She was gang raped by seven men but because she was 'alone with an unrelated male', she'll receive 90 lashes and time in prison.
One of the reasons we were given for invading Iraq was to liberate the Iraqi people from an evil dictator. If we can fight a six year plus war for this reason, why can't we and the rest of the supposed civilized world at least condemn this so called justice?
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That's terrible. D:
Hey Magical
I promise I'll respond....when I have time :-S
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More details about this case on the Human Rights Watch website
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/11/16/saudia17363.htm
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries for a woman to live in. I don't even want to imagine the agony of this poor woman.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/11/16/saudia17363.htm
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries for a woman to live in. I don't even want to imagine the agony of this poor woman.
It's okay, just say there's oil under where it happened and you'll get people in there in no time.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]More details about this case on the Human Rights Watch website
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/11/16/saudia17363.htm
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According to this article, the case is a year old.
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Why are we just hearing about this now?
I didn't realize the 'unrelated male' she was with had also been punished with the same sentence as she. It's a disgusting system and while I understand there's a different mindset there with their religion and laws, I still find it impossible to understand how a mother or a father or a loving husband can remain silent and accepting of this treatment toward their loved one. I suppose it's the fear of what their own punishment would be. I'd think, with this form of justice, people would not want to create children. I'd die before I'd see my daughter (or son, for that matter) first assaulted by strangers then by the system.
I think this sentence from the article said everything -
“Their interrogations and court hearings are more likely to compound the trauma of the original assault than provide justice.”
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/11/16/saudia17363.htm
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According to this article, the case is a year old.
?!
Why are we just hearing about this now?
I didn't realize the 'unrelated male' she was with had also been punished with the same sentence as she. It's a disgusting system and while I understand there's a different mindset there with their religion and laws, I still find it impossible to understand how a mother or a father or a loving husband can remain silent and accepting of this treatment toward their loved one. I suppose it's the fear of what their own punishment would be. I'd think, with this form of justice, people would not want to create children. I'd die before I'd see my daughter (or son, for that matter) first assaulted by strangers then by the system.
I think this sentence from the article said everything -
“Their interrogations and court hearings are more likely to compound the trauma of the original assault than provide justice.”
The case is older but the verdict is new, it was an appeal. The woman - extremely courageously - appealed only to be punished even more. BBC also reported that victims and offenders all were Shiites, the minority in the country. Apparently, the rapists also got more jail time.
Why we did not hear about it? We did hear about it - now it has been reported in the mainstream media because the US administration said the verdict is "astonishing". Maybe the victim would have had a better chance if we all had been a bit more outspoken. There are just so many cases of ctruelty and injustice - it's almost impossible to keep track and the most urgent action is always taken in Death Penalty cases.
Why we did not hear about it? We did hear about it - now it has been reported in the mainstream media because the US administration said the verdict is "astonishing". Maybe the victim would have had a better chance if we all had been a bit more outspoken. There are just so many cases of ctruelty and injustice - it's almost impossible to keep track and the most urgent action is always taken in Death Penalty cases.
Not 90. Now she gets 200 lashes and has to walk the plank. Arrrrrr.
And it was increased, apparently, because she DID talk to the media.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries for a woman to live in.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Victim's husband says: [/QUOTENAME]Saudi society, he said, is "is very respectful to women in general." [/QUOTE]
Source: CNN
And it was increased, apparently, because she DID talk to the media.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries for a woman to live in.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Victim's husband says: [/QUOTENAME]Saudi society, he said, is "is very respectful to women in general." [/QUOTE]
Source: CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/11/21/robertson.saudi.rape.husband.cnn?iref=mpvideosview
Maybe there is hope, after all with the case getting more attention worldwide. Saudi Arabia does not want to be looked at as a country where women have no protection at all and the courage the husband may have an effect.
Maybe there is hope, after all with the case getting more attention worldwide. Saudi Arabia does not want to be looked at as a country where women have no protection at all and the courage the husband may have an effect.
I don't think Saudi Arabia is too worried about public perception. If anything, this will further their efforts of extreme islamism. How could the victim's husband make that "In General" statement about his country?
You see, women are property. Seeing these events will pound that point home. And I'm sure the aggressors will serve closer to the 2 years than the 9 years.
It's a different world over there. The religious rule is NO going out in public without a male companion. I guess that a similar comparison would be the religious nuts who burn down abortion clinics. There are plenty of "holy" people out there claiming it's God's work and the right thing to do.
Furthermore, pretty stupid of Hilary Clinton to come out and lash out at the Saudi government. So I guess we can strike her off the list of hopefuls now, also. What a dipshit. If she would have won, how would she diplomatically deal with Saudi Arabia after going on record with her latest rant?
It would probably be best to be glad it's not happening in our neighborhood and quit worrying what other countries do to their citizens.
You see, women are property. Seeing these events will pound that point home. And I'm sure the aggressors will serve closer to the 2 years than the 9 years.
It's a different world over there. The religious rule is NO going out in public without a male companion. I guess that a similar comparison would be the religious nuts who burn down abortion clinics. There are plenty of "holy" people out there claiming it's God's work and the right thing to do.
Furthermore, pretty stupid of Hilary Clinton to come out and lash out at the Saudi government. So I guess we can strike her off the list of hopefuls now, also. What a dipshit. If she would have won, how would she diplomatically deal with Saudi Arabia after going on record with her latest rant?
It would probably be best to be glad it's not happening in our neighborhood and quit worrying what other countries do to their citizens.
Well, now that I have more time to respond, most of what I wanted to say has already been said. I mean, Saudi Arabia is the country that is the birthplace and raising place of Osama bin Laden. Don't get me wrong, I'm as pro-Muslim as I can be considering I don't like any form of organized or unorganized religion, but this sad event unfortunately doesn't surprise me at all.
Can you imagine what they would do to Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Lindsay Lohan in Saudi Arabia?
( >-D ~ evil grin )
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Can you imagine what they would do to Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Lindsay Lohan in Saudi Arabia?
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Should we set up a collection on the internet, and hire them to appear at an imaginary event there? ;)
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Should we set up a collection on the internet, and hire them to appear at an imaginary event there? ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Can you imagine what they would do to Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Lindsay Lohan in Saudi Arabia?
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LMAO. :O
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LMAO. :O
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You see, women are property. Seeing these events will pound that point home. And I'm sure the aggressors will serve closer to the 2 years than the 9 years.
It's a different world over there. The religious rule is NO going out in public without a male companion. I guess that a similar comparison would be the religious nuts who burn down abortion clinics. There are plenty of "holy" people out there claiming it's God's work and the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I feel beyond awful for the woman on a human level, but if she was aware of the rules of her country and the consequences for breaking them, she shouldn't have left the home without her husband (apparently it is him who you must be with). I'm not condoning the rules. I'm just accepting that those are the rules, and that there's unfortunately no sign of the theocracy being eradicated any time soon.
It's a different world over there. The religious rule is NO going out in public without a male companion. I guess that a similar comparison would be the religious nuts who burn down abortion clinics. There are plenty of "holy" people out there claiming it's God's work and the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I feel beyond awful for the woman on a human level, but if she was aware of the rules of her country and the consequences for breaking them, she shouldn't have left the home without her husband (apparently it is him who you must be with). I'm not condoning the rules. I'm just accepting that those are the rules, and that there's unfortunately no sign of the theocracy being eradicated any time soon.