"Of course, 90% of fans aren't traders."
That's why this place has the QueenZone title, not the QueenTradersZone. And that's why Richard has allowed mp3s here, and that's why there are no any "further actions" which you wrote about one week ago.
Share and download whatever you want, on one day mp3s will leave this world like RealAudio did, but it will happens not because of you or any the traders' orders. You have to deal with that and be patient.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Of course, 90% of fans aren't traders."
That's why this place has the QueenZone title, not the QueenTradersZone. And that's why Richard has allowed mp3s here, and that's why there are no any "further actions" which you wrote about one week ago.
Share and download whatever you want, on one day mp3s will leave this world like RealAudio did, but it will happens not because of you or any the traders' orders. You have to deal with that and be patient.[/QUOTE]But once you start collecting unofficial recordings you have to play by the rules of collectors. That's the case for every major band. take a look at the rules of all fan/share sites: only lossless material with info about where the recording has been.
Queen, my favourite band has fans who claim to be die-hards but still they're too lazy to learn more about this subject. That's something I cannot understand. All people have to do is visit queenlive.ca and read the glossary page!!!! That's only 1 page and they will know much more and (hopefully)understand where the people who defend quality standards come from.
And if you have a question about something, just ask and others will help you.
If I'm a bad person because I do not understand why people still want mp3, so be it.
That's why this place has the QueenZone title, not the QueenTradersZone. And that's why Richard has allowed mp3s here, and that's why there are no any "further actions" which you wrote about one week ago.
Share and download whatever you want, on one day mp3s will leave this world like RealAudio did, but it will happens not because of you or any the traders' orders. You have to deal with that and be patient.[/QUOTE]But once you start collecting unofficial recordings you have to play by the rules of collectors. That's the case for every major band. take a look at the rules of all fan/share sites: only lossless material with info about where the recording has been.
Queen, my favourite band has fans who claim to be die-hards but still they're too lazy to learn more about this subject. That's something I cannot understand. All people have to do is visit queenlive.ca and read the glossary page!!!! That's only 1 page and they will know much more and (hopefully)understand where the people who defend quality standards come from.
And if you have a question about something, just ask and others will help you.
If I'm a bad person because I do not understand why people still want mp3, so be it.
"But once you start collecting unofficial recordings you have to play by the rules of collectors."
Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
"That's the case for every major band. take a look at the rules of all fan/share sites: only lossless material with info about where the recording has been."
Guys, are you the kids or what? "John has that big toy car, I don't, muuuuuuuum!" - why should I look how other fan-sites do?! I'm talking about mp3s on QZ, I don't care about other sites and their rules in this case. If you can't deal with the QZ rules that's not enough reason to change the whole board. I don't like some things on QZ, but I'm the boss on my own site only.
"All people have to do is visit queenlive.ca and read the glossary page!!!! "
Do you know who's web master of that site? I do.
Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
"That's the case for every major band. take a look at the rules of all fan/share sites: only lossless material with info about where the recording has been."
Guys, are you the kids or what? "John has that big toy car, I don't, muuuuuuuum!" - why should I look how other fan-sites do?! I'm talking about mp3s on QZ, I don't care about other sites and their rules in this case. If you can't deal with the QZ rules that's not enough reason to change the whole board. I don't like some things on QZ, but I'm the boss on my own site only.
"All people have to do is visit queenlive.ca and read the glossary page!!!! "
Do you know who's web master of that site? I do.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"But once you start collecting unofficial recordings you have to play by the rules of collectors."
Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
"That's the case for every major band. take a look at the rules of all fan/share sites: only lossless material with info about where the recording has been."
Guys, are you the kids or what? "John has that big toy car, I don't, muuuuuuuum!" - why should I look how other fan-sites do?! I'm talking about mp3s on QZ, I don't care about other sites and their rules in this case. If you can't deal with the QZ rules that's not enough reason to change the whole board. I don't like some things on QZ, but I'm the boss on my own site only.
"All people have to do is visit queenlive.ca and read the glossary page!!!! "
Do you know who's web master of that site? I do.[/QUOTE]Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
There's not a big difference between trading and sharing recordings on a site like Queenzone. Once you download recordings you're a collector. We live in the 21st century. It's easy to share all that wonderful music on the internet. Why not do it?
Guys, are you the kids or what? "John has that big toy car, I don't, muuuuuuuum!" - why should I look how other fan-sites do?! I'm talking about mp3s on QZ, I don't care about other sites and their rules in this case. If you can't deal with the QZ rules that's not enough reason to change the whole board. I don't like some things on QZ, but I'm the boss on my own site only.
So you think that only Queenfans have Queen recordings! There are people who collect music and have stuff from several bands(and rare stuff for that matter). Once they know Queenfans treat their recordings like shit(which is what we do with MP3 sharing, no lineage, no other info whatsoever...)they don't want to share anymore. There are several examples of this. The lack of rules on this site is not a positive thing, it's a negative thing.
Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
Please, go to the traders' den and share an mp3 recording there. Or do you think those people are not collectors? Only people who trade can be collectors in your view. We live in the 21st century!
Do you know who's web master of that site? I do.
I do too.
He does a great job! It's a fantastic site. It's my bible for Queen recordings(take a look at the best recordings place). I hope you agree with me. And I don't think there's something in the section I refer to that isn't true. Otherwise, please tell me.
Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
"That's the case for every major band. take a look at the rules of all fan/share sites: only lossless material with info about where the recording has been."
Guys, are you the kids or what? "John has that big toy car, I don't, muuuuuuuum!" - why should I look how other fan-sites do?! I'm talking about mp3s on QZ, I don't care about other sites and their rules in this case. If you can't deal with the QZ rules that's not enough reason to change the whole board. I don't like some things on QZ, but I'm the boss on my own site only.
"All people have to do is visit queenlive.ca and read the glossary page!!!! "
Do you know who's web master of that site? I do.[/QUOTE]Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
There's not a big difference between trading and sharing recordings on a site like Queenzone. Once you download recordings you're a collector. We live in the 21st century. It's easy to share all that wonderful music on the internet. Why not do it?
Guys, are you the kids or what? "John has that big toy car, I don't, muuuuuuuum!" - why should I look how other fan-sites do?! I'm talking about mp3s on QZ, I don't care about other sites and their rules in this case. If you can't deal with the QZ rules that's not enough reason to change the whole board. I don't like some things on QZ, but I'm the boss on my own site only.
So you think that only Queenfans have Queen recordings! There are people who collect music and have stuff from several bands(and rare stuff for that matter). Once they know Queenfans treat their recordings like shit(which is what we do with MP3 sharing, no lineage, no other info whatsoever...)they don't want to share anymore. There are several examples of this. The lack of rules on this site is not a positive thing, it's a negative thing.
Rules are very simple - don't trade mp3-sourced recordings and don't sell bootlegs. That's it. Nothing more. No any "we'll learn you how to love quality, arsehole!".
Please, go to the traders' den and share an mp3 recording there. Or do you think those people are not collectors? Only people who trade can be collectors in your view. We live in the 21st century!
Do you know who's web master of that site? I do.
I do too.
He does a great job! It's a fantastic site. It's my bible for Queen recordings(take a look at the best recordings place). I hope you agree with me. And I don't think there's something in the section I refer to that isn't true. Otherwise, please tell me.
"There's not a big difference between trading and sharing recordings on a site like Queenzone. Once you download recordings you're a collector. We live in the 21st century. It's easy to share all that wonderful music on the internet. Why not do it?"
There is the difference. I can download show for the listening, for sending one track over e-mail (with all those limitations on attached files), whatever else, I'm not gonna trade that. And yes we are in the 21st century - just open many websites and you'll find "here's the file in .format and here is the same file in .zip, in .rar" - download what you want, save time and money. And in the 21st century Bob tells me that I should use the post mail if I wanna have some shows (just read recent threads).
"The lack of rules on this site is not a positive thing, it's a negative thing."
Make your own and put any rules you want to. Make petition to put such rules. Do something else except blaming other QZers for the rules which weren't made by them.
"Please, go to the traders' den and share an mp3 recording there. Or do you think those people are not collectors?"
Have you read what I wrote about "the collectors' rules"? "Don't trade mp3-sourced recordings". This is what I wrote. Re-read before replying. And again these references to "other sites"... This (QZ) is not sharing community, not traders' forum!
"He does a great job! It's a fantastic site. It's my bible for Queen recordings(take a look at the best recordings place)."
My bible about Queen live shows is Queenconcerts by Martin who has nothing against of mp3s, so what? Bob made great site and fantastic research (we must put statue to him for his research about Live Killers), but still - how does it make QZ mp3less? What's the connection?
"And I don't think there's something in the section I refer to that isn't true. Otherwise, please tell me."
The most important thing you can't understand in this "war": mp3-supporters are NOT against of FLACs, it's FLAC supporters who are against of mp3. See the difference? I can't see any mp3-lovers complaining about shows in FLAC. If you like quality - download it in FLAC, if you can deal with something like Manchester '73 in mp3 - why not? It's my own choice and my own problems, I force no-one to download mp3s, but FLAC supporters wanna delete that thread, ban this user for mp3, is it okay? Yours and my English is away from being perfect - should we be banned? Just for the quality's sake, who cares if our native language is not English?! Learn it and then come back. Do you wanna have such rules on QZ? Why not? Quality, man, quality of English language!
There is the difference. I can download show for the listening, for sending one track over e-mail (with all those limitations on attached files), whatever else, I'm not gonna trade that. And yes we are in the 21st century - just open many websites and you'll find "here's the file in .format and here is the same file in .zip, in .rar" - download what you want, save time and money. And in the 21st century Bob tells me that I should use the post mail if I wanna have some shows (just read recent threads).
"The lack of rules on this site is not a positive thing, it's a negative thing."
Make your own and put any rules you want to. Make petition to put such rules. Do something else except blaming other QZers for the rules which weren't made by them.
"Please, go to the traders' den and share an mp3 recording there. Or do you think those people are not collectors?"
Have you read what I wrote about "the collectors' rules"? "Don't trade mp3-sourced recordings". This is what I wrote. Re-read before replying. And again these references to "other sites"... This (QZ) is not sharing community, not traders' forum!
"He does a great job! It's a fantastic site. It's my bible for Queen recordings(take a look at the best recordings place)."
My bible about Queen live shows is Queenconcerts by Martin who has nothing against of mp3s, so what? Bob made great site and fantastic research (we must put statue to him for his research about Live Killers), but still - how does it make QZ mp3less? What's the connection?
"And I don't think there's something in the section I refer to that isn't true. Otherwise, please tell me."
The most important thing you can't understand in this "war": mp3-supporters are NOT against of FLACs, it's FLAC supporters who are against of mp3. See the difference? I can't see any mp3-lovers complaining about shows in FLAC. If you like quality - download it in FLAC, if you can deal with something like Manchester '73 in mp3 - why not? It's my own choice and my own problems, I force no-one to download mp3s, but FLAC supporters wanna delete that thread, ban this user for mp3, is it okay? Yours and my English is away from being perfect - should we be banned? Just for the quality's sake, who cares if our native language is not English?! Learn it and then come back. Do you wanna have such rules on QZ? Why not? Quality, man, quality of English language!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"There's not a big difference between trading and sharing recordings on a site like Queenzone. Once you download recordings you're a collector. We live in the 21st century. It's easy to share all that wonderful music on the internet. Why not do it?"
There is the difference. I can download show for the listening, for sending one track over e-mail (with all those limitations on attached files), whatever else, I'm not gonna trade that. And yes we are in the 21st century - just open many websites and you'll find "here's the file in .format and here is the same file in .zip, in .rar" - download what you want, save time and money. And in the 21st century Bob tells me that I should use the post mail if I wanna have some shows (just read recent threads).
"The lack of rules on this site is not a positive thing, it's a negative thing."
Make your own and put any rules you want to. Make petition to put such rules. Do something else except blaming other QZers for the rules which weren't made by them.
"Please, go to the traders' den and share an mp3 recording there. Or do you think those people are not collectors?"
Have you read what I wrote about "the collectors' rules"? "Don't trade mp3-sourced recordings". This is what I wrote. Re-read before replying. And again these references to "other sites"... This (QZ) is not sharing community, not traders' forum!
"He does a great job! It's a fantastic site. It's my bible for Queen recordings(take a look at the best recordings place)."
My bible about Queen live shows is Queenconcerts by Martin who has nothing against of mp3s, so what? Bob made great site and fantastic research (we must put statue to him for his research about Live Killers), but still - how does it make QZ mp3less? What's the connection?
"And I don't think there's something in the section I refer to that isn't true. Otherwise, please tell me."
The most important thing you can't understand in this "war": mp3-supporters are NOT against of FLACs, it's FLAC supporters who are against of mp3. See the difference? I can't see any mp3-lovers complaining about shows in FLAC. If you like quality - download it in FLAC, if you can deal with something like Manchester '73 in mp3 - why not? It's my own choice and my own problems, I force no-one to download mp3s, but FLAC supporters wanna delete that thread, ban this user for mp3, is it okay? Yours and my English is away from being perfect - should we be banned? Just for the quality's sake, who cares if our native language is not English?! Learn it and then come back. Do you wanna have such rules on QZ? Why not? Quality, man, quality of English language![/QUOTE]There is the difference. I can download show for the listening, for sending one track over e-mail (with all those limitations on attached files), whatever else, I'm not gonna trade that. And yes we are in the 21st century - just open many websites and you'll find "here's the file in .format and here is the same file in .zip, in .rar" - download what you want, save time and money. And in the 21st century Bob tells me that I should use the post mail if I wanna have some shows (just read recent threads).
You can do all the same things with tracks in FLAC format and you won't loose quality. So why does it has to be mp3. Because it is worse? Not a good reason if you ask me.
And the other websites you refer to: because they are not intelligent, we shouldn't be either?
Do something else except blaming other QZers for the rules which weren't made by them.
I blame Queenfans for defending mp3 as being better than lossless formats. That's just a lie.
Have you read what I wrote about "the collectors' rules"? "Don't trade mp3-sourced recordings". This is what I wrote. Re-read before replyi
There is the difference. I can download show for the listening, for sending one track over e-mail (with all those limitations on attached files), whatever else, I'm not gonna trade that. And yes we are in the 21st century - just open many websites and you'll find "here's the file in .format and here is the same file in .zip, in .rar" - download what you want, save time and money. And in the 21st century Bob tells me that I should use the post mail if I wanna have some shows (just read recent threads).
"The lack of rules on this site is not a positive thing, it's a negative thing."
Make your own and put any rules you want to. Make petition to put such rules. Do something else except blaming other QZers for the rules which weren't made by them.
"Please, go to the traders' den and share an mp3 recording there. Or do you think those people are not collectors?"
Have you read what I wrote about "the collectors' rules"? "Don't trade mp3-sourced recordings". This is what I wrote. Re-read before replying. And again these references to "other sites"... This (QZ) is not sharing community, not traders' forum!
"He does a great job! It's a fantastic site. It's my bible for Queen recordings(take a look at the best recordings place)."
My bible about Queen live shows is Queenconcerts by Martin who has nothing against of mp3s, so what? Bob made great site and fantastic research (we must put statue to him for his research about Live Killers), but still - how does it make QZ mp3less? What's the connection?
"And I don't think there's something in the section I refer to that isn't true. Otherwise, please tell me."
The most important thing you can't understand in this "war": mp3-supporters are NOT against of FLACs, it's FLAC supporters who are against of mp3. See the difference? I can't see any mp3-lovers complaining about shows in FLAC. If you like quality - download it in FLAC, if you can deal with something like Manchester '73 in mp3 - why not? It's my own choice and my own problems, I force no-one to download mp3s, but FLAC supporters wanna delete that thread, ban this user for mp3, is it okay? Yours and my English is away from being perfect - should we be banned? Just for the quality's sake, who cares if our native language is not English?! Learn it and then come back. Do you wanna have such rules on QZ? Why not? Quality, man, quality of English language![/QUOTE]There is the difference. I can download show for the listening, for sending one track over e-mail (with all those limitations on attached files), whatever else, I'm not gonna trade that. And yes we are in the 21st century - just open many websites and you'll find "here's the file in .format and here is the same file in .zip, in .rar" - download what you want, save time and money. And in the 21st century Bob tells me that I should use the post mail if I wanna have some shows (just read recent threads).
You can do all the same things with tracks in FLAC format and you won't loose quality. So why does it has to be mp3. Because it is worse? Not a good reason if you ask me.
And the other websites you refer to: because they are not intelligent, we shouldn't be either?
Do something else except blaming other QZers for the rules which weren't made by them.
I blame Queenfans for defending mp3 as being better than lossless formats. That's just a lie.
Have you read what I wrote about "the collectors' rules"? "Don't trade mp3-sourced recordings". This is what I wrote. Re-read before replyi
It's hard to discuss when you don't want to hear what I say, therefore...
"But when people download MP3 they just collect not so good quality stuff."
What's your business about it? Do they force you to collect mp3? Do they force you to listen what they have downloaded? Why don't you tell us about smoking then? It's bad too. Let's ban smokers outta QZ too. We'll show them what's good for them! I haven't seen so many smokers on Nirvana fan sites as on QZ!
P.S. About language: on English-speaking board you can't speak on perfect English, so you should be banned. What will be in the future otherwise? U instead of you and ze instead of the? If you speak on perfect English everyone can understand you on the board, it'll be good for you! Can't you see that? We care about your interests, son!
"But when people download MP3 they just collect not so good quality stuff."
What's your business about it? Do they force you to collect mp3? Do they force you to listen what they have downloaded? Why don't you tell us about smoking then? It's bad too. Let's ban smokers outta QZ too. We'll show them what's good for them! I haven't seen so many smokers on Nirvana fan sites as on QZ!
P.S. About language: on English-speaking board you can't speak on perfect English, so you should be banned. What will be in the future otherwise? U instead of you and ze instead of the? If you speak on perfect English everyone can understand you on the board, it'll be good for you! Can't you see that? We care about your interests, son!
- I smoke (a lot)
- My taylor iz rich
- My taylor iz rich
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's hard to discuss when you don't want to hear what I say, therefore...
"But when people download MP3 they just collect not so good quality stuff."
What's your business about it? Do they force you to collect mp3? Do they force you to listen what they have downloaded? Why don't you tell us about smoking then? It's bad too. Let's ban smokers outta QZ too. We'll show them what's good for them! I haven't seen so many smokers on Nirvana fan sites as on QZ!
P.S. About language: on English-speaking board you can't speak on perfect English, so you should be banned. What will be in the future otherwise? U instead of you and ze instead of the? If you speak on perfect English everyone can understand you on the board, it'll be good for you! Can't you see that? We care about your interests, son![/QUOTE]I will not add more to the discussion but these are 2 observations of mine:
1) You make all kinds of mistakes against logic just to make your point. (What has smoking to do with this board? Or with sharing music in general? Totally ridiculous!)
2) You make it personal by saying my english is bad. To be honest with you: that makes me a bit angry.
I will not discuss things with people who hit below the belt. It's obvious you want to push me and others in a corner and not a very nice corner for that matter.
If defending something bad is more important to you than friendly behaviour towards a fellow Queen fan, so be it. But I've had enough of it.
I hope you understand my bad english!
"But when people download MP3 they just collect not so good quality stuff."
What's your business about it? Do they force you to collect mp3? Do they force you to listen what they have downloaded? Why don't you tell us about smoking then? It's bad too. Let's ban smokers outta QZ too. We'll show them what's good for them! I haven't seen so many smokers on Nirvana fan sites as on QZ!
P.S. About language: on English-speaking board you can't speak on perfect English, so you should be banned. What will be in the future otherwise? U instead of you and ze instead of the? If you speak on perfect English everyone can understand you on the board, it'll be good for you! Can't you see that? We care about your interests, son![/QUOTE]I will not add more to the discussion but these are 2 observations of mine:
1) You make all kinds of mistakes against logic just to make your point. (What has smoking to do with this board? Or with sharing music in general? Totally ridiculous!)
2) You make it personal by saying my english is bad. To be honest with you: that makes me a bit angry.
I will not discuss things with people who hit below the belt. It's obvious you want to push me and others in a corner and not a very nice corner for that matter.
If defending something bad is more important to you than friendly behaviour towards a fellow Queen fan, so be it. But I've had enough of it.
I hope you understand my bad english!
"I will not add more to the discussion but these are 2 observations of mine"
You haven't add anything new to this discussion except the many times repeated fact about quality. Though this discussion is not about the quality. But all your words still are about the quality.
"You make all kinds of mistakes against logic just to make your point. (What has smoking to do with this board? Or with sharing music in general? Totally ridiculous!)"
What has your trading business that I don't care about to do with format of files on my PC? Could you please once answer that simple question I've asked you three times? Smoking has nothing to do with this board - you're right and that's why quality of files on my PC has nothing to do with this board or any QZers.
"You make it personal by saying my english is bad. To be honest with you: that makes me a bit angry."
I haven't said that. You're putting your own fears in my mouth. I wrote "yours and MY English is away from being perfect" which is not "bad and terrible". If you think that your English is perfect, I'm sorry for my words.
"I will not discuss things with people who hit below the belt."
It only proves that you can't answer my simple questions - they're out of logic, they're funny, they're wrong, i.e. you just can't answer them. Old and very well-known way how not to answer on the questions.
You haven't add anything new to this discussion except the many times repeated fact about quality. Though this discussion is not about the quality. But all your words still are about the quality.
"You make all kinds of mistakes against logic just to make your point. (What has smoking to do with this board? Or with sharing music in general? Totally ridiculous!)"
What has your trading business that I don't care about to do with format of files on my PC? Could you please once answer that simple question I've asked you three times? Smoking has nothing to do with this board - you're right and that's why quality of files on my PC has nothing to do with this board or any QZers.
"You make it personal by saying my english is bad. To be honest with you: that makes me a bit angry."
I haven't said that. You're putting your own fears in my mouth. I wrote "yours and MY English is away from being perfect" which is not "bad and terrible". If you think that your English is perfect, I'm sorry for my words.
"I will not discuss things with people who hit below the belt."
It only proves that you can't answer my simple questions - they're out of logic, they're funny, they're wrong, i.e. you just can't answer them. Old and very well-known way how not to answer on the questions.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"I will not add more to the discussion but these are 2 observations of mine"
You haven't add anything new to this discussion except the many times repeated fact about quality. Though this discussion is not about the quality. But all your words still are about the quality.
"You make all kinds of mistakes against logic just to make your point. (What has smoking to do with this board? Or with sharing music in general? Totally ridiculous!)"
What has your trading business that I don't care about to do with format of files on my PC? Could you please once answer that simple question I've asked you three times? Smoking has nothing to do with this board - you're right and that's why quality of files on my PC has nothing to do with this board or any QZers.
"You make it personal by saying my english is bad. To be honest with you: that makes me a bit angry."
I haven't said that. You're putting your own fears in my mouth. I wrote "yours and MY English is away from being perfect" which is not "bad and terrible". If you think that your English is perfect, I'm sorry for my words.
"I will not discuss things with people who hit below the belt."
It only proves that you can't answer my simple questions - they're out of logic, they're funny, they're wrong, i.e. you just can't answer them. Old and very well-known way how not to answer on the questions.[/QUOTE]I can easily answer your question: there's nothing wrong with mp3 on your pc. There's something wrong with mp3 on this board. People with bad intentions can download it and distribute these recordings as if they are lossless. That has happened many times.
And the discussion is not only about MP3 but also about people giving no info about their recordings whatsoever. For people like me(and I think many collectors do because it's nicer to hear a show in better quality than worse), who seek the best version possible of a show it is hard because there are numerous versions doing the rounds. Lossy and lossless ones. The problem is bigger than just lossy sharing. It's about the entire attitude. We have many shows with this lineage: AUD > ? > CD-R(x). We know nothing about that recording with that lineage and that's a pitty!
It's easy, if you want mp3 on your pc. You can downoad the flac files and convert for own use. This has been discussed many times before.
Collectors don't have a problem with that.
Collectors only have a problem with the sharing of lossy files on this(and other)site because it pollutes the trading pool. Simple as that. Now, what part is it that you don't WANT to understand?
You haven't add anything new to this discussion except the many times repeated fact about quality. Though this discussion is not about the quality. But all your words still are about the quality.
"You make all kinds of mistakes against logic just to make your point. (What has smoking to do with this board? Or with sharing music in general? Totally ridiculous!)"
What has your trading business that I don't care about to do with format of files on my PC? Could you please once answer that simple question I've asked you three times? Smoking has nothing to do with this board - you're right and that's why quality of files on my PC has nothing to do with this board or any QZers.
"You make it personal by saying my english is bad. To be honest with you: that makes me a bit angry."
I haven't said that. You're putting your own fears in my mouth. I wrote "yours and MY English is away from being perfect" which is not "bad and terrible". If you think that your English is perfect, I'm sorry for my words.
"I will not discuss things with people who hit below the belt."
It only proves that you can't answer my simple questions - they're out of logic, they're funny, they're wrong, i.e. you just can't answer them. Old and very well-known way how not to answer on the questions.[/QUOTE]I can easily answer your question: there's nothing wrong with mp3 on your pc. There's something wrong with mp3 on this board. People with bad intentions can download it and distribute these recordings as if they are lossless. That has happened many times.
And the discussion is not only about MP3 but also about people giving no info about their recordings whatsoever. For people like me(and I think many collectors do because it's nicer to hear a show in better quality than worse), who seek the best version possible of a show it is hard because there are numerous versions doing the rounds. Lossy and lossless ones. The problem is bigger than just lossy sharing. It's about the entire attitude. We have many shows with this lineage: AUD > ? > CD-R(x). We know nothing about that recording with that lineage and that's a pitty!
It's easy, if you want mp3 on your pc. You can downoad the flac files and convert for own use. This has been discussed many times before.
Collectors don't have a problem with that.
Collectors only have a problem with the sharing of lossy files on this(and other)site because it pollutes the trading pool. Simple as that. Now, what part is it that you don't WANT to understand?
I do not understand why you can not use a spectral analyzer.
I do not understand how you can attempt to impose your demands on Richard's website when mp3 sharing is clearly allowed here.
I do not understand how you can call for the ban of a legal product (mp3) that is used by millions worldwide.
I do not understand how you can attempt to impose your demands on Richard's website when mp3 sharing is clearly allowed here.
I do not understand how you can call for the ban of a legal product (mp3) that is used by millions worldwide.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<br><font size=1>The FLACer</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You haven't add anything new to this discussion except the many times repeated fact about quality. Though this discussion is not about the quality. But all your words still are about the quality.[/QUOTE]
It *is* all about the quality. You just refuse to see it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gym Bitch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I do not understand why you can not use a spectral analyzer.[/QUOTE]
We do use it. The point is, because this forum and the hub have allowed mp3 sharing, plenty of CDRs in the tradepool are mp3-sourced, which in turn has created a general distrust of Queen collectors, within and outside Queen collecting circles. Everyone with quality standards demands we use a spectral analyzer to prove that our recordings are lossless. However, in other communities, such as the Zeppelin and Genesis communities, people do not have such worries, because virtually everyone has quality standards, so they trust each other. What do you think it would take for us to reach that point? No need to answer. As usual, I'll outline every detail for you to read, and maybe you'll finally understand it.
The first step towards reaching that point is if people like you stop sharing mp3s here. The fact that you shared mp3s means the Chicago 82 "second generation tape > WAV > CDR (x) > WAV > ? > CDR (x) " cannot be inherently trusted to be lossless, because that question mark in the lineage could be either mp3 or FLAC. Some people downloaded the mp3s because the files are smaller, which they think are just as good (or almost as good, but not much worse, so who cares, right?).
Since this forum has no quality standards, another problem is that most people don't feel required to be educated on matters of documenting their recordings properly. Thus, the people who downloaded your mp3s with plans to trade will most likely burn them to CD, and document their mp3-sourced CDs as "Chicago 82, 2CD", because nobody advised them that such a thing may be a problem of some kind. I know it for a fact, because I've seen hundreds of collectors' lists, and that's what most of them look like. You're probably one of them. I've seen your topics here about quality, where you'd rate each show with a letter grade, regardless of which source, tape generation, and digital format you're rating.
So, if we all pull together, stop the spreading of mp3s, and distribute the best version of each show in a lossless format, then we won't have to worry about multiple versions of the same recording circulating in various formats. When that happens, everyone can be happy knowing they can trust that their fellow traders will add equally great recordings to their collections. Everyone wins.
[QUOTE]I do not understand how you can attempt to impose your demands on Richard's website when mp3 sharing is clearly allowed here.[/QUOTE]
Just because it's a rule doesn't mean it's correct. Your statement implies that all rules are inherently correct, and that anyone who challenges a rule is committing some kind of crime, regardless of the validity of the challenge.
[QUOTE]I do not understand how you can call for the ban of a legal product (mp3) that is used by millions worldwide.[/QUOTE]
And I do not understand how you have managed to read so selectively and remain so ignorant despite having been bombarded with logic on this subject matter for years. This topic and many other recent topics have all the reasons outlined in perfect black and white for everyone to understand.
Just because millions of people do something doesn't make it inherently right, and that all alternatives are inherently wrong. It takes more than a simple-minded person to be able to see that an alternative used by a smaller number of people has the potential of being a better alternative. Is meat-eating inherently correct on all levels because less people are v
It *is* all about the quality. You just refuse to see it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gym Bitch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I do not understand why you can not use a spectral analyzer.[/QUOTE]
We do use it. The point is, because this forum and the hub have allowed mp3 sharing, plenty of CDRs in the tradepool are mp3-sourced, which in turn has created a general distrust of Queen collectors, within and outside Queen collecting circles. Everyone with quality standards demands we use a spectral analyzer to prove that our recordings are lossless. However, in other communities, such as the Zeppelin and Genesis communities, people do not have such worries, because virtually everyone has quality standards, so they trust each other. What do you think it would take for us to reach that point? No need to answer. As usual, I'll outline every detail for you to read, and maybe you'll finally understand it.
The first step towards reaching that point is if people like you stop sharing mp3s here. The fact that you shared mp3s means the Chicago 82 "second generation tape > WAV > CDR (x) > WAV > ? > CDR (x) " cannot be inherently trusted to be lossless, because that question mark in the lineage could be either mp3 or FLAC. Some people downloaded the mp3s because the files are smaller, which they think are just as good (or almost as good, but not much worse, so who cares, right?).
Since this forum has no quality standards, another problem is that most people don't feel required to be educated on matters of documenting their recordings properly. Thus, the people who downloaded your mp3s with plans to trade will most likely burn them to CD, and document their mp3-sourced CDs as "Chicago 82, 2CD", because nobody advised them that such a thing may be a problem of some kind. I know it for a fact, because I've seen hundreds of collectors' lists, and that's what most of them look like. You're probably one of them. I've seen your topics here about quality, where you'd rate each show with a letter grade, regardless of which source, tape generation, and digital format you're rating.
So, if we all pull together, stop the spreading of mp3s, and distribute the best version of each show in a lossless format, then we won't have to worry about multiple versions of the same recording circulating in various formats. When that happens, everyone can be happy knowing they can trust that their fellow traders will add equally great recordings to their collections. Everyone wins.
[QUOTE]I do not understand how you can attempt to impose your demands on Richard's website when mp3 sharing is clearly allowed here.[/QUOTE]
Just because it's a rule doesn't mean it's correct. Your statement implies that all rules are inherently correct, and that anyone who challenges a rule is committing some kind of crime, regardless of the validity of the challenge.
[QUOTE]I do not understand how you can call for the ban of a legal product (mp3) that is used by millions worldwide.[/QUOTE]
And I do not understand how you have managed to read so selectively and remain so ignorant despite having been bombarded with logic on this subject matter for years. This topic and many other recent topics have all the reasons outlined in perfect black and white for everyone to understand.
Just because millions of people do something doesn't make it inherently right, and that all alternatives are inherently wrong. It takes more than a simple-minded person to be able to see that an alternative used by a smaller number of people has the potential of being a better alternative. Is meat-eating inherently correct on all levels because less people are v
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Gym Bitch wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I do not understand why you can not use a spectral analyzer.
I do not understand how you can attempt to impose your demands on Richard's website when mp3 sharing is clearly allowed here.
I do not understand how you can call for the ban of a legal product (mp3) that is used by millions worldwide.
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We do use a spectral analyser, but you have to agree that is very frustrating to send a bunch of shows to someone that you know are lossless and get back a bunch of MP3 sourced CD's in return, like I have. I only dis a couple of trades and already found myself in that situation.
Trust me it is not very pleasant. If you're lucky the person who sent the CD's didn't know it either and it usualy comes down to choosing something else.
I do not understand how you can attempt to impose your demands on Richard's website when mp3 sharing is clearly allowed here.
I do not understand how you can call for the ban of a legal product (mp3) that is used by millions worldwide.
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We do use a spectral analyser, but you have to agree that is very frustrating to send a bunch of shows to someone that you know are lossless and get back a bunch of MP3 sourced CD's in return, like I have. I only dis a couple of trades and already found myself in that situation.
Trust me it is not very pleasant. If you're lucky the person who sent the CD's didn't know it either and it usualy comes down to choosing something else.
If you are so afraid of receiving mp3 sourced recordings in a trade, why don't you insist on receiving an e-mailed wav sample before you agree to a trade?
Better yet, if the trader that you are dealing with is unknown to you, an established, respected trader, can tell the newbee trader up front that he will not mail his portion of the deal until the newbee's package has been delivered and evaluated to be what was promised.
There will always be bad traders. You can not eliminate bad traders by banning mp3.
You CAN, however, be virtually certain that what you trade, and what you receive in trade by taking a few minutes and religiously use a spectral analyzer.
Similarly, you can not ban or lock up every HIV positive person to prevent him or her from unprotected having sex with other people.
However, the proper use of condoms will be virtually certain to prevent the transmission of HIV to you.
Ultimately one can only control one's own actions. You can not control the actions of others with bans, jail time, or executions.
If one could truly contol the actions of others there would be zero crime (no illicit selling of drugs, no murders, no robberies, etc. etc).
Better yet, if the trader that you are dealing with is unknown to you, an established, respected trader, can tell the newbee trader up front that he will not mail his portion of the deal until the newbee's package has been delivered and evaluated to be what was promised.
There will always be bad traders. You can not eliminate bad traders by banning mp3.
You CAN, however, be virtually certain that what you trade, and what you receive in trade by taking a few minutes and religiously use a spectral analyzer.
Similarly, you can not ban or lock up every HIV positive person to prevent him or her from unprotected having sex with other people.
However, the proper use of condoms will be virtually certain to prevent the transmission of HIV to you.
Ultimately one can only control one's own actions. You can not control the actions of others with bans, jail time, or executions.
If one could truly contol the actions of others there would be zero crime (no illicit selling of drugs, no murders, no robberies, etc. etc).