[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Lately there was a lot of talk about the FLAC/MP3 issue, so I think, if Richard is interested in improving his site (by accepting the wishes of its users), he will change something, e.g. by dividing the announce forum in two sections, even if it takes its time. .[/QUOTE]
that's a great idea...with one huge caveat...the "announce" sections maybe need to be renamed....
"queen files - mp3" and "queen files - flac"
this would make it clear to everyone that neither section is available for idiots to "pop by" and "aanounce" how great they thought something was, or how they haven't heard from so-and-so for ages
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Actually, I do not even feel like sharing anything at the moment when I have to expect that Bob pops up in my thread to teach me I have to find out about the lineage before I can post something (see Miami thread). Or 928 talks down to me because I chose a certain bitrate for encoding a DVD because he is an alleged professional and I am just an amateur.[/QUOTE]
Queen collectors must be the only collectors who take it personally when someone is trying to track down the lineage of a recording, or when someone stresses quality standards. Lineage and quality standards are requirements in every other major trading community, but here it is an insult to some. It's truly unreal.
Just take a moment, and look at these websites:
http://www.achtungbootlegs.com
http://www.nirvanaguide.com
They are beautifully crafted in every way. Virtually every recording has full lineage and they are lossless, because those fans care. Please, don't make me out to be some kind of enemy because I care.
I challenge anyone to give me a good reason why the Queen trading community shouldn't be something similar, and why it would somehow be a negative thing.
Queen collectors must be the only collectors who take it personally when someone is trying to track down the lineage of a recording, or when someone stresses quality standards. Lineage and quality standards are requirements in every other major trading community, but here it is an insult to some. It's truly unreal.
Just take a moment, and look at these websites:
http://www.achtungbootlegs.com
http://www.nirvanaguide.com
They are beautifully crafted in every way. Virtually every recording has full lineage and they are lossless, because those fans care. Please, don't make me out to be some kind of enemy because I care.
I challenge anyone to give me a good reason why the Queen trading community shouldn't be something similar, and why it would somehow be a negative thing.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Or 928 talks down to me because I chose a certain bitrate for encoding a DVD because he is an alleged professional and I am just an amateur.
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I have only done that when you argue a case of "how its done".
Most people who i have barked at have seen it as a hard line education.Which it has been because pussyfootin' around saying the same things politly DID NOT WORK(4 years ago).
Hmmmm..and
as the quality standards here at QZ have improved from 3 years ago for both audio and video ,with only the odd piece of crap now getting through ,i think we the quality standard people have done a bloody good job.
Myself and others do nothing for Queen or this forum eh???(apart from teach you how to get the best from YOUR BAND so YOU can appreciate what THEY have done at its best).
If you choose to be "woe is me" about it...thats your perrogative.
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I have only done that when you argue a case of "how its done".
Most people who i have barked at have seen it as a hard line education.Which it has been because pussyfootin' around saying the same things politly DID NOT WORK(4 years ago).
Hmmmm..and
as the quality standards here at QZ have improved from 3 years ago for both audio and video ,with only the odd piece of crap now getting through ,i think we the quality standard people have done a bloody good job.
Myself and others do nothing for Queen or this forum eh???(apart from teach you how to get the best from YOUR BAND so YOU can appreciate what THEY have done at its best).
If you choose to be "woe is me" about it...thats your perrogative.
You are just rude, no need to try and rationalize it. Put your money where your mouth is.
Has 928 ever shared anything on Queenzone?
Barb - I think you are being too hard on 928 ;) Of course he has contributed greatly to this site ;) He has been a leader for years at creating a hostile environment at Queenzone ;)
Of course, 928 does not care about the music. All he cares about is "crossing t's and dotting i's", piling on the insults, and looking down his nose at others.
If he really cared about the music, he would be uploading on Queenzone to counteract potential polluting of the trading pool by those who intentionally or unintentionally convert mp3 to Flac then share or trade it.
Indeed, he should put his money where his filthy mouth is if he truly cares about the music.
Barb - I think you are being too hard on 928 ;) Of course he has contributed greatly to this site ;) He has been a leader for years at creating a hostile environment at Queenzone ;)
Of course, 928 does not care about the music. All he cares about is "crossing t's and dotting i's", piling on the insults, and looking down his nose at others.
If he really cared about the music, he would be uploading on Queenzone to counteract potential polluting of the trading pool by those who intentionally or unintentionally convert mp3 to Flac then share or trade it.
Indeed, he should put his money where his filthy mouth is if he truly cares about the music.
I don't know if it is because of the stress provocated by the mp3/flac "war" here nowadays but i find Barb and Gy Bitch a little rude, maybe because of others being a little rude too, I don't know, but it's time to put an end to all that bad words and so on, no ?
It's now time to have concrete decisions made, something making Queenzone progress or not towards quality, I hope the first one because quality is what we all expect (well, I think). But something needs to be made urgently. I came on queenzone to enjoy music, and to express my thoughts about this and that, but here it's becoming groovy, a lot more groovy, a sort of instable climat on our heads.
The qualty defenders seem to feel somewhat a different kind of people, despite the many examples found elsewhere (Bob talked about Led Zep, Nirvana and others I think). On the other hand, the other queenzoners feel attacked by this "new movement" which is defending quality (not really aiming to attack the Queen fans !).
So now, stop this war, progress or not, but state this clearly. I think Richard should come here on this topic and express clearly what he thinks in person, as everybody would clearly know what Queenzone will become or not.
I'm fed up to see everyone talking nastily, or having bad behaviour etc... Really. thanks a lot Richard to calm everything down and state your opinions directly.
Regards,
Olivier,
France.
It's now time to have concrete decisions made, something making Queenzone progress or not towards quality, I hope the first one because quality is what we all expect (well, I think). But something needs to be made urgently. I came on queenzone to enjoy music, and to express my thoughts about this and that, but here it's becoming groovy, a lot more groovy, a sort of instable climat on our heads.
The qualty defenders seem to feel somewhat a different kind of people, despite the many examples found elsewhere (Bob talked about Led Zep, Nirvana and others I think). On the other hand, the other queenzoners feel attacked by this "new movement" which is defending quality (not really aiming to attack the Queen fans !).
So now, stop this war, progress or not, but state this clearly. I think Richard should come here on this topic and express clearly what he thinks in person, as everybody would clearly know what Queenzone will become or not.
I'm fed up to see everyone talking nastily, or having bad behaviour etc... Really. thanks a lot Richard to calm everything down and state your opinions directly.
Regards,
Olivier,
France.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]josedequeso wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Cologne 79 and your other "share" (mp3 disguised as flac) were completely acceptable to be deleted because they were a flagrant "fuck you," so we had to do it ourselves because the mods were certainly not going to do it. And yes, I did complain on those 2 "shares" but I did not on the other two you mentioned. The denouncing of the Chicago 82 "share" I believe was not warranted but you could have easily saved everyone's time by just posting the lossless version. Seems pretty foolish to me.
And another thing, stop acting like you are a martyr and we (flac supporters) unjustly persecuted you. Get over yourself.
I do believe I challenged you a month ago about "censorship" but you never responded and just insisted on calling me a nazi, do you care to justify your position now or would you rather shout out rhetoric that can not be backed up with facts?
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I am not sure why I am responding to you, as your concept of debating seems to be telling someone to fuck off.
Did I call you a flac nazi, or did I use the term generically to refer to those who attermpt to censor mp3?
Sorry, I can only give you a 50% rating as a flac nazi, as you do not to attempt censor every mp3 link on QZ by hypocritically complaining about copyright issues on only mp3 downloads while ignoring copyright issues on flac downloads.
If you wish to achieve 100% flac nazi-ism, you must try much harder. Perhaps 928 will be willing to train you if you so desire.
And another thing, stop acting like you are a martyr and we (flac supporters) unjustly persecuted you. Get over yourself.
I do believe I challenged you a month ago about "censorship" but you never responded and just insisted on calling me a nazi, do you care to justify your position now or would you rather shout out rhetoric that can not be backed up with facts?
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I am not sure why I am responding to you, as your concept of debating seems to be telling someone to fuck off.
Did I call you a flac nazi, or did I use the term generically to refer to those who attermpt to censor mp3?
Sorry, I can only give you a 50% rating as a flac nazi, as you do not to attempt censor every mp3 link on QZ by hypocritically complaining about copyright issues on only mp3 downloads while ignoring copyright issues on flac downloads.
If you wish to achieve 100% flac nazi-ism, you must try much harder. Perhaps 928 will be willing to train you if you so desire.
Ruth -
You rudely told me in another topic that I should delete my mp3 shares of Chicago 82 after I shared Chicago 82 in flac.
There are at least 5 people downloading from the mp3 torrent at the moment when they could have chosen the flac torrent.
It is rude that you insist that people download flac if they only want mp3.
If you are so worried about quality, make sure you use a spectral analyzer to check if your flac download is truly lossless.
You rudely told me in another topic that I should delete my mp3 shares of Chicago 82 after I shared Chicago 82 in flac.
There are at least 5 people downloading from the mp3 torrent at the moment when they could have chosen the flac torrent.
It is rude that you insist that people download flac if they only want mp3.
If you are so worried about quality, make sure you use a spectral analyzer to check if your flac download is truly lossless.
Gym Bitch,
Sorry and ashamed you found me rude, I don't remember being rude on Queenzone, when I read some of my posts I find myself quite as a pacifist, even if I'm convinced with my ideas of quality and so on. If you found me rude, then I don't understand and please accept my apologies because I absolutely didn't want to be rude with you, I don't really think I was.
I just thought it was logical to have only the Flac shared, yes, that's true and I won't come back on what I said, it is my true opinion. If you decide to share something in lossless format, it is because you know what quality is and respect this, without permitting people to use lossy files. When you have a big luxuous car etc.., using shitty fuel is quite illogical.
That's my opinion, shared now by others (well I followed the move, I didn't launch this, don't misunderstand me). Maybe not the whole queenzoners people, so that's probably why you offer also mp3. That's your poit of view, fine, I exposed mine and you exposed yours, that's Ok, I have no problem with this. I just thought that it was more logical if you share lossless (showing you care about the quality) that you deleted your mp3 files, and now I would have found this logical to have only Flac offered here, followng the same thinking. But I just said something, I haven't committed any murder or so, never insulted you etc...
That's all I said, i don't think I am rude saying that, and once again I appreciate the fact that you share this gig on queenzone, truely.
And to answer your question, yes, I use spectral analyzer. Don't know what this have to do with this discussion, but yes I use one.
Please accept my apologies if you thought i was rude, but I was never trying to be rude with you or anyone else here, this is not my favorite hobby and I am one of the firsts to say that it is not what I am searching here.
Olivier,
France.
Sorry and ashamed you found me rude, I don't remember being rude on Queenzone, when I read some of my posts I find myself quite as a pacifist, even if I'm convinced with my ideas of quality and so on. If you found me rude, then I don't understand and please accept my apologies because I absolutely didn't want to be rude with you, I don't really think I was.
I just thought it was logical to have only the Flac shared, yes, that's true and I won't come back on what I said, it is my true opinion. If you decide to share something in lossless format, it is because you know what quality is and respect this, without permitting people to use lossy files. When you have a big luxuous car etc.., using shitty fuel is quite illogical.
That's my opinion, shared now by others (well I followed the move, I didn't launch this, don't misunderstand me). Maybe not the whole queenzoners people, so that's probably why you offer also mp3. That's your poit of view, fine, I exposed mine and you exposed yours, that's Ok, I have no problem with this. I just thought that it was more logical if you share lossless (showing you care about the quality) that you deleted your mp3 files, and now I would have found this logical to have only Flac offered here, followng the same thinking. But I just said something, I haven't committed any murder or so, never insulted you etc...
That's all I said, i don't think I am rude saying that, and once again I appreciate the fact that you share this gig on queenzone, truely.
And to answer your question, yes, I use spectral analyzer. Don't know what this have to do with this discussion, but yes I use one.
Please accept my apologies if you thought i was rude, but I was never trying to be rude with you or anyone else here, this is not my favorite hobby and I am one of the firsts to say that it is not what I am searching here.
Olivier,
France.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gym Bitch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There are at least 5 people downloading from the mp3 torrent at the moment when they could have chosen the flac torrent.[/QUOTE]
Just because a minority of people want mp3 doesn't make it inherently correct for all reasons. It most likely means they don't know what the difference between lossy and lossless files is.
Just because a minority of people want mp3 doesn't make it inherently correct for all reasons. It most likely means they don't know what the difference between lossy and lossless files is.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gym Bitch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Indeed, he should put his money where his filthy mouth is if he truly cares about the music.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he'll share if the mp3 shares stop...
Maybe he'll share if the mp3 shares stop...
That is just an excuse not to share.
If he added lossless recordings to the trading pool by sharing, he would further dilute or flood out the small amount of mp3 sourced flac or wav recordings that is in the trading pool.
Remember, the vast majority of mp3 downloads never make it to the lossless trading pool.
If he added lossless recordings to the trading pool by sharing, he would further dilute or flood out the small amount of mp3 sourced flac or wav recordings that is in the trading pool.
Remember, the vast majority of mp3 downloads never make it to the lossless trading pool.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gym Bitch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That is just an excuse not to share.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to tapers who are hoarding their own recordings for that reason. Maybe 928 is a taper himself... ever thought of that?
Go to The Traders' Den and have a chat with Freezer. Ask him to share his master of Zeppelin's Baton Rouge 75 in mp3, and see how far you'll get.
[QUOTE]If he added lossless recordings to the trading pool by sharing, he would further dilute or flood out the small amount of mp3 sourced flac or wav recordings that is in the trading pool.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but if you and people like you stopped sharing mp3, there would be nothing to dilute.
[QUOTE]Remember, the vast majority of mp3 downloads never make it to the lossless trading pool.[/QUOTE]
That's definitely not true. The trading pool of Queen is full of mp3-sourced recordings. Myself, I have two full spindles of mp3-sourced CDRs I've received in trade over the years.
Tell that to tapers who are hoarding their own recordings for that reason. Maybe 928 is a taper himself... ever thought of that?
Go to The Traders' Den and have a chat with Freezer. Ask him to share his master of Zeppelin's Baton Rouge 75 in mp3, and see how far you'll get.
[QUOTE]If he added lossless recordings to the trading pool by sharing, he would further dilute or flood out the small amount of mp3 sourced flac or wav recordings that is in the trading pool.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but if you and people like you stopped sharing mp3, there would be nothing to dilute.
[QUOTE]Remember, the vast majority of mp3 downloads never make it to the lossless trading pool.[/QUOTE]
That's definitely not true. The trading pool of Queen is full of mp3-sourced recordings. Myself, I have two full spindles of mp3-sourced CDRs I've received in trade over the years.
"Myself, I have two full spindles of mp3-sourced CDRs I've received in trade over the years."
And that is the only true reason why mp3s should be removed from QZ actually. Not because of the quality, but because some traders have been fucked by other bad traders with mp3-sourced CDRs. And because of that "minority" (please don't tell me that 90% of Queen fans are hardcore traders) mp3s should be removed. Yeah, why not? Someone would send you e-mail with the rude words inside and we'll ban e-mail and the Internet!
"Did I call you a flac nazi, or did I use the term generically to refer to those who attermpt to censor mp3?"
It was me. If someone will blame you for that word - send all of them to me! They're not afraid to ban mp3s and leave some part of Queen fans without music of their fave band, but they're afraid of word "nazi".
And that is the only true reason why mp3s should be removed from QZ actually. Not because of the quality, but because some traders have been fucked by other bad traders with mp3-sourced CDRs. And because of that "minority" (please don't tell me that 90% of Queen fans are hardcore traders) mp3s should be removed. Yeah, why not? Someone would send you e-mail with the rude words inside and we'll ban e-mail and the Internet!
"Did I call you a flac nazi, or did I use the term generically to refer to those who attermpt to censor mp3?"
It was me. If someone will blame you for that word - send all of them to me! They're not afraid to ban mp3s and leave some part of Queen fans without music of their fave band, but they're afraid of word "nazi".
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And because of that "minority" (please don't tell me that 90% of Queen fans are hardcore traders) mp3s should be removed.[/QUOTE]
There are many, many reasons. Not just that. All the reasoning been spelled out in black and white in the many recent topics here.
Of course, 90% of fans aren't traders. But most traders (regardless of what percentage of the overall fanbase they are) prefer to preserve the quality of their recordings, not destroy them. The majority have spoken up in the Cologne 79 topic, leaving the minority with little to argue for. Yet they're still trying! I suppose I can admire their stamina and audacity.
There are many, many reasons. Not just that. All the reasoning been spelled out in black and white in the many recent topics here.
Of course, 90% of fans aren't traders. But most traders (regardless of what percentage of the overall fanbase they are) prefer to preserve the quality of their recordings, not destroy them. The majority have spoken up in the Cologne 79 topic, leaving the minority with little to argue for. Yet they're still trying! I suppose I can admire their stamina and audacity.