If $200 is too much to invest, I suggest you're not that serious about what you're asking.
With an external mic, that Zoom H2 looks like a decent option.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If $200 is too much to invest, I suggest you're not that serious about what you're asking.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
And that's around, if not more on how much I spent on the microphones, battery module (= signal booster), and the Sony Hi-MD recorder I got back in June last year, though actually I prefer the Roland Edirol R-09 digital SD card-based recorders....THOSE will record in 48/24 quality, and I've never been disappointed in their quality :)
If you can find one for rental, since a new one goes for at least $200-$300 US brand new, it's worth it if you're doing just a few shows or less in one year (I'm lucky that a music store here in town actually rents these...)
If you plan to record more than several shows in a year and over time, it's worth it to buy it with the microphones and battery module.
Oh and I do apologize, I forgot to mention the battery modules previously....this is what I use since I use the line-in ports on the recorders:
http://www.microphonemadness.com/categories/battery_filter_module_stereo.html
MM-CBM-Mini Miniature Classic Battery / Filter module
Regular Price: US$ 69.95 / Sale Price: US$ 49.95
These are essential for stereo line-in recordings, as the microphone signal is too weak for line-in ports, and it's not a good idea to use microphone in ports as, even though those have an internal signal booster, it's in mono only and can get more easily distorted, which I prefer to avoid (plus, I hate mono quality)
If you have an account at DimeADozen, look for a Police boot called "Live At Commonwealth Stadium", from Edmonton, Canada...that was the first show I booted in 2007. (I've also booted Roger Waters, Spice Girls (in Vancouver), and Van Halen, but I've not uploaded those yet)
Indeed.
And that's around, if not more on how much I spent on the microphones, battery module (= signal booster), and the Sony Hi-MD recorder I got back in June last year, though actually I prefer the Roland Edirol R-09 digital SD card-based recorders....THOSE will record in 48/24 quality, and I've never been disappointed in their quality :)
If you can find one for rental, since a new one goes for at least $200-$300 US brand new, it's worth it if you're doing just a few shows or less in one year (I'm lucky that a music store here in town actually rents these...)
If you plan to record more than several shows in a year and over time, it's worth it to buy it with the microphones and battery module.
Oh and I do apologize, I forgot to mention the battery modules previously....this is what I use since I use the line-in ports on the recorders:
http://www.microphonemadness.com/categories/battery_filter_module_stereo.html
MM-CBM-Mini Miniature Classic Battery / Filter module
Regular Price: US$ 69.95 / Sale Price: US$ 49.95
These are essential for stereo line-in recordings, as the microphone signal is too weak for line-in ports, and it's not a good idea to use microphone in ports as, even though those have an internal signal booster, it's in mono only and can get more easily distorted, which I prefer to avoid (plus, I hate mono quality)
If you have an account at DimeADozen, look for a Police boot called "Live At Commonwealth Stadium", from Edmonton, Canada...that was the first show I booted in 2007. (I've also booted Roger Waters, Spice Girls (in Vancouver), and Van Halen, but I've not uploaded those yet)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If $200 is too much to invest, I suggest you're not that serious about what you're asking.
With an external mic, that Zoom H2 looks like a decent option.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean is too much, I mean I haven't got the money at the time and probabily if I buy next Christmas; I'm 16, I don't have a work and I can't spend 200$ (134€) at the time.
The Zoom sounds good, I might try to buy it with an external mic...thank you Inu-liger for your advice, but I don't really like Roland/Boss products...
Thank you for your thoughts guys, now it's time to save money! :-)
Riccardo
With an external mic, that Zoom H2 looks like a decent option.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean is too much, I mean I haven't got the money at the time and probabily if I buy next Christmas; I'm 16, I don't have a work and I can't spend 200$ (134€) at the time.
The Zoom sounds good, I might try to buy it with an external mic...thank you Inu-liger for your advice, but I don't really like Roland/Boss products...
Thank you for your thoughts guys, now it's time to save money! :-)
Riccardo
So let me sum up, one of the god options for recording the Queen shows is :
A Zoom H2 (found around 200 €)
A 8GB SD card (found around 30 €)
An external mic Sony EMC-719 (around 85 €)
A MM CMB Mini Miniature Classic Battery / Filter Module (around 40 €)
Is it all needed ? I heard some negative reviews about the Sony external mic, what could be a good alternative to this one ?
Is there anything we should know about this material and the configuration we need or have to avoid to use ?
And last question, where is the best place to record a Queen show ? Is it in front of the stage, or close to the soundboard ?
I had never recorded any show before, but I would be pleased to record some of the gigs this year. But I'm a newbie and would be glad to have some help from the experts here !!
Regards,
Olivier,
France.
A Zoom H2 (found around 200 €)
A 8GB SD card (found around 30 €)
An external mic Sony EMC-719 (around 85 €)
A MM CMB Mini Miniature Classic Battery / Filter Module (around 40 €)
Is it all needed ? I heard some negative reviews about the Sony external mic, what could be a good alternative to this one ?
Is there anything we should know about this material and the configuration we need or have to avoid to use ?
And last question, where is the best place to record a Queen show ? Is it in front of the stage, or close to the soundboard ?
I had never recorded any show before, but I would be pleased to record some of the gigs this year. But I'm a newbie and would be glad to have some help from the experts here !!
Regards,
Olivier,
France.
I would bring a portable computer, a lexicon omega soundcard and two ADK A-51 Microphones. I would also use Cubase to record. If the police comes, I would blame you!
I`ve read many good things about the Church CA-11 Cardioid mics. The price is quite nice and stated as bit better than the AT831 ( which is some cheaper).
The price is US$120.
Perhaps an alternative to a pair of mics?
Else we have various soundprofessional and core-sound mics.
As for the recorder, i`d go for the edirol r-09. Seems like that provide some nice features.
The price is US$120.
Perhaps an alternative to a pair of mics?
Else we have various soundprofessional and core-sound mics.
As for the recorder, i`d go for the edirol r-09. Seems like that provide some nice features.
Edirol R-09's are the best, IMO.
They can record up to 48/24, and support SDHC cards of any size (provided they have the proper firmware installed).
I've used it for 3 of the 4 concerts I bootlegged last year myself, as well as having a friend in Japan record a concert there, using the Edirol and my other equipment on a temporary loan basis, back in August.
Church Cardioids are good as well. An acquaintance I recently met up with, used those at the same Roger Waters concert I was at.
You can hear the matrixed version of our sources (mine using Sound Professionals) at:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8105
As well as the individual source versions:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8103 (his)
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8103 (mine)
Decide for yourself on what kind of sound you're going for, based on these two examples :)
They can record up to 48/24, and support SDHC cards of any size (provided they have the proper firmware installed).
I've used it for 3 of the 4 concerts I bootlegged last year myself, as well as having a friend in Japan record a concert there, using the Edirol and my other equipment on a temporary loan basis, back in August.
Church Cardioids are good as well. An acquaintance I recently met up with, used those at the same Roger Waters concert I was at.
You can hear the matrixed version of our sources (mine using Sound Professionals) at:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8105
As well as the individual source versions:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8103 (his)
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8103 (mine)
Decide for yourself on what kind of sound you're going for, based on these two examples :)
Y'all should listen to inu's advice. His concerts sound fantastic :)
Thanks for info inu-liger. I checked the two sites, but the files are too big to download.
However, is it really fair to compare cardiod and binaurals up against eachother?
Regarding recorder. Everybody says read there and here, but its not easy when everybody have different opinions. Many prefer the Marantz 620, others suggest the olympus LS-10 and others suggest Edirol R-09 ( but many think it have poor built quality and there are some jack issues). So, easy to get confused for a newbie.
However, is it really fair to compare cardiod and binaurals up against eachother?
Regarding recorder. Everybody says read there and here, but its not easy when everybody have different opinions. Many prefer the Marantz 620, others suggest the olympus LS-10 and others suggest Edirol R-09 ( but many think it have poor built quality and there are some jack issues). So, easy to get confused for a newbie.
What's the difference between 'binaural', 'cardioid' and 'monidirectional' mics?
What is reccomended to use for taping concerts?
What is reccomended to use for taping concerts?
Ok, my equipment that I used of a last few months to record / archive some local bands:
- Panasonic NV-GS320 (mini dv, 3 ccd)- this camcorder have AGC (automatic gain control of sound) so if sound is very loud, music will be probably distorted. Then we need some audio recorder to synch video with audio.
Panasonic is little maybe grainy in dark places but If someones don't like this then Sony HC96 will be also great.
Other camera that I sometimes use is old but great, mostly in close-ups, SONY DCR-TRV 820 from Digital 8 video format.
- audio recorded Zoom H2 - very cheep compared to Edirol and some others and also excellent. Last time I record in stereo 160min with cheep 2GB SD card (Transcend)in lossless quality (48kHz). Here I use two GP NiMH 2700mAh rechargeable batteries.
- if I stay close to 'soundspeakers' then also mic Nady CM-2S (cheeper then Audio-technica mic and compared by few peopole with alsmost the same sound) with some home made pad -10dB (or -20 if music is realy loud and when there's no chance to more reduce gain in Zoom)
PS:
Some my :P video shoots (sorry for quality in youtube, much much better of course on dvd) are here (I'm user LuckyGuy1982), this shoots don't present Zoom recorder but mostly show camera angles:
Panasonic examples
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=7sKW76_6Fl4
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8BYzxnjWo
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNIxS1wPEU (you will exactly hear worser sound cos I stay about 2meters from speakers and don't use any pad to mic)
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8HPGtYyM0
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7jGTH1eoE
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi8Eh8Ebx4U
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=MhuEeX9PjD0
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1_Y-fXLNU
Sony (digital 8) with Nady mic (-20dB pad) examples
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=lb76u-qsDZI
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=zd2JblOIYZA
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=zvIelV8HDnA
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=byg_cVvK87M
Cheers
Ps
Sorry for my language.
- Panasonic NV-GS320 (mini dv, 3 ccd)- this camcorder have AGC (automatic gain control of sound) so if sound is very loud, music will be probably distorted. Then we need some audio recorder to synch video with audio.
Panasonic is little maybe grainy in dark places but If someones don't like this then Sony HC96 will be also great.
Other camera that I sometimes use is old but great, mostly in close-ups, SONY DCR-TRV 820 from Digital 8 video format.
- audio recorded Zoom H2 - very cheep compared to Edirol and some others and also excellent. Last time I record in stereo 160min with cheep 2GB SD card (Transcend)in lossless quality (48kHz). Here I use two GP NiMH 2700mAh rechargeable batteries.
- if I stay close to 'soundspeakers' then also mic Nady CM-2S (cheeper then Audio-technica mic and compared by few peopole with alsmost the same sound) with some home made pad -10dB (or -20 if music is realy loud and when there's no chance to more reduce gain in Zoom)
PS:
Some my :P video shoots (sorry for quality in youtube, much much better of course on dvd) are here (I'm user LuckyGuy1982), this shoots don't present Zoom recorder but mostly show camera angles:
Panasonic examples
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=7sKW76_6Fl4
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=-w8BYzxnjWo
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNIxS1wPEU (you will exactly hear worser sound cos I stay about 2meters from speakers and don't use any pad to mic)
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8HPGtYyM0
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7jGTH1eoE
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi8Eh8Ebx4U
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=MhuEeX9PjD0
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1_Y-fXLNU
Sony (digital 8) with Nady mic (-20dB pad) examples
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=lb76u-qsDZI
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=zd2JblOIYZA
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=zvIelV8HDnA
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=byg_cVvK87M
Cheers
Ps
Sorry for my language.