Holly2003,
re:
>>In any event, it's quite possible if Fred were still alive Queen would be producing records you didn't like anyway. In addition, Brian & Roger are getting on a bit: they won't always be with us. You can either accept (if not appreciate or like) what they are doing now, instead of what you want them to be doing, or you're always going to be disappointed.
Never has a truer word been spoken here. The album will come out whatever you, I or anyone else thinks and it'll be there for us to buy and digest as we wish. If we like it, great; if we dont, great. We'll have plenty of discussion about it also.
Queen + Paul Rodgers will be happy with what's there and if we have issues then I'm sure they won't mind too much, will they.......
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] There will never be another Queen II or News of the World.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately bands develop rabid fans, as this site suggests, that can't seem to grasp that thought. One thing they seem to forget is the evolutionary process this band went thru. EVERY album was different, some quite more than others. Yet too many people want the same churned out material. See Maroon 5.
I think it's perfectly OK for Brenski (and others) to NOT like the song. I can honestly say that I didn't, in some form, enjoy every Queen track on every album. After nearly thirty years of being a fan, I have grown to know every song. Are they all good? Actually, yes, I think they are in their own individual way.
Perhaps, Brenski, one day you will enjoy the song, in some fashion. That's the greatness of Queen and other bands who have gone on after the loss of a key member.
Unfortunately bands develop rabid fans, as this site suggests, that can't seem to grasp that thought. One thing they seem to forget is the evolutionary process this band went thru. EVERY album was different, some quite more than others. Yet too many people want the same churned out material. See Maroon 5.
I think it's perfectly OK for Brenski (and others) to NOT like the song. I can honestly say that I didn't, in some form, enjoy every Queen track on every album. After nearly thirty years of being a fan, I have grown to know every song. Are they all good? Actually, yes, I think they are in their own individual way.
Perhaps, Brenski, one day you will enjoy the song, in some fashion. That's the greatness of Queen and other bands who have gone on after the loss of a key member.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] there was a time when I was as angry as some of you about what Queen were doing, whether that was GH3, collaborations with crappy pop groups, or the choice of Paul Rodgers as lead singer. [/QUOTE]
You have a lot of good points which everyone on this board should probably read, but there is one major problem with it... Who exactly are you trying to address here? Or is this another genuine rant which doesn't really have that much to do with the original topic? :P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Now I have learned to accept something: it is what it is. There will never be another Queen II or News of the World. There will, however, be some new music by Brian & Roger, two people I feel I've grown up with over the years. Roger & Brian are not the same people they were 20 years ago. In that regard, some of you have really unrealisic expectations. [/QUOTE]
A lot of people on this message board were very disappointed that Queen evolved at all after 1978, and now some of these people are the most enthusiastic supporters of Brian and Roger's right to change with their music... I'm thinking that such a contradiction is either the result of being a bigger fan of Brian May than Queen, or it's a sort of remorse (and subsequent overcompensation) for not sticking with Queen when they were genuinely evolving earlier.
No one has denied Brian and Roger the right to release new material, or even working with Paul Rodgers. Very few people have been expecting a new Queen II (for the simple reason that this is an entirely different band), and have been judging the band by its output. Here it is in all its ugly truth again: Q+PR has had one tour where the band sounded more like a tribute band than legends of rock. They've released one single, the likes of which barely made the Works album (arguable their worst) back in 1984. I'm sorry, but the realistic expectations with those merits are not good.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] In any event, it's quite possible if Fred were still alive Queen would be producing records you didn't like anyway. In addition, Brian & Roger are getting on a bit: they won't always be with us. You can either accept (if not appreciate or like) what they are doing now, instead of what you want them to be doing, or you're always going to be disappointed.[/QUOTE]
Back in the 80's Queen WERE making records with Fred which some of the fans hated. That's nothing new. Different people were expected to have different opinions even then. So what's different this time around is that Brian and Roger already have one foot in their respective graves, and that's why we should gladly accept whatever they do? I don't buy that for a second.
They are musicians whose every piece of work is free to be critisised as well as applauded, and should be compared to their peers as well as their previous work. Brian and Roger have brought most of the critique upon themselves by choosing to use the name they do in an effort to drive the stakes up. They've chosen the big boys game, and that's what they're going to get even when they lose a hand like they did with SINT. You can't have the fans yelling out "it was a practice round, give the senior citizens a break!" every time they happen lose, because that wouldn't be fair to the other players.
You have a lot of good points which everyone on this board should probably read, but there is one major problem with it... Who exactly are you trying to address here? Or is this another genuine rant which doesn't really have that much to do with the original topic? :P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] Now I have learned to accept something: it is what it is. There will never be another Queen II or News of the World. There will, however, be some new music by Brian & Roger, two people I feel I've grown up with over the years. Roger & Brian are not the same people they were 20 years ago. In that regard, some of you have really unrealisic expectations. [/QUOTE]
A lot of people on this message board were very disappointed that Queen evolved at all after 1978, and now some of these people are the most enthusiastic supporters of Brian and Roger's right to change with their music... I'm thinking that such a contradiction is either the result of being a bigger fan of Brian May than Queen, or it's a sort of remorse (and subsequent overcompensation) for not sticking with Queen when they were genuinely evolving earlier.
No one has denied Brian and Roger the right to release new material, or even working with Paul Rodgers. Very few people have been expecting a new Queen II (for the simple reason that this is an entirely different band), and have been judging the band by its output. Here it is in all its ugly truth again: Q+PR has had one tour where the band sounded more like a tribute band than legends of rock. They've released one single, the likes of which barely made the Works album (arguable their worst) back in 1984. I'm sorry, but the realistic expectations with those merits are not good.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME] In any event, it's quite possible if Fred were still alive Queen would be producing records you didn't like anyway. In addition, Brian & Roger are getting on a bit: they won't always be with us. You can either accept (if not appreciate or like) what they are doing now, instead of what you want them to be doing, or you're always going to be disappointed.[/QUOTE]
Back in the 80's Queen WERE making records with Fred which some of the fans hated. That's nothing new. Different people were expected to have different opinions even then. So what's different this time around is that Brian and Roger already have one foot in their respective graves, and that's why we should gladly accept whatever they do? I don't buy that for a second.
They are musicians whose every piece of work is free to be critisised as well as applauded, and should be compared to their peers as well as their previous work. Brian and Roger have brought most of the critique upon themselves by choosing to use the name they do in an effort to drive the stakes up. They've chosen the big boys game, and that's what they're going to get even when they lose a hand like they did with SINT. You can't have the fans yelling out "it was a practice round, give the senior citizens a break!" every time they happen lose, because that wouldn't be fair to the other players.
i think there are some people who are completely misinterpreting what i have said...so for one final time
queen evolved...and as they eveolved so did i, i was a fan from '74 right thru to now.
yes of course i liked the 70s stuff (it was their "caviar") - along the way there's also been some "cheap tinned roe"...tjhat doesn't make either better than the other...in fact it's got nothing to do with it sounding "more early queen" - i couldn't give a toss which "fish" it comes from.......it's the "fucking taste" of this i don't like...
SINT is too smile-like for me, i hate that sound....the chart references were really just an attempt to illustrate that people might prefer a 30-yr old taste to this particular one
queen evolved...and as they eveolved so did i, i was a fan from '74 right thru to now.
yes of course i liked the 70s stuff (it was their "caviar") - along the way there's also been some "cheap tinned roe"...tjhat doesn't make either better than the other...in fact it's got nothing to do with it sounding "more early queen" - i couldn't give a toss which "fish" it comes from.......it's the "fucking taste" of this i don't like...
SINT is too smile-like for me, i hate that sound....the chart references were really just an attempt to illustrate that people might prefer a 30-yr old taste to this particular one
In this day and age the chars are NOT based on physical sales alone.
At least, in the Netherlands they also take (legal) downloads and airplay on the radio in to account.
At least, in the Netherlands they also take (legal) downloads and airplay on the radio in to account.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Brenski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i think there are some people who are completely misinterpreting what i have said...[/QUOTE]
I think I understood you, I just think that, as a fellow fan, this song might grow on you one day, but it's perfectly OK not to like a song, that's all.
I think I understood you, I just think that, as a fellow fan, this song might grow on you one day, but it's perfectly OK not to like a song, that's all.
SINT just isn't a great track.
It sounds like a Roger solo effort and would have fitted nicely on one of his albums. I don't like the new arrangement, it's too overblown for such an average song.
It sounds like a Roger solo effort and would have fitted nicely on one of his albums. I don't like the new arrangement, it's too overblown for such an average song.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]drwinston wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry, but I can't figure out what DSMN is - anyone?[/QUOTE]
Don't Try Suicide-
Oh. wait. Nevermind, I thought I was onto something there.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to figure it out.... i probably should go look at all my albums.
Don't Try Suicide-
Oh. wait. Nevermind, I thought I was onto something there.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to figure it out.... i probably should go look at all my albums.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]castaway_girl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]drwinston wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry, but I can't figure out what DSMN is - anyone?[/QUOTE]
Don't Try Suicide-
Oh. wait. Nevermind, I thought I was onto something there.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to figure it out.... i probably should go look at all my albums.[/QUOTE]
"Don't Stop Me Now" ;)
V.
Don't Try Suicide-
Oh. wait. Nevermind, I thought I was onto something there.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to figure it out.... i probably should go look at all my albums.[/QUOTE]
"Don't Stop Me Now" ;)
V.
I actually thought my post might've given it away, but no matter!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Brian_Mays_Wig wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I agree with everything you say Brenski. It saddens me to see 2 ageing men pissing all over the Queen name. Good on John Deacon.
Previous Brian/Roger collaborations:
Thank God its Christmas and Machines.
Cant wait for the new album. (honest).......not.[/QUOTE]
i'd rather people with opinions like yours DIDN'T agree with me, if it's all the same. My views were objective... - Roger and Bri have every right to carry on working as Queen, and when they produce somehting i like, then i'll buy it.
your opinion is they have NO RIGHT to carry on as Queen...you're just a fekkin music nazi, no better than Treasure Midget and his band of idiots...
Previous Brian/Roger collaborations:
Thank God its Christmas and Machines.
Cant wait for the new album. (honest).......not.[/QUOTE]
i'd rather people with opinions like yours DIDN'T agree with me, if it's all the same. My views were objective... - Roger and Bri have every right to carry on working as Queen, and when they produce somehting i like, then i'll buy it.
your opinion is they have NO RIGHT to carry on as Queen...you're just a fekkin music nazi, no better than Treasure Midget and his band of idiots...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I actually thought my post might've given it away, but no matter![/QUOTE]
far to subtle
far to subtle
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The music might be new (well, only a few years old anyway...) but hardly exciting. There's a reason why Is This The World We Created wasn't a single in 1984, and for that same reason Say It's Not True shouldn't have been a single either. It might have a nice sentiment, but it's just not a particularily good song.
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Well said. I just can't understand why they released this song as a single. To give it away as a free download was a nice gesture, but do they really think this song is the best choise for a single release?? Let's face it, SINT is a simple, four chord deal with bad production. Brian's guitar might be a big part of creating that famous Queen sound, but Queen was also known for complex compositions & great arrangements, big vocal harmonies, catchy melodies... Sadly, SINT doesn't have any of those qualities. Imo, SINT was a very bad choise for a first single. Especially so, if they want to promote the forthcoming album with this release.
I believe (well, I want to believe) they have better songs than SINT in the forthcoming album. After all, Brian and Roger are good composers (we can't deny that). I'm not sure they have anything commercial/potential big hit, but I still expect a lot from these guys.
And let's not forget that Brian and Roger creating new stuff with Paul is 1000 times more interesting than anything they did in 1998-2004. I think many people have forgotten those days when "new Queen stuff" meant collaborations with 5ive or Britney Spears & Co.
The music might be new (well, only a few years old anyway...) but hardly exciting. There's a reason why Is This The World We Created wasn't a single in 1984, and for that same reason Say It's Not True shouldn't have been a single either. It might have a nice sentiment, but it's just not a particularily good song.
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Well said. I just can't understand why they released this song as a single. To give it away as a free download was a nice gesture, but do they really think this song is the best choise for a single release?? Let's face it, SINT is a simple, four chord deal with bad production. Brian's guitar might be a big part of creating that famous Queen sound, but Queen was also known for complex compositions & great arrangements, big vocal harmonies, catchy melodies... Sadly, SINT doesn't have any of those qualities. Imo, SINT was a very bad choise for a first single. Especially so, if they want to promote the forthcoming album with this release.
I believe (well, I want to believe) they have better songs than SINT in the forthcoming album. After all, Brian and Roger are good composers (we can't deny that). I'm not sure they have anything commercial/potential big hit, but I still expect a lot from these guys.
And let's not forget that Brian and Roger creating new stuff with Paul is 1000 times more interesting than anything they did in 1998-2004. I think many people have forgotten those days when "new Queen stuff" meant collaborations with 5ive or Britney Spears & Co.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]August R. wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The music might be new (well, only a few years old anyway...) but hardly exciting. There's a reason why Is This The World We Created wasn't a single in 1984, and for that same reason Say It's Not True shouldn't have been a single either. It might have a nice sentiment, but it's just not a particularily good song.
[/QUOTE]
Well said. I just can't understand why they released this song as a single. To give it away as a free download was a nice gesture, but do they really think this song is the best choise for a single release?? Let's face it, SINT is a simple, four chord deal with bad production. Brian's guitar might be a big part of creating that famous Queen sound, but Queen was also known for complex compositions & great arrangements, big vocal harmonies, catchy melodies... Sadly, SINT doesn't have any of those qualities. Imo, SINT was a very bad choise for a first single. Especially so, if they want to promote the forthcoming album with this release. [/QUOTE]
Similarities between SINT and TATDOOL:
- Both were written by Roger Taylor
- Both are harmonically simple, with only a few chords
- Both have a simple melody
- None feature "big vocal harmonies"
- No "special" lead guitar work, only a simple "Brian May-esque" solo and a couple of fills
- Keyboard/synth
Is TATDOOL bad?
The music might be new (well, only a few years old anyway...) but hardly exciting. There's a reason why Is This The World We Created wasn't a single in 1984, and for that same reason Say It's Not True shouldn't have been a single either. It might have a nice sentiment, but it's just not a particularily good song.
[/QUOTE]
Well said. I just can't understand why they released this song as a single. To give it away as a free download was a nice gesture, but do they really think this song is the best choise for a single release?? Let's face it, SINT is a simple, four chord deal with bad production. Brian's guitar might be a big part of creating that famous Queen sound, but Queen was also known for complex compositions & great arrangements, big vocal harmonies, catchy melodies... Sadly, SINT doesn't have any of those qualities. Imo, SINT was a very bad choise for a first single. Especially so, if they want to promote the forthcoming album with this release. [/QUOTE]
Similarities between SINT and TATDOOL:
- Both were written by Roger Taylor
- Both are harmonically simple, with only a few chords
- Both have a simple melody
- None feature "big vocal harmonies"
- No "special" lead guitar work, only a simple "Brian May-esque" solo and a couple of fills
- Keyboard/synth
Is TATDOOL bad?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]August R. wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The music might be new (well, only a few years old anyway...) but hardly exciting. There's a reason why Is This The World We Created wasn't a single in 1984, and for that same reason Say It's Not True shouldn't have been a single either. It might have a nice sentiment, but it's just not a particularily good song.
[/QUOTE]
Well said. I just can't understand why they released this song as a single. To give it away as a free download was a nice gesture, but do they really think this song is the best choise for a single release?? Let's face it, SINT is a simple, four chord deal with bad production. Brian's guitar might be a big part of creating that famous Queen sound, but Queen was also known for complex compositions & great arrangements, big vocal harmonies, catchy melodies... Sadly, SINT doesn't have any of those qualities. Imo, SINT was a very bad choise for a first single. Especially so, if they want to promote the forthcoming album with this release. [/QUOTE]
Similarities between SINT and TATDOOL:
- Both were written by Roger Taylor
- Both are harmonically simple, with only a few chords
- Both have a simple melody
- None feature "big vocal harmonies"
- No "special" lead guitar work, only a simple "Brian May-esque" solo and a couple of fills
- Keyboard/synth
Is TATDOOL bad?[/QUOTE]
Body Language has exactly the same similarities you mention, except that it was written by Freddie and not by Roger.
Is Body Language bad?
The music might be new (well, only a few years old anyway...) but hardly exciting. There's a reason why Is This The World We Created wasn't a single in 1984, and for that same reason Say It's Not True shouldn't have been a single either. It might have a nice sentiment, but it's just not a particularily good song.
[/QUOTE]
Well said. I just can't understand why they released this song as a single. To give it away as a free download was a nice gesture, but do they really think this song is the best choise for a single release?? Let's face it, SINT is a simple, four chord deal with bad production. Brian's guitar might be a big part of creating that famous Queen sound, but Queen was also known for complex compositions & great arrangements, big vocal harmonies, catchy melodies... Sadly, SINT doesn't have any of those qualities. Imo, SINT was a very bad choise for a first single. Especially so, if they want to promote the forthcoming album with this release. [/QUOTE]
Similarities between SINT and TATDOOL:
- Both were written by Roger Taylor
- Both are harmonically simple, with only a few chords
- Both have a simple melody
- None feature "big vocal harmonies"
- No "special" lead guitar work, only a simple "Brian May-esque" solo and a couple of fills
- Keyboard/synth
Is TATDOOL bad?[/QUOTE]
Body Language has exactly the same similarities you mention, except that it was written by Freddie and not by Roger.
Is Body Language bad?