ANNOUNCE: 1982-08-13 Chicago MP3

[QUOTE]Because trust is mandatory and once you have broken a rule you are out. Theres more trading going on than you ever heard about but we know who can be trusted. I tell you that a couple of mp3s on this site has *NOTHING* to do with it. These recordings are out anyway. Call us hoarders - your choice.

I may be anonymous for you but not for others.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea who you are but I fully agree with you. MP3s have nothing to do with people wanting or not wanting to share. And if people say they don't want to share because of the MP3s, then they simply lie or are paranoid (just like Jan indirectly pointed out earlier in this thread). I certainly don't wake up in the night, worrying that my recording might leak in inferior quality :-)))

(Btw. Bob, some of the concerts you mentioned... I also got them from the tapers themselves. Just a minor correction.)

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME](Btw. Bob, some of the concerts you mentioned... I also got them from the tapers themselves. Just a minor correction.)[/QUOTE]

No worries. I'm always happy to be corrected.

AS A QUEEN FAN WITH NO AXE TO GRIND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY POSITION TO THE DEBATE.
I INITIALLY TRIED TO DOWNLOAD THE MP3, NOT REALISING THAT THERE WAS A FLAC FILE AVAILABLE, BUT STOPPED AND DELETED THE DOWNLOAD AS SOON AS I READ THE COMMENTS FOLLOWING THE POST .
I WOULD LIKE ANYBODY WHO THINKS THEY CAN DEFEND GYM BITCH 'S POSITION TO DO SO.
I'M A NEWBIE WHO JUST WANTS TO GET AS MANY QUEEN
CONCERTS AS POSSIBLE ( PREFERABLY IN THE BEST QUALITY AVAILABLE).
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO WORK VERY HARD ON OUR BEHALF. A SIMPLE THANK YOU SEEMS TOTALLY INADEQUATE. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR BEING UPSET AT THE TOTAL ARROGANCE OF GYM BITYCH
WHAT GYM BITCH BRINGS TO THE PARTY SEEMS LIKE A TOTAL INSULT TO ALL THOSE WHO WORK TO INCREASE THE POOL AND QUALITY OF QUEEN RECORDINGS .
I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH GYM BITCH BUT I FEEL THAT IF HE WANTS TO OFFER INFERIOR QUALITY COPIES OF QUEEN CONCERTS, THEN THIS IS NOT THE PROPER FORUM FOR THEM.
I'M SURE THERE IS A BETTER LOCATION FOR THEM AND WOULD WILLINGLY OFFER LINKS TO THEM IF AVAILABLE.
BUT I MUST SAY THAT WHAT HE IS DOING AT PRESENT SEEMS LIKE A CALCULATED INSULT TO THOSE WHO STRIVE, AND WORK VERY HARD, TO SUPPLY A BETTER QUALITY PRODUCT.

PS.TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE CONCERTS THAT US THE PLEBS DON'T HAVE: I HOPE THAT YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THEM IS NOT ENHANCED BY YOUR PERCEIVED IMPRESSION THAT YOUR PLEASURE IS ENHANCED BECAUSE WE ARE SUFFERING FROM THE LACK OF THEM.
THE ONLY ENJOYMENT THAT ANYONE SHOULD GAIN FROM A QUEEN CONCERT, IS FROM THE MUSIC ITSELF.
ANYONE WHO THINKS OTHERWISE IS A PERVERT AND I CAN ONLY FEEL PITY FOR THEM

Cheers! The first post I ever read where the use of capital letters is adequate.

I still don't understand what's bad about MP3's made from the best available version. If somebody is not a trader, then there's *no point* in downloading FLAC for him. We all have MP3 players in our cars, personal MP3 players and heaps of MP3's on our computers. Most of us don't hear any difference at all between MP3's and FLAC, supposing they come from the same source. So why force people to download FLAC and then encode to MP3 when there's a simplier way?

Offering recordings in both FLAC and MP3 is the best way to preserve shows in lossless quality and in the same time offer an option for those with slow internet connection or/and zero trading ambitions.

[P.S. I don't download MP3's, I'm just trying to defend those who do.]

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I still don't understand what's bad about MP3's made from the best available version. [/QUOTE]
Absolutely nothing. The problem is that there is a big chance, that the person will burn it as an audio CD, than trade it, the receiver will make mp3s of it, the mp3s burn to audio and trade it, the new receiver will rip it to mp3s ...

[QUOTE]If somebody is not a trader, then there's *no point* in downloading FLAC for him. [/QUOTE]
Sure it is. A lot of "downloaders" are also "audiophiles" :)

[QUOTE]We all have MP3 players in our cars, personal MP3 players and heaps of MP3's on our computers. Most of us don't hear any difference at all between MP3's and FLAC, supposing they come from the same source. [/QUOTE]
Well I DO. I thought I can't here a difference, but I DO. I did a test with my friend, where I should say which songs are mp3 and which are flac. I was 100% successful.

[QUOTE]Offering recordings in both FLAC and MP3 is the best way to preserve shows in lossless quality and in the same time offer an option for those with slow internet connection or/and zero trading ambitions.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

[QUOTE] [P.S. I don't download MP3's, I'm just trying to defend those who do.][/QUOTE]
Come on, are you trying to tell us that there is also an other way how to get music than downloading ? :-)

That sounds like a realistic solution: If a file is offered in FLAC, I don't see any substantive argument to not offer the same file in MP3 format in the same thread. It's a bigger effort only for the uploader and saves some downloaders' (the ones that only want it for their ipod or have slow connections) time.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]pittrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The problem is that there is a big chance, that the person will burn it as an audio CD, than trade it, the receiver will make mp3s of it, the mp3s burn to audio and trade it, the new receiver will rip it to mp3s ...[/QUOTE]

So... you say the receiver of the audioCD will rip the audioCD to MP3's and then later burn an audioCD from the MP3's? Sounds pretty complicated to me :-))) Why would anybody do it? Or better - do you know traders who do it? :-)

Tht's exactly why I'm in favour of banning MP3 sharing. Nobody, who has the FLAC files, will convert them to MP3 prior to burning them to cd. But if he downloads MP3 files, the possibility, that he burns them to cd directly, is much higher. And at some point that cd will be ripped and converted to FLAC. And there you have it ...

A person with an average IQ would never burn MP3's to audioCD's. The resulting gaps between tracks are (as far as I know) something that has never been solved and there's no way how to get rid of it without any traces left, unless you edit the tracks in a sound editor first.

What gaps? When I was young and my hard disc space was limited I often burned mp3 files to audio cds (for my own use only!), and I never had gaps. Maybe that's a problem for some burning software, but it doesn't happen with iTunes and Toast on a Mac.

And it doesn't take a high IQ to find out that downloading a concert in mp3 format is much easier and faster than in FLAC – especially if you download it from a fileserver. Why bother with waiting, unzipping, joining files if you can get it with one click? Most people are lazy, so if they have the choice between FLAC and MP3, I bet a remarkable percentage would choose MP3. That's an issue we can't solve in any other way than banning MP3.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Nummer2 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What gaps?[/QUOTE]

About 1/20 of a second at the beginning of each mp3 file. Some encoders give a small gap at the end, too.