't question why Queen did Hot Space or got funky, because they're artists and they make choices good or bad. But, Queen Productions are selling product that is flawed and virtually every time before a release you say "wait until it arrives" before criticizing, then it turns out awful, and it appears that you get indignant with people like Benn for pointing out after a release that it turned out to be shit after all.
Finally, I know nothing about you. You have opinions, which I think are great, others do to, and we all can disagree. But you've commented (I know all!) a few times recently about why people are going after you, and I've never said YOU were a casual fan, but you've posted twice in this thread that YOU resent being called a casual fan. If you weren't being selective in what you read, I've stated that being a long term fan doesn't make me any more or less of a fan than someone who discovered Queen last year. And that goes for being a casual fan. I want liner notes, good cover art, songs that are complete and not butchered and proper sound quality. A casual fan doesn't care about any of that as long as WWRY and Radio Ga Ga are on it. That's not an insult, it's a fact of life. Let's move on.
Reading all this has been akin to listening to Trekkies argue. Let's just agree that everybody's dick is equally big and move on, kids.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr Faron Hyte wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Reading all this has been akin to listening to Trekkies argue.[/QUOTE]... well, what's wrong with Trekkies and their discussions, now...? :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
Adam, re:
>>when a dvd and cd set are released, at all costs, they are supposed to mirror each other. It's the norm.
Incorrect. Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders From Mars are different. The Stones' Rock And Roll Circus & 40 Licks are different. Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs And Englishmen film and CD are different. There's no reason on earth why they SHOULD be the same a they will never be played together at the same time, unless, of course, the soundtrack to the film is badly mixed / mastered. They serve different purposes for the viewer and listener at different times.
What's more, they weren't released as a "set" which implies they are purchased together. Plenty of people will only have one or the other for the reasons above.
>>Now, I'm sure that if they'd had the original negatives, and that some loon hadn't gotten rid of them,
For christ's sake. If you like, I'll call you as well as that other guy to explain if you like.....?
FORGET that there was EVER a film of the shows. My line of enquiry surrounds the ******CD****** release of the show. The fact that Freddie changed his clothes has no bearing on the *AUDIO ALONE* and is why "Jailhouse Rock" being where it is on the ******CD****** release is such a glaring error.
Have a look at the recent re-issue of Zep's "Songe Remains" soundtrack. No wierd insertions of songs in the wrong place there and a decidedly *AVERAGE" Zep show appears as THE definitive version. QPL qould now have to re-issue QRM on CD in order for it to be definitive, which this release already falsely claims to be.
>>when a dvd and cd set are released, at all costs, they are supposed to mirror each other. It's the norm.
Incorrect. Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders From Mars are different. The Stones' Rock And Roll Circus & 40 Licks are different. Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs And Englishmen film and CD are different. There's no reason on earth why they SHOULD be the same a they will never be played together at the same time, unless, of course, the soundtrack to the film is badly mixed / mastered. They serve different purposes for the viewer and listener at different times.
What's more, they weren't released as a "set" which implies they are purchased together. Plenty of people will only have one or the other for the reasons above.
>>Now, I'm sure that if they'd had the original negatives, and that some loon hadn't gotten rid of them,
For christ's sake. If you like, I'll call you as well as that other guy to explain if you like.....?
FORGET that there was EVER a film of the shows. My line of enquiry surrounds the ******CD****** release of the show. The fact that Freddie changed his clothes has no bearing on the *AUDIO ALONE* and is why "Jailhouse Rock" being where it is on the ******CD****** release is such a glaring error.
Have a look at the recent re-issue of Zep's "Songe Remains" soundtrack. No wierd insertions of songs in the wrong place there and a decidedly *AVERAGE" Zep show appears as THE definitive version. QPL qould now have to re-issue QRM on CD in order for it to be definitive, which this release already falsely claims to be.
BTR, re:
>>They're all about product, and yes, fuck quality.
I remember receiving my copy of the FM Collection box set.
I'd had an original CD copy of "Mr. Bad Guy", but traded it with someone for something else in 1990. I'd been SO excited that I could FINALLY upgrade my decidedly dodgy cassette copy of "Mr Bad Guy" and wouldn't have to hunt around for a version of it on CD that didn't cost £100.00 any longer. I opened the bok, was stunned at the presentation of it all. Opened the book and thumbed through the pages - suddenly, I came across 8 full pages where the printing had caused the pages to crease and fold in on themselves - they also hadn't been trimmed properly and it appeared that someone at the plant had decided to simply fold them up and move on.
I threw the fucking thing at the wall in absolute rage that such a high price could be charged and yet STILL have absolutely no care taken over what was sent out. I believe four or five other people in the UK also had the same problem. I took my copy back to the shop I bought it from and the guy there was equally shocked to see what it contained, given the price tag - he himself was going to buy a copy as it looked such a quality package even though he wasn't really a Queen / Freddie fan, but decided to wait until he received a few more copies through the shop. I eventually got a replacement, after Parlophone originally claimed that me throwing it against the wall created more damage than was done at the manufacturing stage - after two months thet accepted that my reaction was ONLY caused by the fact that they had manufactured defective product and I received a copy which had been printed correctly.
Contrast this wil the joy with which I received my first Queen album, aged 8 - "Jazz", replete with the poster that my parents new nothing about for a further 10 years. Wonderful cover that you could stare at and lose yourself in. Picture of the band in the rehearsal studio and trying to pick out something new in the background each time I opened it. John's bass sound on "If You Can't Beat Them". The sound of "Let Me Entertain You", the montage of tracks during "More of That Jazz". A rich, driving rock sound all the way through from start to finish. All of this because "Bicycle Race" contained a line about Star wars and an older friend of mine though I'd be incensed by it.
It's been disaster after disaster in terms of quality since Freddie died - as soon as the creative backbone of the band was no more, the vultures descended in order to try to drain peolpe of as much money for worse value than would have been allowed had Freddie still been alive.
And, whether you care enough to complain or not, it's US taking the brunt of it.
>>They're all about product, and yes, fuck quality.
I remember receiving my copy of the FM Collection box set.
I'd had an original CD copy of "Mr. Bad Guy", but traded it with someone for something else in 1990. I'd been SO excited that I could FINALLY upgrade my decidedly dodgy cassette copy of "Mr Bad Guy" and wouldn't have to hunt around for a version of it on CD that didn't cost £100.00 any longer. I opened the bok, was stunned at the presentation of it all. Opened the book and thumbed through the pages - suddenly, I came across 8 full pages where the printing had caused the pages to crease and fold in on themselves - they also hadn't been trimmed properly and it appeared that someone at the plant had decided to simply fold them up and move on.
I threw the fucking thing at the wall in absolute rage that such a high price could be charged and yet STILL have absolutely no care taken over what was sent out. I believe four or five other people in the UK also had the same problem. I took my copy back to the shop I bought it from and the guy there was equally shocked to see what it contained, given the price tag - he himself was going to buy a copy as it looked such a quality package even though he wasn't really a Queen / Freddie fan, but decided to wait until he received a few more copies through the shop. I eventually got a replacement, after Parlophone originally claimed that me throwing it against the wall created more damage than was done at the manufacturing stage - after two months thet accepted that my reaction was ONLY caused by the fact that they had manufactured defective product and I received a copy which had been printed correctly.
Contrast this wil the joy with which I received my first Queen album, aged 8 - "Jazz", replete with the poster that my parents new nothing about for a further 10 years. Wonderful cover that you could stare at and lose yourself in. Picture of the band in the rehearsal studio and trying to pick out something new in the background each time I opened it. John's bass sound on "If You Can't Beat Them". The sound of "Let Me Entertain You", the montage of tracks during "More of That Jazz". A rich, driving rock sound all the way through from start to finish. All of this because "Bicycle Race" contained a line about Star wars and an older friend of mine though I'd be incensed by it.
It's been disaster after disaster in terms of quality since Freddie died - as soon as the creative backbone of the band was no more, the vultures descended in order to try to drain peolpe of as much money for worse value than would have been allowed had Freddie still been alive.
And, whether you care enough to complain or not, it's US taking the brunt of it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Benn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]BTR, re:
I threw the fucking thing at the wall in absolute rage that such a high price could be charged and yet STILL have absolutely no care taken over what was sent out. I believe four or five other people in the UK also had the same problem. [/QUOTE]
I agree with you on some points, but claiming the FM Solo Collection was a crap release is just plain nonsense. I too had a wrong copy (Rarities 1 played Rarities 3), but that's just technical stuff - you can't blame QP for a fault at the book binding factory in (I believe) Italy.
I threw the fucking thing at the wall in absolute rage that such a high price could be charged and yet STILL have absolutely no care taken over what was sent out. I believe four or five other people in the UK also had the same problem. [/QUOTE]
I agree with you on some points, but claiming the FM Solo Collection was a crap release is just plain nonsense. I too had a wrong copy (Rarities 1 played Rarities 3), but that's just technical stuff - you can't blame QP for a fault at the book binding factory in (I believe) Italy.
Pim, re:
>>I agree with you on some points, but claiming the FM Solo Collection was a crap release is just plain nonsense.
I didn't "claim" that it was a crap release. You've assumed that I *think* it was a crap release. I don't and it isn't, although there are errors an omissions, again, that could have been fixed before it was released.
>>I too had a wrong copy (Rarities 1 played Rarities 3), but that's just technical stuff - you can't blame QP for a fault at the book binding factory in (I believe) Italy.
You and I can. QPL's & Parlophone's reputations rest on the quality of the manufacture of their goods, just as any other company does. SURELY, the binders would have has someone in charge of quality control prior to dispatch, given the value ond profile of what they were making? Despite there beling a clear fault with the product, they tried *initially* to get out of giving me a new copy by claiming it was my fault. Clearly not the case.
After shelling out all that cash on the set, were you accepting of the fact that Rarities 1 played Rarities 3? Were you not cross that what you'd received was poorly made?
>>I agree with you on some points, but claiming the FM Solo Collection was a crap release is just plain nonsense.
I didn't "claim" that it was a crap release. You've assumed that I *think* it was a crap release. I don't and it isn't, although there are errors an omissions, again, that could have been fixed before it was released.
>>I too had a wrong copy (Rarities 1 played Rarities 3), but that's just technical stuff - you can't blame QP for a fault at the book binding factory in (I believe) Italy.
You and I can. QPL's & Parlophone's reputations rest on the quality of the manufacture of their goods, just as any other company does. SURELY, the binders would have has someone in charge of quality control prior to dispatch, given the value ond profile of what they were making? Despite there beling a clear fault with the product, they tried *initially* to get out of giving me a new copy by claiming it was my fault. Clearly not the case.
After shelling out all that cash on the set, were you accepting of the fact that Rarities 1 played Rarities 3? Were you not cross that what you'd received was poorly made?