[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JoxerTheBirthdayBoyPirate wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]she loves to swallow white thing [/QUOTE]
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JoxerTheBirthdayBoyPirate wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]she loves to swallow white thing [/QUOTE]
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D[/QUOTE]
You know someone who's a whore? XDDDD
Oh la la. XDDD
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D[/QUOTE]
You know someone who's a whore? XDDDD
Oh la la. XDDD
So far for the factors I have that under Catholicisim, Elizabeth was illigitamet and not the rightful heir, she was brought up Protestant, people were wary of Catholicism due to Mary I of England and her ruthlessness and England needed relgious stability and not to be dependant on forigen powers like the Pope and Philip of Spain.
Not too bad actually!! There are just a few connectors missing (that I'm sure you have in there already). Here is what I would add if it were me:
1) Political unity in a country torn by strife: My 2nd Plan B paper is about the political ramifications of religion and truth, but that paper focuses on France. However, the same thing applies to England. When Elizabeth took the throne, the country was not only torn apart by the policies and practices of Mary, but it was politically torn apart. We are before a time when people are making a distinct line between secular and sacred truth. Catholic nobles and Protestant nobles were at eachother's throats, not only for who should be on the throne (since a woman was NEVER the fit answer according to them) but also just the everyday running and advising of the monarch, plus the Parliament. Both sides were girding up their followers, and civil war was going to be the inevitable result of unity was not achieved. Elizabeth, the consummate politician, knew this, and thus took steps to ensure unity.
2) Distrust of foreigners: And this means everyone...not just the French they are famous for distrusting. Seeds of this can be seen in the marriage of Mary to Philip of Spain, where it was specifically crafted so that he could in no way inherit the throne even if she died. There was an intense distrust of foreign powers. One didn't have to look any farther than the foreign policy of Henry VIII to see how a network of alliances could and often did draw you into conflicts you didn't want to be a part of, not to mention how fragile alliances were. Add to that a big dose of ego, and we have the makings for near paranoia of foreigners. Elizabeth knew that she had to make strategic alliances that would help England build power, but once that power was build she had NO intention of sharing. Why do you think her marriage choices always faced such scrutiny? Of course, she outwitted them in the end, which is one reason I love her!
One caveat to what you have: While saying she was raised Protestant is technically correct, be careful with the implication that she was devoutly Protestant. Protestantism at this time was basically Catholicism without the Pope. Her mother had Protestant tendencies, and she herself was raised in a Protestant sympathetic house, but that doesn't mean she was devout. She was more than willing (and did during periods of paranoia Mary had) to attend Mass, confession and such; pretending to be a Catholic. She was a pragmatist; there is a famous quote from her around the time of the Act of Unity where she said that she had "No desire to make windows into men's souls." by which she meant that she didn't expect Catholics to change their beliefs if the act passed--outward conformity would be just fine, and it was all she expected. Does this mean she was areligious? No, it doesn't. But I wouldn't exactly call her devout either. I'm not qualified to speak on exactly what her personal religious views were, as I have not studied that specific aspect of her, and even those who have studied it have found the lack of sources that speak to this frusterating (ever the problem and challenge in history, and one reason I love it so much!)
OK...more to come on the second half of your proposal!
Not too bad actually!! There are just a few connectors missing (that I'm sure you have in there already). Here is what I would add if it were me:
1) Political unity in a country torn by strife: My 2nd Plan B paper is about the political ramifications of religion and truth, but that paper focuses on France. However, the same thing applies to England. When Elizabeth took the throne, the country was not only torn apart by the policies and practices of Mary, but it was politically torn apart. We are before a time when people are making a distinct line between secular and sacred truth. Catholic nobles and Protestant nobles were at eachother's throats, not only for who should be on the throne (since a woman was NEVER the fit answer according to them) but also just the everyday running and advising of the monarch, plus the Parliament. Both sides were girding up their followers, and civil war was going to be the inevitable result of unity was not achieved. Elizabeth, the consummate politician, knew this, and thus took steps to ensure unity.
2) Distrust of foreigners: And this means everyone...not just the French they are famous for distrusting. Seeds of this can be seen in the marriage of Mary to Philip of Spain, where it was specifically crafted so that he could in no way inherit the throne even if she died. There was an intense distrust of foreign powers. One didn't have to look any farther than the foreign policy of Henry VIII to see how a network of alliances could and often did draw you into conflicts you didn't want to be a part of, not to mention how fragile alliances were. Add to that a big dose of ego, and we have the makings for near paranoia of foreigners. Elizabeth knew that she had to make strategic alliances that would help England build power, but once that power was build she had NO intention of sharing. Why do you think her marriage choices always faced such scrutiny? Of course, she outwitted them in the end, which is one reason I love her!
One caveat to what you have: While saying she was raised Protestant is technically correct, be careful with the implication that she was devoutly Protestant. Protestantism at this time was basically Catholicism without the Pope. Her mother had Protestant tendencies, and she herself was raised in a Protestant sympathetic house, but that doesn't mean she was devout. She was more than willing (and did during periods of paranoia Mary had) to attend Mass, confession and such; pretending to be a Catholic. She was a pragmatist; there is a famous quote from her around the time of the Act of Unity where she said that she had "No desire to make windows into men's souls." by which she meant that she didn't expect Catholics to change their beliefs if the act passed--outward conformity would be just fine, and it was all she expected. Does this mean she was areligious? No, it doesn't. But I wouldn't exactly call her devout either. I'm not qualified to speak on exactly what her personal religious views were, as I have not studied that specific aspect of her, and even those who have studied it have found the lack of sources that speak to this frusterating (ever the problem and challenge in history, and one reason I love it so much!)
OK...more to come on the second half of your proposal!
For consequences I have split it in to two sections, the Catholic consequenses and the Protestant consequences. I have how the extreme Catholics tried to get Mary on the throne (Ridolfi plot, Throckmorton plot, Northern Rebellion and Babington plot) and how they didn't like how a woman was the "supreme govenor" of the church. I have a bit on the vestaments controversy for the consequences for the Puritans/Protestants/Marian exiles, but not much.
You are speaking of consequences for the Act of Uniformity, right? OK...here's what I have for this section. Good job with the plots and such!
I like the divide into Catholic and Protestant consequences, but there were also over-arching consequences I'll get into in a minute.
Catholic Consequences:
1) Forfeiture of land and property for those who refused to take the Oath is the major one here. And of course, where did their wealth go? Into the royal treasury.
2) There was some Marian-like torture and such of Catholics under Elizabeth, but nothing to the extent it had been before.
3) Unintended consequence for Elizabeth? Driving plots against her underground by driving the most ardent Catholics underground. So she perpetually has to deal with assassination attempts.
4) Nice tie in with Mary, Queen of Scots!! That catches the Catholic and Foreign concept well, and even the female concept because she had married Darnley (poor idiot that he was) and had produced a son. So she was more of the typical female for the time.
Consequences for the Protestants:
1) Substantial rise in power and influence. A lot of times they got access and pieces of the land that the Catholics forfeited if they fled or refused to take the oath.
2) Closer ties with certain German dukes, though not with the emperor of the Holy Roman German Empire as much. But the patchwork of alliances that could be created with the powerful German dukes would come in useful.
Sorry...that's all I can think of for that right now.
So, for the over-arching consequences for England itself as a whole:
1) Unity of the country under a political head--even if it was superficial. The new nobility that were created were more loyal to the Queen and the monarchy in general, and the threat of civil war between the Catholics and Protestants abated.
2) This unity allows Elizabeth to consolidate her country's power and bring all of what she had to bear against external threats, like the Spanish Armada (though weather would favor her and she wouldn't be forced to fight them, which is probably lucky for her as she would have needed a miracle to beat them at full strength).
3) A solidification of Protestantism. Like I said before, up until this point, Protestantism was "Catholicism without the Pope." There had been attempts to solidify Protestant doctrine under Edward, but his reign was too short to accomplish anything substantial and most of the minor advances that were made were undone by Mary when she took power, though not completely because she again reigned for a relatively short time. Protestantism itself comes into its own under Elizabeth, partially because she had the luck of a long reign to allow major and permanent changes that could not be undone the minute she died.
4) The development of a two fold Europe: The Catholic Powers and the Protestant Powers. This comes into play later, and forever changes the dynamics of Europe, which up until this time had identified itself (from the Middle Ages on) primarily in terms of being "Christendom".
I don't know how much time you have to do this, but there are a few really good books on this subject:
-Elizabeth I by Anne Sommerset is one I'm reading now that is a really good view of her life both pre and post coronation and could help with some of her more personal aspects.
-Elizabeth I Her Life in Letters by Felix Pryor is a great one for the letters in her own hand that address all aspects of
You are speaking of consequences for the Act of Uniformity, right? OK...here's what I have for this section. Good job with the plots and such!
I like the divide into Catholic and Protestant consequences, but there were also over-arching consequences I'll get into in a minute.
Catholic Consequences:
1) Forfeiture of land and property for those who refused to take the Oath is the major one here. And of course, where did their wealth go? Into the royal treasury.
2) There was some Marian-like torture and such of Catholics under Elizabeth, but nothing to the extent it had been before.
3) Unintended consequence for Elizabeth? Driving plots against her underground by driving the most ardent Catholics underground. So she perpetually has to deal with assassination attempts.
4) Nice tie in with Mary, Queen of Scots!! That catches the Catholic and Foreign concept well, and even the female concept because she had married Darnley (poor idiot that he was) and had produced a son. So she was more of the typical female for the time.
Consequences for the Protestants:
1) Substantial rise in power and influence. A lot of times they got access and pieces of the land that the Catholics forfeited if they fled or refused to take the oath.
2) Closer ties with certain German dukes, though not with the emperor of the Holy Roman German Empire as much. But the patchwork of alliances that could be created with the powerful German dukes would come in useful.
Sorry...that's all I can think of for that right now.
So, for the over-arching consequences for England itself as a whole:
1) Unity of the country under a political head--even if it was superficial. The new nobility that were created were more loyal to the Queen and the monarchy in general, and the threat of civil war between the Catholics and Protestants abated.
2) This unity allows Elizabeth to consolidate her country's power and bring all of what she had to bear against external threats, like the Spanish Armada (though weather would favor her and she wouldn't be forced to fight them, which is probably lucky for her as she would have needed a miracle to beat them at full strength).
3) A solidification of Protestantism. Like I said before, up until this point, Protestantism was "Catholicism without the Pope." There had been attempts to solidify Protestant doctrine under Edward, but his reign was too short to accomplish anything substantial and most of the minor advances that were made were undone by Mary when she took power, though not completely because she again reigned for a relatively short time. Protestantism itself comes into its own under Elizabeth, partially because she had the luck of a long reign to allow major and permanent changes that could not be undone the minute she died.
4) The development of a two fold Europe: The Catholic Powers and the Protestant Powers. This comes into play later, and forever changes the dynamics of Europe, which up until this time had identified itself (from the Middle Ages on) primarily in terms of being "Christendom".
I don't know how much time you have to do this, but there are a few really good books on this subject:
-Elizabeth I by Anne Sommerset is one I'm reading now that is a really good view of her life both pre and post coronation and could help with some of her more personal aspects.
-Elizabeth I Her Life in Letters by Felix Pryor is a great one for the letters in her own hand that address all aspects of
FISH AND CHIPS FOR LUNCH. YUM YUM. :D
I'm ill, and my friend Sarah has just come to my door, with a picture of John Deacon saying "Get Well Soon" She then passed me some Lemsip, a video of Stig Of The Dump (??) and muttered something about the apple never rotting far from the tree and got back in the car and drove off.
I'm confused by this and yet extremely amused.
I'm confused by this and yet extremely amused.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=007788> ?Freya? wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm ill, and my friend Sarah has just come to my door, with a picture of John Deacon saying "Get Well Soon" She then passed me some Lemsip, a video of Stig Of The Dump (??) and muttered something about the apple never rotting far from the tree and got back in the car and drove off.
I'm confused by this and yet extremely amused. [/QUOTE]
She was high on crack, literally? :P
I'm confused by this and yet extremely amused. [/QUOTE]
She was high on crack, literally? :P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=007788> ?Freya? wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm ill, and my friend Sarah has just come to my door, with a picture of John Deacon saying "Get Well Soon" She then passed me some Lemsip, a video of Stig Of The Dump (??) and muttered something about the apple never rotting far from the tree and got back in the car and drove off.
I'm confused by this and yet extremely amused. [/QUOTE]
That's amazing. XD I wish my friends did that for me when I was sick. :P
I'm confused by this and yet extremely amused. [/QUOTE]
That's amazing. XD I wish my friends did that for me when I was sick. :P
She was also wearing a pair of my jeans, with no underwear. Or so she said.
:DDDDDD
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JoxerTheBirthdayBoyPirate wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]she loves to swallow white thing [/QUOTE]
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D[/QUOTE]
You know someone who's a whore? XDDDD
Oh la la. XDDD
[/QUOTE]
Lets just say that I know a lot of people ;D
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D[/QUOTE]
You know someone who's a whore? XDDDD
Oh la la. XDDD
[/QUOTE]
Lets just say that I know a lot of people ;D
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JoxerTheBirthdayBoyPirate wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]she loves to swallow white thing [/QUOTE]
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D[/QUOTE]
You know someone who's a whore? XDDDD
Oh la la. XDDD
[/QUOTE]
Lets just say that I know a lot of people ;D[/QUOTE]
HEY HEY! MISSES POPULARITY! ;)
Who????
What????
XD[/QUOTE]
why did i automatically think "league of gentleman"?
perhaps its old age...[/QUOTE]
WHOOOORE...It was not even breakfast time and she was already on her knees... x'D[/QUOTE]
You know someone who's a whore? XDDDD
Oh la la. XDDD
[/QUOTE]
Lets just say that I know a lot of people ;D[/QUOTE]
HEY HEY! MISSES POPULARITY! ;)
^Ewwww..don't call me like that xD
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]^Ewwww..don't call me like that xD
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LOL
Hey hey! Misses outcast? :OOOO XDDD
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LOL
Hey hey! Misses outcast? :OOOO XDDD
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="9933FF"><b> *Killer Queen* wrote: [/QUOTENAME]^Ewwww..don't call me like that xD
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LOL
Hey hey! Misses outcast? :OOOO XDDD
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Call me Samantha ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Kim-SATC.jpeg
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LOL
Hey hey! Misses outcast? :OOOO XDDD
[/QUOTE]
Call me Samantha ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Kim-SATC.jpeg