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[b]Sebastian wrote: [/b]
A song can be significant to anybody anywhere. Unless we actually make a census, we can't know for sure... so yes, [i]Break Free, Under Pressure[/i] or even [i]Great King Rat [/i]could have a special meaning for somebody under San Yu's, Mohamed Khouna Ould Haidalla's or now Roberto Micheletti's governments, and none for others under the same circumstances.
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Thanks for clearing that up (scratches head) ...
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Look how well Queen do without him and you'll see how "overrated" he was.
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[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
Look how well Queen do without him and you'll see how "overrated" he was.
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This makes sense if you look at how dodgy TCR was (or could be perceived as .. I don't want to get into another discussion about that album) but I think the gist of the thread is an evaluation of the band when all 4 were still around.
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[/QUOTE]I think there is merit to the theory that some people view him as more important than he was - and I don't think it's denigrating Freddie at all to say that. They were all important to the band. End of. !!![/QUOTE]
[b]Ken8 wrote: [/b]
Look how well Queen do without him and you'll see how "overrated" he was.
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This makes sense if you look at how dodgy TCR was (or could be perceived as .. I don't want to get into another discussion about that album) but I think the gist of the thread is an evaluation of the band when all 4 were still around.
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[/QUOTE]I think there is merit to the theory that some people view him as more important than he was - and I don't think it's denigrating Freddie at all to say that. They were all important to the band. End of. !!![/QUOTE]
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[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
I mean, after all, he knew Brian and Roger and he knew their music before he asked them if he could join the band. He had his ideas and he knew what he wanted. If there hadn't been a Brian and a Roger, he would have looked for other musicians capable of doing what he wanted to do.
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Assuming that's the case, how many other guys like Brian May were there in the 70s? Not only with his melodic style, but his arrangement abilities and tone?
And I still contend that BoRhap would not have been BoRhap without Roger's voice in there. The distinct differences in their three voices was its very charm.
[/QUOTE] I guess none, of course. Not in the 70's, at least. Even tho they're a big part of the Queen sound there are much much less guitar harmonies than one may think. And they never are a VITAL part of the song, they appear at certain point but they don't carry the song, you know.
Don't Stop Me Now is perfect as it is. The solo is great, of course... but it's not somethng the song couldn't do without, as it barely has guitar. We Are The Champions has great guitar parts but it's not something Freddie couldn't come up with and give somebody else to play. Bo Rhap was Freddie's idea... so he just had to fine somebody to play the guitar parts they way he wanted.
That's my point.
[b]Sir GH wrote: [/b]
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
I mean, after all, he knew Brian and Roger and he knew their music before he asked them if he could join the band. He had his ideas and he knew what he wanted. If there hadn't been a Brian and a Roger, he would have looked for other musicians capable of doing what he wanted to do.
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Assuming that's the case, how many other guys like Brian May were there in the 70s? Not only with his melodic style, but his arrangement abilities and tone?
And I still contend that BoRhap would not have been BoRhap without Roger's voice in there. The distinct differences in their three voices was its very charm.
[/QUOTE] I guess none, of course. Not in the 70's, at least. Even tho they're a big part of the Queen sound there are much much less guitar harmonies than one may think. And they never are a VITAL part of the song, they appear at certain point but they don't carry the song, you know.
Don't Stop Me Now is perfect as it is. The solo is great, of course... but it's not somethng the song couldn't do without, as it barely has guitar. We Are The Champions has great guitar parts but it's not something Freddie couldn't come up with and give somebody else to play. Bo Rhap was Freddie's idea... so he just had to fine somebody to play the guitar parts they way he wanted.
That's my point.
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
Don't Stop Me Now is perfect as it is. The solo is great, of course... but it's not somethng the song couldn't do without, as it barely has guitar. We Are The Champions has great guitar parts but it's not something Freddie couldn't come up with and give somebody else to play. Bo Rhap was Freddie's idea... so he just had to fine somebody to play the guitar parts they way he wanted.
That's my point.
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And what if Freddie's vision of the guitar parts "the way he wanted" grew from years and years of proximity to unique and inspired guitar work by Brian May? It's all a continuum, and a constantly evolving aggregate of innate gift, experience (chance and otherwise), musical influence (conscious and otherwise), the zeitgeist and on and on. No band has indicated more often or more clearly or more correctly that they were a whole that was bigger than the sum of it's parts.
[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
Don't Stop Me Now is perfect as it is. The solo is great, of course... but it's not somethng the song couldn't do without, as it barely has guitar. We Are The Champions has great guitar parts but it's not something Freddie couldn't come up with and give somebody else to play. Bo Rhap was Freddie's idea... so he just had to fine somebody to play the guitar parts they way he wanted.
That's my point.
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And what if Freddie's vision of the guitar parts "the way he wanted" grew from years and years of proximity to unique and inspired guitar work by Brian May? It's all a continuum, and a constantly evolving aggregate of innate gift, experience (chance and otherwise), musical influence (conscious and otherwise), the zeitgeist and on and on. No band has indicated more often or more clearly or more correctly that they were a whole that was bigger than the sum of it's parts.
Well, you see... Brian without Freddie, called Paul Rodgers to sing. It's obvious Brian doesn't have a fucking clue of what a singer should be. He thinks Paul is great and, what's even worse, he doesn't even think of himself as a good singer.
Freddie had the vision. Brian... he just had the guitar and good ideas.
Freddie had the vision. Brian... he just had the guitar and good ideas.
Ha, I just noticed what says your signature: "21/11/08 Saw Brian May live. Best night of my life."
It's kinda funny...
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm out of here.
It's kinda funny...
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm out of here.
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[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b]
And what if Freddie's vision of the guitar parts "the way he wanted" grew from years and years of proximity to unique and inspired guitar work by Brian May? It's all a continuum, and a constantly evolving aggregate of innate gift, experience (chance and otherwise), musical influence (conscious and otherwise), the zeitgeist and on and on. No band has indicated more often or more clearly or more correctly that they were a whole that was bigger than the sum of it's parts.
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Perfectly stated. In fact, I don't think anyone aside from the band members themselves has ever stated what Queen were in a nutshell so accurately.
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And what if Freddie's vision of the guitar parts "the way he wanted" grew from years and years of proximity to unique and inspired guitar work by Brian May? It's all a continuum, and a constantly evolving aggregate of innate gift, experience (chance and otherwise), musical influence (conscious and otherwise), the zeitgeist and on and on. No band has indicated more often or more clearly or more correctly that they were a whole that was bigger than the sum of it's parts.
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Perfectly stated. In fact, I don't think anyone aside from the band members themselves has ever stated what Queen were in a nutshell so accurately.
Hmmm, I dont think its really fair to compare the solo albums with the queen albums.. The solo albums, i think im assuming right, were a way of doing stuff without the queen machine and without the "trademark" sound or should i say it was a reaction to the queen way of writing and the queen way of doing things. We'll never know if freddie thought "lets start this album with lets turn it on, haha, i could never do that in queen".
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[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b]
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
Don't Stop Me Now is perfect as it is. The solo is great, of course... but it's not somethng the song couldn't do without, as it barely has guitar. We Are The Champions has great guitar parts but it's not something Freddie couldn't come up with and give somebody else to play. Bo Rhap was Freddie's idea... so he just had to fine somebody to play the guitar parts they way he wanted.
That's my point.
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And what if Freddie's vision of the guitar parts "the way he wanted" grew from years and years of proximity to unique and inspired guitar work by Brian May? It's all a continuum, and a constantly evolving aggregate of innate gift, experience (chance and otherwise), musical influence (conscious and otherwise), the zeitgeist and on and on. No band has indicated more often or more clearly or more correctly that they were a whole that was bigger than the sum of its parts.
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Post of the month.
[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b]
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
Don't Stop Me Now is perfect as it is. The solo is great, of course... but it's not somethng the song couldn't do without, as it barely has guitar. We Are The Champions has great guitar parts but it's not something Freddie couldn't come up with and give somebody else to play. Bo Rhap was Freddie's idea... so he just had to fine somebody to play the guitar parts they way he wanted.
That's my point.
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And what if Freddie's vision of the guitar parts "the way he wanted" grew from years and years of proximity to unique and inspired guitar work by Brian May? It's all a continuum, and a constantly evolving aggregate of innate gift, experience (chance and otherwise), musical influence (conscious and otherwise), the zeitgeist and on and on. No band has indicated more often or more clearly or more correctly that they were a whole that was bigger than the sum of its parts.
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Post of the month.
I don't really think Freddie was overrated, when asked whether he was the leader he replied "No! I am 25% of the band, I am not the leader!!". Freddie was very very very important, live and in the studio, because he gave the music a lot of energy and life, and live, he was irreplaceable. But some people consider him to be better than the others, but he is not, not really. He was one of four people, not he as a singer with his backing band. He has been overrated, but only by media. I do not think he is any way overrated.
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[b]dragon-fly wrote: [/b]
Ha, I just noticed what says your signature: "21/11/08 Saw Brian May live. Best night of my life."
It's kinda funny...
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm out of here.
[/QUOTE] And your point is...?
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On the other hand, what I'm saying is that Freddie was, by fucking far, the most important part of Queen.
[b]dragon-fly wrote: [/b]
Ha, I just noticed what says your signature: "21/11/08 Saw Brian May live. Best night of my life."
It's kinda funny...
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm out of here.
[/QUOTE] And your point is...?
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On the other hand, what I'm saying is that Freddie was, by fucking far, the most important part of Queen.
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
On the other hand, what I'm saying is that Freddie was, by fucking far, the most important part of Queen.
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I don't think anyone's debating that.
We were discussing whether or not Queen would have had the same end result with three other musicians in the band. That's a whole different story, and it seems you're on your own with that one.
[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
On the other hand, what I'm saying is that Freddie was, by fucking far, the most important part of Queen.
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I don't think anyone's debating that.
We were discussing whether or not Queen would have had the same end result with three other musicians in the band. That's a whole different story, and it seems you're on your own with that one.
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[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
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[b]dragon-fly wrote: [/b]
Ha, I just noticed what says your signature: "21/11/08 Saw Brian May live. Best night of my life."
It's kinda funny...
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm out of here.
[/QUOTE] And your point is...?
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On the other hand, what I'm saying is that Freddie was, by fucking far, the most important part of Queen.
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yes he was!....history has proven that, but if you think session musicians could do the same Job brian, roger and John did your nuts!....Especially brian may who many consider a top 10 or 15 best rock guitarist , and who's style fit perfectly with freddie's. Best example is the millionaire waltz. Brilliant work from both freddie and brian. No other guitarist could have gave that song the sound it needed.
[b]Funky Horsie wrote: [/b]
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[b]dragon-fly wrote: [/b]
Ha, I just noticed what says your signature: "21/11/08 Saw Brian May live. Best night of my life."
It's kinda funny...
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm out of here.
[/QUOTE] And your point is...?
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On the other hand, what I'm saying is that Freddie was, by fucking far, the most important part of Queen.
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yes he was!....history has proven that, but if you think session musicians could do the same Job brian, roger and John did your nuts!....Especially brian may who many consider a top 10 or 15 best rock guitarist , and who's style fit perfectly with freddie's. Best example is the millionaire waltz. Brilliant work from both freddie and brian. No other guitarist could have gave that song the sound it needed.
There's no way we could know if 'no other guitarist...', since things happened the way they did. Had it originally been done with, say, Mick Ronson, we'd probably be here saying 'only Mick could've done it, nobody else', and so on.